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EOS Bodies / Re: Mirrorless Update - APS-C? [CR2]
« on: July 12, 2012, 04:36:55 PM »

See, that's where I  don't get it; my wife's 4s is the *only* half way 'keepable' phone camera but it is nothing compared to any of canon's entry-level IS cameras.

Most people don't care about quality!!! All they ever do with their photos is post them on FaceSpace. They don't even make 4x6 prints. For these Non-Photo-Enthusiasts a camera phone makes more sense than a Real Camera, 'cause they can post to Social Sites directly from their Smart Phone (no computer needed).

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The SX40IS type cameras are super light and get great IQ for the price ...

But you can't make a phone call on them or post to directly to SpaceFace ;)

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We're pretty sure this camera's price isn't going to be cheap and nothing is going to be revolutionary on it . . .

I'm not looking for a cheap price! I'm looking for a small/light camera and I'm willing to pay a reasonable amount of money to get it. The M4/3 Olympus OM-D E-M5 sells for $999.00 and there is a waiting list to get them, so it's not just me wanting this type of small/light camera.


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EOS Bodies / Re: Mirrorless Update - APS-C? [CR2]
« on: July 12, 2012, 01:45:15 PM »

Someone help me out here :)  I can't see what's wrong with the current (and possibly future) lineup of SLRs and P&S cameras.

Thanks

There are some of us who think that DSLR bodies have grown too large. We don't want to lug around a 2.5 lb Pro Body DSLR or a 2+ lb DSLR.  My 16.2Mp Sony NEX 5n (APS-C, 1.5 crop) weighs 7.4 Oz. A 24Mp NEX 7 (APS-C, 1.5 crop) weighs 9.3 Oz. Are you starting to get the picture ??? Small light weight cameras that produce high quality files are what we want. The Sony NEX and Olympus OM-D E-M5 (15 Oz) are what many photographers want/need. These cameras may look like toys to you, but they are producing magazine covers and advertising photos. Hopefully the upcoming Canon Mirrorless with be good enough to join the party.

BTW there will be no future P&S cameras, they will be replaced by smart phones :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Mirrorless Update - APS-C? [CR2]
« on: July 12, 2012, 12:34:55 PM »

im not sure if "pocketable" is a concern for canon when it comes to the new mirrorless camera.
APS-C is not the way to go then. the body can be small but as you see on NEX.. the lenses are not.

they will sure try to make it smaller then the SX1... but i would not be suprised when it resembles a bridge/DSLR look.

The only M4/3 camera that I'd buy is the Olympus OM-D E-M5, it's 4.8 inch (W) x 3.5 inch (H) x 1.7 inch (D) and weighs 15 Oz with battery and memory card. Not what I'd call a small pocketable camera. Add to that a lens length of 1.7" to 2.9" (12mm f/2.0 and 75mm f/1.8 ) and they won't even fit in the pocket of Cargo Shorts :) My Sony NEX 5n (APS-C) isn't really pocketable, even with the 16mm f/2.8 pancake lens.

If I need a pocketable camera, I use my iPod Touch 4G :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Mirrorless Update - APS-C? [CR2]
« on: July 12, 2012, 12:06:12 PM »
Please, please, please no fugly faux retro rangefinder look! No Hybrid viewfinder needed, just a high quality EVF.

Also it would be nice to have Body Only or Body plus EF Adapter as an option.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Mirrorless Information [CR1]
« on: July 03, 2012, 02:57:11 PM »
Not many people would buy a rangefinder or hybrid.

Obviously many would buy a mirrorless camera though right? Afterall, Isnt this what the threads about?

You are the one who brougth-up the Leica rangefinder cameras ... not me :) I was just trying to get the tread back-on-track :)  :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Mirrorless Information [CR1]
« on: July 03, 2012, 01:27:49 PM »
Canon should go after the Leica market with its mirrorless design.

At one time Leica was the pro camera of choice, Canon and Nikon also built rangefinders. But all that changed when the Nikon F arrived. Pros abandoned the rangefinder and went with SLRs. Canon switched to building SLRs, Leica added an SLR to their line-up. Time marches on!.

Not many people would buy a rangefinder or hybrid.


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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Mirrorless Information [CR1]
« on: July 03, 2012, 01:08:36 PM »

I think it is important to remember what the value proposition of a mirrorless camera is, namely size and price (okay, in some cases only size as you do get cheaper DSLRs than some mirrorless cameras).


It's obvious that you are not paying attention to what is happening with Mu-43 cameras.

1. Olympus has  a 12mm f/2.0 (=24mm) that sell for $799.00  http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/805167-REG/Olympus_V311020SU000_M_Zuiko_Digital_ED.html and just started shipping a 75mm (=150mm) f/1.8 priced at $899.00  http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=olympus+75mm+f%2F1.8&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma  Here are some 75mm f/1.8 test shots, from Robin Wong, Day  http://robinwong.blogspot.com/2012/07/olympus-mzuiko-75mm-f18-review-street.html  and Night  http://robinwong.blogspot.com/2012/07/olympus-mzuiko-75mm-f18-review-night.html

2. Schneider-Kreuznach has announced a 14mm f/2.0 Super Angelon for Mu-43  http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.photoscala.de%2F&sl=de&tl=en  Target price is less than 1500 €. They will show the lens at Photokina. They will also be announcing two more lenses.

Seems to me that the value proposition is size only, unless you consider the above mentioned lenses to be bargain basement priced. Hopefully Canon will release something that can compete in this market.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Mirrorless Information [CR1]
« on: July 02, 2012, 06:30:18 PM »
At my local Best Buy (in between Calumet, Adorama & B&H), ... and barely even a Sony Nex presence.

I'll pass.

The lack of Sony cameras at Camera Stores is the result of all the Sony Style stores. No-one wants to compete with a factory store :(

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Mirrorless Information [CR1]
« on: July 02, 2012, 06:14:09 PM »

...or, you could mount a Shorty McForty to a 5DIII and get a rich man's chunky X2....

b&

Isn't Shorty McForty the name of a porn actor ???

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Mirrorless Information [CR1]
« on: July 02, 2012, 06:10:12 PM »
If it is, it looks like one won't be able to mount Leica M compatible lenses on those camera...

Raoul

Yes, it looks like the Canon mirrorless will be much thicker than a Sony NEX.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Successors [CR1]
« on: June 30, 2012, 01:47:11 AM »

Just giving you the shareholder perspective, which for a publicly-held company is the most important consideration.

Let me re-word it. Prosumer is just a cynical marketing ploy to enrich Canon shareholders. This cynical ploy isn't used by Nikon, another publicly traded company. ;) Maybe Nikon shareholders are already rich enough ;)  ;)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Successors [CR1]
« on: June 30, 2012, 01:33:39 AM »
You read these specs from Nikon too literally.

Have you ever actually compared these Nikon cameras side by side for their so called 'pro grade' AF and metering??  Go do that with the same glass side by side ... You will be "amazed" by the differences...

Yes I have. I know fellow pros who use Nikon DSLRs, and I've played with them. I now own a Nikon F100 FFFilm (Full-Frame-Film) camera, and I prefer the metering and focus to my Canon cameras. I've used a 5D3, and it's a great camera, but I think that I've already bought my last Canon DSLR. I'll be replacing my DSLRs at the end of the year. What is announced at Photokina will help me make my decision, stick with Canon or go with Nikon or maybe Sony. Or perhaps buying Mu43, and renting MFD when I need the higher pixel count. Decisions, decisions ... :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Successors [CR1]
« on: June 29, 2012, 03:01:41 PM »
PROSUMER is just a cynical marketing ploy to sell slightly upgraded Rebels for more money. By calling these cameras prosumer they make the buyers feel special.

Nikon doesn't sell prosumer cameras, just consumer and pro. The Nikon D300S DX (APS-C)  has the same focusing and metering as the FX (Full Frame) D3s. While neither the POS 60D or the EOS 7D have pro level focusing or metering. WTF is wrong with Canon ???



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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Mirrorless Entry
« on: June 20, 2012, 01:25:55 PM »
One advantage Canon has over most others is their amazing EF and EF-S lens selection. 

This amazing lens selection is the reason I've switched my FFFilm cameras for Canon to Nikon. And when I replace my DSLRs at the end of the year, I doubt it will be with new Canon DSLRs.

I'm waiting to see the Canon Mirrorless, before I decide what mirrorless system to buy into. The Olympus E-M5 has great IQ and a selection of lenses that get better day. Schneider has announce that they will make their ultra high quality lenses in M43 mount. The main problem with the E-M5 is the Fugly Retro Design -- hope Canon can do better.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 4 More DSLRs Coming in 2012? [CR2]
« on: June 13, 2012, 07:16:29 PM »

And an entry-level full-frame is where you hook your high ticket buyers. You go full-frame, you start buying L glass...


Why would Low Budget full frame buyers buy High-Dollar L-glass? Seems likely they would buy a 5D3 if they had L-glass money. It's much more likely that Low Budget Buyers will buy the Low Cost 24mm f/2.8, 28mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.8, 50mm f/1.8 and the 85mm f/1.8. Or variable f/stop zoomz.

BTW, Nikon has much more friendly prices on their mid-range lenses. Their 28mm f/1.8 costs less than the Canon 28mm f/2.8 fore instance.

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