I want a FF G12, and a FF PowerShot
I'm waiting for a PowerShot that will replace my 4x5 view camera. I'm sure that Canon has the technology to make a camera that is smaller than the sensor.
I want a FF G12, and a FF PowerShot
... while they might produce a $65,000 FF video camera like the Red, ...
They are in SERIOUS danger of blowing the high quality mini movie camera market to Sony, by milking current line so long and protecting 1 series etc they may protect and milk themselves right out of the market and lose a lot more in the end! That said, at this point they may be stuck because of the earthquake, but that is why they should not have rested in their laurels so much earlier.
I can see that Canon is paranoid that raising the bar with the 5D MkIII too high may poach sales of the 1D series, but the questions they should be asking themselves are where are Nikon going with the D800 and what will Sony next move with full frame be?
Surprised to hear about a new 135/2. I assume they're thinking of adding IS? I can't see any way to improve this gem. My absolute favorite lens.
totally agree on the big-sensor compacts blindness
Canon has been pretty watertight recently, with few leaks of any substance until days before the official announcement. I'm guessing that when the 1Ds Mk4 is annouced it wil all start to happen very quickly.
It's a shame that EF-S has been relagated as there are still so many holes in the lineup. Apart from the 17-55mm f/2.8, the 60mm f/2.8 Macro and the recent 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6, there are no other lenses for serious users. I'd have to agree that what Thom Hogan says about the Nikon DX lineup (http://www.bythom.com/state2010.htm) applies equally (if not more so) to Canon. Yes, there are FF lenses that fill some gaps, but many of these are old and a bit sub-par (e.g. the non-L primes in the 28-35mm range) and using others leaves you with a camera bag that is heavy, expensive and a bit long for many people (e.g. the 70-200mm Ls). I guess that there are third party options, but a company with Canon's market share shouldn't need to rely on Sigma and Tamron to prop up its lens lineup.
So, lets give Canon a break and write EF-S off for a year (as it's a full frame camera refresh year); may I suggeat that in 2012-3, Canon fill out some of my wishlist:
Budget - Sub $250:
EF-S 30mm f/1.8 USM (priced at under $250 -Nikon can do it, why can't Canon?!)
Mid-range - $250-$499
EF-S 15mm f/2.8 USM (wide angle was what EF-S was designed for)
EF-S 22mm f/2 USM (nice compact lens/body combo for street photographers)
EF-S 50-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM (EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 USM IS replacement for those who can't afford the L).
High-end - over $500
EF-S 50-135mm f/2.8 IS USM WS (weathersealed ala Pentax -to complement the 7D Mk2)
EF-S 15-50mm f/2.8 IS USM WS (weathersealed to complement the 7D Mk2)
EF-S 8-15mm f/? (not sure for f/4 size/weight, or f/2.8 for available light?)
In addition, I think that Canon should re-focus its crop sensor lineup to offer smaller cameras to go with these smaller lenses; the 7D is great, but (IMHO) it would be even better if it were the size of the Pentax K5.
Would this mean that some people might stay APS-C rather than go full frame? Possibly, but I think that this would be more than offset by the people who would choose the Canon system and those that are currently forced to buy third party lenses.
The EF-S line of lenses are not high on the list of priorities at Canon.
â€œLâ€ lenses and the development of them are whats needed to get the most out of the 18mp crop sensors.
Hehehe... Sounds like a line from a full-frame enthusiast and L-snob Someone who obviously doesn't understand business. Canon makes good money on their crop gear. Furthermore, if you want to get the most out of your 18 mpix crop sensor then EF-S lenses like 17-55 and 15-85 are the way to go. Why struggle with full-frame ultrawides thast have limited focal length range and/or aperture.
This is CR -10, folks.
As enthusiasts we often lose sight of the fact that the market for cameras is far larger and more diverse than our little corner.
After reading the posts, I have the following thought:
1. In order to complete with the DSLR, the auto focusing speed of the EVIL must be as fast as the DSLR.Quote
Why do you think that a Mirrorless needs to compete with a DSLR There are an awful lot of people who are not interested with carrying a large, heavy DSLR when going on a family outing. But want something better than a P&S.Quote2. Overall size is important ... needs to have its own set of lens to make the size to be small to lure people from their DSLR.
No need to lure away from a DSLR ... many people will own both. And some P&S owners with buy them who aren't interested in Big & Heavy DSLRs. Two different groups to sell to.Quote3. ... FF in EVIL is almost a dream ...
Sounds more like a nightmare. If people wanted oversized cameras Olympus, Panasonic and Ricoh wouldn't be selling all the cameras that they do.Quote3. Marketing pressure/ user perference. Due to the lower demand, the sales volume of EVIL will be quite a bit smaller than the DSLR. So in order to get the R & D and tooling expense back, the EVIL (body and lenses)will be selling a lot higher than the DSLR at the same performance level. So how many people will buy an EVIL instead of a DSLR???
P&S cameras out sell DSLRs because there are many people who don't want or need a DSLR. Mirrorless cameras will sell to people moving-up from a P&S you don't want the size and weight of a DSLR and don't need image quality of a DSLR. How many of your acquaintance s print their snapshots at 20x30Quote4. What is the advantange of EVIL over the DSLR beside size???
For many people that is enough. Mico 4/3 cameras sell well because of their size and good enough quality. BTW why don't you own a 60 MP + MFD, much better quality than a DSLRQuote5. my personal choice of mirrorless is down to two. 1. Leica M9. It combined the best of classic interchangeable lens range finder and the digital. Too bad at $8000 body only is too steep for me, even I have some Leica lenses from my M4. 2. FujiFilm X100, I look at it as a high tech M9 with a fixed lens.
I think I'll go with a Panasonic GF2 with a 20mm f1.7 lens. YMMV
Quotethey are not going to risk cannibalizing sales of any of their SLRs...They won't any more than the current situation, if someone wants a mirror-less camera they will get one,
if they were not going to buy my(if I were Canon) dslr I'd want the customer to buy my mirror-less vs. the other guys.