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6D Sample Images / Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« on: December 14, 2012, 04:30:23 PM »
Finally got out to take an actual serious shot with my 6D.  This camera rocks for self-portraits!


Day 179: The self-portrait artist's dream by Area256, on Flickr

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EOS Bodies / Re: What will be the issue with the 6D
« on: December 14, 2012, 04:18:51 PM »
OK, I hesitate to post this because I don't want to be seen as one of those posters who seem to complain about everything. So, before I complain, (or make a suggestion to Canon) I will say I just came from a 20D to the 6D and I am happy as a pig in slop. I am also not a professional photographer and can go days without using my camera.

Here is my complaint. I wish Canon would have included an auto off for GPS or a physical switch to turn it on or off. Its been a couple of days since I've picked up my camera and last I saw it, the battery was at about 75%. Now its at 50%. Yes I know I can go through the menues to turn GPS off, but that is kind of a pain. I also know that most of you don't seem to care about GPS and will probably leave it off given the chance, but I think it's kind of cool to have and in fact want my pictures geo tagged.

To be clear, I love this camera but if Canon is listening, how about an auto off for GPS? I would rather have that, and have to wait a minute to acuire a lock than to pull my camera out and find the battery dead...(maybe thats the answer, Ill take the battery out every time I put the camera away)

I registered both WiFi and GPS to the "My Menu", that way I can access them quickly.  I've also gotten in the habit of checking the top LCD when I put my camera away.  It'd be nice to have an auto off feature, but I can live with it.

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: Massive Nikon D600+24-85VR Deal - $1996
« on: December 14, 2012, 11:56:15 AM »
Sounds like Nikon is getting really desperate ... usually manufacturers don't sell their brand new products at such incredibly low prices ... their sales must be really low. But good times for the buyers.

More likely they want to undercut the 6D as much as possible in the holiday rush.  People buying expensive gifts are less likely to know all about the strengths and weaknesses of the 6D and D600, and just notice the price and sales and ask can you take it out of the box and start shooting?  Seems like a good business move for Nikon to get more people onto their system.  Canon is doing much the same with their heavy discounts on the t4i, 60D, ect. 

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6D Sample Images / Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« on: December 14, 2012, 12:39:25 AM »
Just fooling around with the camera so far.  Will have better images once I have a bit more time to actually put in some effort into getting good shots.


Day 176: Farewell 60D by Area256, on Flickr


Day 174: The lens cap shot by Area256, on Flickr

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are you really serious about 6D?
« on: December 14, 2012, 12:17:46 AM »
This thread tracks the usual dissatisfactions:
1) Why would anyone be interested in a camera that I'm not interested in?
2) If a camera doesn't meet my personal needs, then it is a "crippled" camera.
3) Whatever features a camera has, it should have had some feature(s) of the next more expensive model, but without the added cost.
4) If a camera has features I don't need, but can easily be turned off or ignored, I must still complain as if they can't possibly be useful to anyone.
5) If they don't offer the specific camera that I want at this moment, within my present budget, then the company is headed in the wrong direction.
7) If DxO thinks my brand's sensor is inferior, then it must be inferior and I must complain about it and/or switch brands.
 ;)

+1 You see these things happen in politics and news paper comments as well. Usually in the form of: "I don't use health care/public transit/public schools/social service xyz, so why should my tax $ pay for them? but social service abc was awful last time I used it, it should be funded better!"  Classic, "the world should be build for me, and me only" syndrome ;)

I like my 6D, it does everything I need in a camera, and saves me some money for more good glass.  If it's not good enough for some, that's fine, there is the 5D3/1Dx and cameras from Nikon/Sony/ect that may work better for them.

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Lenses / Re: Which (if any) non-L lenses are enviro-sealed?
« on: December 13, 2012, 11:18:05 PM »
anyone know how the sealing is on the 6D? I have heard the 5dII is so-so, but it was a more "pro" cam than the 6d is intended

I can't compare it to the 5D3 since I don't own one.  However I can say it is more sealed than the 60D.  The battery and memory card doors have foam pads in some places, and close together more tightly than those of the 60D.  The port covers also fit better, and seem to be shaped to help keep water out.  And judging by the feel of the buttons, I would guess there is a rubber component going back into the body on all of them.

I think it'll do a good job of keeping dust out, and some light splashes aren't likely to be a problem. However I'm not sure it would stand up to prolonged exposure to water (i.e. being shot in heavy rain).  Although this is mostly speculation based on looking at it... I could be totally wrong, have to wait until I get caught in the rain without a bag to be sure ;)

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Lenses / Re: Canon EF 50 f/1.4 IS in 2013 [CR2]
« on: December 12, 2012, 03:39:56 PM »
this will be a great lens but the price... you even get the mighty 100mm 2.8 !L! lens for less. 50mm lenses have a simple construction and shouldn't be that pricy :(

Simple economics, if you have a unique product you can charge more for it.   For example, who else has an optically stabilized 35mm f/2 lens?  That's why they can change $800 for it - if you need it, you have to get it from Canon.   Also I can't imagine making a f/1.4 with IS is going to be cheap, or at the very least it would have cost a lot of money R&D wise to produce.

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Lenses / Re: Canon EF 50 f/1.4 IS in 2013 [CR2]
« on: December 12, 2012, 03:29:03 PM »
I'm a bit skeptical despite of the CR2 rating. The fastest Canon with IS is the EF 200/2.0L IS. I don't know if any other manufacturer has a faster lens with IS, but I suspect not. It would be a major leap to get IS to a f/1.4 lens.

I'm more inclined to believe an EF 50/1.4 II.

The EF 35mm f/2.0 IS - a fast, small f/2.0 image stabilized prime.  It sounds like they have been working up to this.  Also it looks like Canon wants to differentiate it's primes with IS, just look at the last three it released.  It would be a huge advance in lens tech to get it working at f/1.4, but that is kind of what Canon does.

I love the idea, although I'm more likely to get the 35mm f/2 IS.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Top Focus Point Light Bleeding Issue
« on: December 12, 2012, 03:20:24 PM »
Mine has it too.  I noticed it on the first day, and then promptly forgot about it.  It's hardly a bit deal.  The camera won't meter when the lights are on, so it isn't likely to effect anything.

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Lenses / Re: EF 24-70 F/2.8L II USM on 7D
« on: December 11, 2012, 11:25:20 PM »
IQ wise it'll be a fine lens on a 7D.

Focal range wise (as most are saying) it'll be weird at best and annoying at worst. Or maybe I just have a stronger opinion about this than most people. But I found the 24-70mm to be very frustrating on my 7D. It is this strange 38.5-112mm range that almost makes it not usable for it's designed purpose. I guess you have the 10-22mm to give you the UWA/WA shots, but it seems it would force you to change lenses a lot.

I'd recommend the EF-S 17-55mm or EF 16-35mm (25.6-56mm) if you have FF plans farther down the road.

+1 I used the 24-105mm on a 60D for a while, and also had the 10-22mm - and I found myself changing lenses a lot, and carrying them both around all the time.  The 16-35mm, or even the 17-40mm would seem to make for a better crop camera lens (if you want to leave the full frame option open).

Of course a lot depends on what you shoot.  If you want to have access to the longer range, and don't care much about having the wide angle, the 24-70 could work well..

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 6D Experience
« on: December 11, 2012, 07:30:23 PM »
The sample images Canon released don't look exactly sharp, I don't know if it's due to the lack of sharpening or if it's just me, but can anybody comment on that or perhaps post a full-res jpg?


The digital picture did some tests of this: here

With the right lens, in RAW, the images are basically the same as the 5DII upto the Nyquist limit of the sensor (which is a little less because it's *only* 20MP).

However the jpegs can be a little soft at higher ISOs, turn the NR off, or shoot RAW if you don't like that.

Also the lens has a huge impact.  My 100mm f/2.8L is stupid sharp. My 24-105mm, less sharp.  However there is more detail in the images shot on a full-frame.

For DR, I'm waiting for LR to update so I can really push it, however out of the box you won't notice any more since Canon seems to be using the same tone curve - which makes sense, too much DR in the tone curve and you get flat images.

I don't have anything especially great to post yet, but the images I'm getting are clearly better than the ones on my 60D in terms of the amount of detail they resolve, the amount of noise, and I think the colour depth as well.

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if you wanna take photos it is a great camera....  if you want images of lens targets etc.. who know or cares...

+1 I end up looking at the tests anyway, but in the end I like to take pictures, and it's a great camera for that.

WIFI FEATURE ;-)

+1 This feature just awesome for some applications.  I used to have really complex setup to do self portraits, and I'd frequently give up on getting the focus to work and shoot at f/8.  Now I can put the focus right on my eyes with ease.

I set the camera to a 2 second timer.  Use the phone to focus and make sure my location is good.  Press the shutter button on the phone, and keeping my head in place, slide the phone out of view - and 2 seconds later bang!  perfectly focused self-portrait on a f/1.4 lens.  It's almost cheating...

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I have a 60D and have got very fluid with it, altho the 9 AF points all correspond to a spot on the D-pad. 11 Is going to be interesting to choose with a D-pad.

Overall I like the control layout of the 6D a lot better than the 60D, although it takes a bit of getting used to - I've had it for a week, and I'm still pressing the wrong buttons out of habit.  However when it comes to AF point selection it's just not as good.  The 60D was really fast with the D-pad + set button.  The 6D doesn't work like that.  You have to "scroll" through the points, and the diagonal buttons are almost pointless, since you normally hit one of the other directions instead. 

Since this is a positive list though, the way the zoom button works is awesome.  You can set it to default to any zoom level you want, and with one press check your focus.  Way faster then the 60D move your thumb all over the place dance.

Other button notes: the buttons have a nicer "feel" to them.  They feel a little more real, like you are actually pressing something.  Although on the D-pad this seems to have made the diagonals impossible to hit as noted above.   The DOF preview button while still in a bad location, feels much nicer.

And switching to movie mode no longer takes a stupid amount of turning.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Only 1 lens
« on: December 10, 2012, 11:15:53 PM »
If I could only have one lens, and cost wasn't an issue, I would chose the 24-105L.  Second to that if I really wanted the zoom, I would get the "EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM", it sells new for about $420, I'm sure it would be a lot less used if you can find one.

If cost is a major issue I'd take the 40mm f/2.8.   In fact I often just walk around with that lens since it's so nice and light.  The 50mm f/1.8 is also a good option.

Also if you sell the 580ex, you should be able to pick up a knock off flash for around $80.

To drop the 5D2 for something else would be a hard thing to do. However, if it needs to be done, you can get older used rebels with kit lenses (like a t2i/t3i) for very cheap now days - and they can still take great pictures.

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3. Thinking of moving objects(my daughter), I set my camera to AI SERVO, turned off IS and snapped away.  How would the focus on the 6D compare to this type of situation?  I would hope it would be better?  BTW, this was manually pressing the shutter button, not using burst.

5. Is using LR to clean up noise an acceptable practice?  Does anybody really care if they like the picture?  Most people that look at my photos(all but one really) don't even notice things like bad shadows, noise, sharpness, etc..

7.  Again, the sharpness in my images are also improved in LR.  And again, I ask, is it acceptable practice to use PP for things like this? 

8.  Without LR, I wouldn't be able to get the images I want.  Sad but true.  LR has allowed me to achieve the pictures I want.

9.  I noticed someone mention the 6D will easily beat out the 7D in low light.  Thinking about that, I like to take pictures without flash whenever I can.  I like the natural lighting better.  I think the 6D is much better for this scenario.


3. Likely worse.  The 7D has more points and more cross type points with better spread.  However, the 6D can be "tuned" for different types of action like the 5D3, this make make it a little better in some cases.  I have yet to see a real world test between the two for tacking - mostly because that's hard to measure.  However the 7D is a sports camera, the 6D is a landscape/portrait camera, so it's safe to bet the 7D will outperform in tracking.

5. 7. 8. In my opinion it is absolutely acceptable to process things like noise, sharpness, colour, exposure, local adjustments, ect. in LR - and you shouldn't feel "bad" about needing to do it.  What matters is the final product.  Think about it this way: when we had film you would chose your type of film to get different looks, use colour filters to change the colour balance, doge and burn to lighten up or darken parts of the image.  There were even ways to change saturation, crop, do HDR, and much more.  All the best photographers of the time did that.  Ansel Adams did that.  So don't feel like you can't use a bit of LR. 

Another way to look at it: The jpeg engine applies contrast, sharpness, NR, tone curves, etc to your image. Why not take control of that process in LR?  If you don't like the jpegs, that's not necessarily because you are bad, just that the jpeg engine don't produce look you want.

This doesn't mean take crappy pictures and try to save them LR, you should always strive to get the best exposures and lighting you can. However to argue that you shouldn't touch them after that is silly, just like it was in the days of film.

9. Yes the 6D will work better in low light, period.  However I would recommend looking at off-camera lighting.  A lot of people who say "I like the natural lighting better.", do so because they have only used the flash on their camera - and on-axis hard light almost always looks awful.  However, put a flash in an umbrella off to the side, and you'll get great results. 

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The bottom line for you I think is this: The 6D will give you better IQ in low light and good light. However it may not track as well as the 7D.  The 5D3 will do both very well, but will cost a lot more, and leave you without as much money for lenses.  That's a really hard choice to make.  I don't shoot enough action to make the 5D3 worth it for me, so I got the 6D and will get myself the 135mm f/2L (a sweet lens) with the extra money.

One way to decide is just to play with a 6D in a store.  Bring someone to run around, and try taking pictures of them, if it does a good enough job, get it.  If not, well you're stuck with the 7D or 5D3.

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