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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark II Replacement
« on: October 15, 2010, 08:53:48 PM »
Nikon only builds consumer cameras and pro cameras. There isn't much difference between their pro models for things like weather sealing, metering and auto focus. The top of line D3x - 51 focus points (including 15 cross-type sensors); AF fine tuning possible and the bottom of the pro line D300s - 51 focus points (including 15 cross-type sensors); AF fine tuning possible. Canon would never do this, they worry about cannibalizing sales. And this is why a 7D will never be as good as a D400.

I think the reality is more nuanced than you admit.  I don't see Canon ever having the rather x0D-ish "prosumer" tag to the 7D.  The USA website's page for the 7D marks it for "serious photographers and semi-professionals."  They want to have an APS-C camera for professionals, not just because APS-C chips are cheaper, but because the format offers extra reach with lenses.  Somebody with a 5D or 1D series body may carry a 7D around as a second body, and Canon doesn't want to punish them for their purchase.  The x0D line has been repositioned from semiprofessional or "prosumer" to "advanced amateur," though I don't see tons of changes myself, aside from the addition of a lot of new features and less emphasis on the old points that were thought to constitute a "pro" camera but which weren't adding new functionality (i.e. the magnesium alloy body) or advertising bullet points.

Other than that, I don't see your autofocus comparison providing your argument much support.  Number of AF points has seemed to be going in Nikon's direction for a while - compare the D7000 and the Canon 60D, for example; the number and types of AF points was seen as a point in the D7000's favor there.

The comparison is very simple.

The APS-C Canon 7D "19-point all cross-type AF (f/2.8 at center: Dual Cross Sensor)." The Canon 1D IV "All 45 AF points are horizontal-line sensitive at f/5.6 (vertical). Thirty-nine of the 45 AF points are vertical-line sensitive at f/2.8 for cross-type focusing."

The Canon 7D does not use the same focusing as the Canon 1D IV.

The 5D II "9 AF Points (1 Cross Type) + 6 AF Assist Points." The 1Ds III "45-point (19 high-precision cross-type AF points plus 26 Assist AF points)"

The Canon 5D II doesn't use the same focusing as the 1Ds III.

On the Nikon side the APS-C D300s, the full frame D700,  full frame D3s and the $8000.00 full frame D3x all use the same 51 point focusing.

What's so hard to understand? Canon down grades the focusing for their lower cost cameras, Nikon doesn't. Simple as that!

The above may make little or no difference to you. Many 5D II shooters only use the center focus point.

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark II Replacement
« on: October 15, 2010, 04:29:08 PM »
I seriously doubt the 5D III's body will be reduced in terms of build quality.  It's just below the top tier 1D (still an xD).  I don't think it would make sense for them to only have 1 2 professional cameras that had a tough build (1D, 1Ds).  Especially when they decided not too long ago to make the 7D tough.

Perhaps they are pushing the xxD cameras' standard down a notch to make room for xD cameras.  The 7D is a great value, especially when compared to the 1D iv and company.

Canon and Nikon have two different philosophies on camera models/lines.

Canon builds consumer cameras, pro-sumer (WTF does that mean) cameras and professional cameras. The Rebel line and the xxD line were differentiated by build quality and a few extra features. The 5D line was a full frame xxD (no pro features). The 7D is a half step toward being a pro line except they have limited auto focus, etc, because Canon didn't want the 7D eating into 1D IV sales. Then we have the 1D and 1Ds lines with all the pro bells and whistles.         

From Canon's recent actions I think the 5D III will be down graded, just like the 60D. This leaves room for a 7D like full frame (lets call it a 3D ;D) that will sell for more than the 5D II.

Nikon only builds consumer cameras and pro cameras. There isn't much difference between their pro models for things like weather sealing, metering and auto focus. The top of line D3x - 51 focus points (including 15 cross-type sensors); AF fine tuning possible and the bottom of the pro line D300s - 51 focus points (including 15 cross-type sensors); AF fine tuning possible. Canon would never do this, they worry about cannibalizing sales. And this is why a 7D will never be as good as a D400.

BTW this doesn't mean Canon cameras are bad, just that they are different from Nikon.

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark II Replacement
« on: October 15, 2010, 12:19:34 PM »
Upgrade to 40D focussing?  I think that's a downgrade!

5D II:
9 AF Points (1 Cross Type) + 6 AF Assist Points

9 (Cross-type)

9 cross type vs 1 cross type. Going to 9 from 1 sounds like an upgrade to me.

This is a pro grade body so I don't foresee a move away from the current alloy shell type.

Everybody thought that the 60D body would have stayed magnesium, but it didn't! I think that Canon will turn the 5D III into a full frame Rebel to increase 1Ds sales.

I think Nikon dropped the ball with the D3 & the D700, it's 12MP sensor is not really comparable with Canons, ...

Lots of magazine covers being shot with the D300/D300s/D3/D3s, advertising too. Lots of black lenses at the Olympics, World Cup, etc. Many pros don't agree with you.

...the only reason they have remained a viable player in the market has been the support of older reviewers who have been Nikon fans since they were top of the roost in the days of film, and have a soft spot for them.

Pros don't make equipment choices based on reviews in consumers magazines or web site reviews.

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark II Replacement
« on: October 14, 2010, 11:20:57 PM »
My guess on the 5D III. Upgrade to 40D focusing, downgrade to 60D body, video stays about the same, upgraded sound.

The big sales points will be the excess megapixels and the tilting screen from the 60D.

Lenses / Re: TS-E 90 Replacement?
« on: October 11, 2010, 09:15:59 PM »
Maybe Canon is paying attention. The newish Nikon PC-E 85 has a few important features that the Canon TS-E 90 lacks.

The present non-L TS-E 90 may be Canon's sharpest lens, so I don't expect the "L" treatment to make it a better lens, just a more expensive lens.

EOS Bodies / Re: Lenses in 2011 [CR2]
« on: October 11, 2010, 01:32:12 PM »
It's been 4 years since I've used a lens longer than 85mm, so I couldn't care less about Big Whites.

The only zoom I use is the EF-S 10-22. Don't use any zoom on full frame.

Where are the Canon equivalents to the 10.5 DX and 35 1.8 DX? The Nikon FX 24 1.4 , 35 1.4, 50 1.4 and 85 1.4 are really excellent, Canon has some catching-up to do. Canon has never had anything like the 105 2.0DC and 135 2.0 DC lenses, why not?

i won't be selling my Canon stuff, but everything new will be Nikon. Nikon seems to be listening to me, and Canon isn't, simple as that.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon & Nikon Flagships in 2011
« on: September 25, 2010, 03:21:05 PM »

So we must ask who would benefit from a full frame camera with a sensor resolution in the 40 MP+ range? Landscape photographers generally stop down for greater depth of field and so would encounter diffraction limitation.  Sports and wildlife photographers need fast shutter speeds and so would appreciate a sensor with a higher signal to noise ratio.  So that leaves portrait /event photographers who can't afford a medium format camera.  With the new budget entrants into the medium format market, Canon and Nikon will find that there is even greater pressure on the prices they can charge for their flagship camera.

Many Photojournalists use CaNikon Pro Bodies. Many Editorial photographers use CaNikon Pro Bodies. Many Advertising shooters use CaNikon Pro Bodies. Why aren't they part of your list???

BTW Diffraction Limitations are a bigger deal to Pixel Peeper than it is to Pro Photographers.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon & Nikon Flagships in 2011
« on: September 25, 2010, 02:56:28 PM »
A 28-32mpx successor to the 5D sounds as it could really happen but not for the D700 and if nikon would release such camera it probably be more of something like a D3x "light".

Using your logic Nikon didn't just release the Nikon D7000. D7000 has more megapixels at a lower cost than a D300s so it really didn't happen.

5D III vs D400. If the 5D III is still just a full frame Rebel, Nikon will eat their lunch with a higher megapixel D700 replacement.

EOS Bodies / Re: Photokina 2010 Report
« on: September 24, 2010, 10:34:10 PM »

It's been done with an iPhone.  Of course, keep in mind that in addition to a 3 megapixel cell phone camera, the shoot used thousands of dollars worth of lighting gear and relied heavily on post-processing.

There have been many iPhone photos and videos posted on the net, Chase Jarvis has been shooting with an iPhone for quite a while - he even has had a book published of his iPhone photos.

What I was thinking of was the next Terry Richardson using a camera phone, something like a 12 megapixel Nokia N8, with a 5.4mm Zeiss lens and Xenon flash. A serious camera, not a toy  ;D

In the 1990s Terry Richardson was shooting editorial fashion with a Yashica T4 P&S film camera. In the 2010s someone will get a Vogue cover using a phone.

EOS Bodies / Re: Photokina 2010 Report
« on: September 24, 2010, 01:12:21 PM »
..., I can't help but think there's nothing concrete to MF's credit over 35mm, ...  well enough to do much more than keep pace with 35mm cameras in terms of image quality, let alone in features.

What CaNikon has a 53.9x40.4 mm 60.5mp sensor ?

...(I'm sure I'm showing off my MF ignorance a fair deal here; I'm trying to be balanced, but I've seen and heard enough to be fairly certain that MF systems are years behind 35mm ones, in specifics and in general.)

Many times the focus sensor isn't where you want it to be, so you focus and recompose. The problem is that after you have focused on the eye and recomposed the focus is off slightly. Well the Hasselblad True Focus refines the focus using a yaw sensor. Read about it here http://www.hasselbladusa.com/promotions/apl.aspx Does CaNikon have anything like this?

We can talk about studio photographers, but a 35mm camera gives somebody an edge in freedom of motion.

Ever shoot with a medium format camera? I prefer a Medium Format over a CaNikon Pro Body (with built-in grip). I find them more ergonomic. But a 5D or D700 is better than both.

I think the evidence is pretty clear that DSLRs have cut the knees out from under the MF market, and now they're working on the stumps.

A lot of Pros disagree with you. MFD sales are good.

A $3K premium for no apparent benefit in functionality ... furthermore don't really seem to provide knockout quality (on average) compared to 35mm format with all the new bells and whistles, doesn't seem a good overall investment to me ...

Once again, have you ever used a MFD? If you haven't how do you know that your statements are true? BTW the wants/needs vary from photographer and many Pros think MFD is a good investment YMMV.

Simple economic sense would seem to validate your claim that this pressure - and expanded options - is good for the market, but consider:  MF buyers recently seem to have been faced (from what I gather) with the most uncertain future  ...Who wants to buy into MF when it's uncertain that the manufacturer will survive from this year to the next?

Fuji owns Hasselblad and isn't going anywhere. BTW Fuji released a MF Film camera last year, an it is selling well. Phase One owns Mamiya and Leaf, it isn't going anywhere either.

BTW Leica has their new S2, so I guess they think the MFD market will survive. And Pentax announced at Photokina that the 645D will be available worldwide.

... In some ways it seems like a continuation of the split between point and shoot 35mm cameras and SLRs from some years ago; a 35mm SLR never really could be underspecced compared to a point-and-shoot ...

Terry Richardson and Juergen Teller made their reputations using Film P&S cameras. Nothing wrong with a P&S if you have something to say and talent.

But now even 35mm format cameras are fighting to stay relevant when even point-and-shoot cameras can have sophisticated movie modes and other features - cell phones are following quickly.  ...  This is pretty good compared to most MF systems where your next upgrade will be never, because the manufacturers have closed up shop.

Sorry for the extreme length of the post, and for anything unfair I said.

Yes the market is changing, and someone will become famous shooting advertising campaigns with a phone. But large companies like Kodak and Dalsa continue to develop MF sensors for use by MFD manufactures. MFD isn't going away anytime soon!

BTW Hobbyists,Wedding photographer, Photo Journalists  and Commercial Shooters all have different wants/needs. One size doesn't fit all. Always use the right tool for the job ... and sometimes a 4x5 Film Camera is the right tool  ;D

EOS Bodies / Re: Photokina 2010 Report
« on: September 23, 2010, 10:57:09 AM »
Oh wow, that HD4 31 changes things....

Canon better make a move or there's no contest.

Prices are coming down fast. The Mamiya DM 22 with Leaf back is $9,995.00. With22 megapixel sensor, and true 16 bit/channel Raw files will give better images than 1Ds III or Nikon D3x for not much more money. BTW the DM 22 comes with a 80mm f/2.8 D Series Lens.

What will the 1Ds IV or Nikon D4 cost? Are the prices staying the same, going up or going down?

EOS Bodies / Re: Photokina 2010 Report
« on: September 22, 2010, 06:43:30 PM »

You're right. Capture One is nice to use, but for Canon, the results are far greater shooting tethered into DPP. It just looks how it's suppose to. I don't like the way Capture One renders the Canon files, flatter, off colour, depending of corse which shooting profile you are using.

Shame DPP is such a slug to use.

I have no problem getting a look the client likes with C1. But I do like DPP, and do use it to convert/correct some things I shoot on location. Too bad that Canon hasn't put the effort into developing what could be a really superior program.

EOS Bodies / Re: Photokina 2010 Report
« on: September 22, 2010, 04:45:17 PM »

I'm thinking the same, posted the same time as you! Looking to use it for studio / outdoor portraits / wedding formals etc. Which way you leaning? Leica, hassie, leaf, contax or P1?

I'm begining to think central shutter is a must, syncing at 1/800 - 1/1600 and being able to work in film is great.

I know the 1ds4 would be more flexible but I can keep my current dslrs for flexibility and add the mfd when its easiest to do so.

Schneider is making a Tilt Shift for the Phase One/Mamiya, here's the brochure  http://www.captureintegration.com/wp-content/uploads/Schneider-120mm-TS.pdf  One more reason to move to MF digital/film.

Last years CaNikon with this years MF would make a good combo. If you have never shot tethered into Phase One Capture One you have no idea what you are missing (C1 works with DSLRs too).

EOS Bodies / Re: Photokina 2010 Report
« on: September 22, 2010, 02:40:00 PM »
Many pros (myself included) have no issues with it assuming you accept it only has one great af point. That sensor for that $ is awesome, they had to put a semi crippled af in otherwise who would buy the 1ds3?

Nikon doesn't seem to have any problem with using the same metering and auto focus on ALL their pro cameras. Why can't Canon do the same? Why can't the 7D have the same focus and metering as a 1D IV? If they did this than the 60D could have the improved focus developed for the 7D (if the 7D had 1D IV focus) and the T2i could use the 40D focus. Three segments - consumer, prosumer and pro. Nikon only has two segments - consumer with SD cards and Pro with CF cards and the best metering and focus.

I'd buy a fully pro 5D MII over a 1Ds III because of lighter weight, while others would buy 1Ds III because of tougher build. Nikon gives you the choice between a D700 and a D3s, and both sell well! But it seems like I'll have to buy the D700 replacement (D800?) if I want a Pro Camera in a Small Body, because Canon has stopped listening to their customers who aren't interested in V-DSLRs.

EOS Bodies / Re: Photokina 2010 Report
« on: September 21, 2010, 01:39:28 PM »

As for siggy glass and the foveon sensor, very fair point, fuji uses the nikon mount right? sensible choice, although I can see it would be embarassing for a major glass maker like sigma to use a nikon mount.

Fuji didn't just use an F mount, they bought bodies from Nikon. The Fuji S5 Pro is a Nikon D200 with Fuji sensor and electronics. The Fuji S2 Pro was based on the Nikon N80.

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