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EOS Bodies / Phoblographer 6D review w/ comments on AF
« on: October 28, 2012, 12:51:04 PM »

This came up last night.  Interesting comment on the AF system comparng speed and accuracy to the 7D and MkIII.

Thought his comment on focus/recompose was interesting, re: if you only intend to use te center point, go with the 5d MkII.

Also liked the section about the app and WIFI capabilities.

EOS Bodies / Re: Go small or go home (T4i)
« on: October 27, 2012, 02:31:51 PM »
But let's face it- realistically- I'm a wannabe, a hack- the sort of photographer you guys mock at public events. Taking a proper course has been on my list forever- am I going to appreciate or utilize the benefits that a FF camera would provide to me? Considering the 6D release date and waiting for a reasonable price-drop, is it worth the wait?

Don't sweat it man. The real photographers at those events are nice guys, they'll talk to you and give you their card if they have one. It's the other amateurs you need to watch out for - they're the ones eyeballing your lens for the red stripe.

I think given the proximity to the 6D's intended release and the complete unknown it adds into the equation, plus the fact that're going to be using it outdoors a lot and might make use of the GPS, you should wait for the 6D before you make any decisions. It's tempting to just buy in right now, but nothing is worse than jumping into last year's tech right on the upgrade cycle and feeling remorseful right away.

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« on: October 27, 2012, 02:29:04 PM »
However for me the huge selling point of the 6D is the "silent" shutter!  Assuming it works on the production cameras like it does on the prototype - wow is it quiet compared to the 5D Mk II!  It I can think of so many places (events, street, ect.) it would be great to have that feature.

^^^ This.

The 6D isn't a 5dMkIII and it's not a 7D, and the three cameras aren't intended for the same audience or the same purpose. The 6D is a street/travel shooter through and through - designed for less weight, integrated GPS that will only work outdoors, better one-hand operation, SD cards (more universal compatibility) and a built in App for remote uploading to social media.

The GPS bashing is all good and well if you're photographing your cousin's birthday party or a baseball game once a week, but as someone shooting freelance editorial on the street with 1,000 frames per set, I appreciate the extra level of metadata allowing me to sort. It'll also make the camera fully compatible with social media mapping features that pull from similar data on smartphones to automatically tag locations.

Lenses / Re: Your technique for switching lenses in the field?
« on: October 27, 2012, 02:10:34 PM »
Lots of great pointers here. I shoot a lot of outdoor editorial in varying conditions so I'll add my two cents:

I try to minimize the amount of time my sensor/mirror is exposed by prepping everything else first, i.e. lens caps, rear caps.

Use your strap and orient the camera facing down whenever you switch. Dust and debris can still float up into the body, but if it's facing down you eliminate straight on debris carried by wind, hair and sweat from your own body, exhaust grime carried by winds, etc.

Don't remove the first lens until you have the second lens ready to hot-swap with the rear cap off. Then just play Indiana Jones and put the new lens over the hole as soon as you remove the old lens. Once the new lens is secure, worry about getting the rear cap on the old lens, taking the front cap off the old lens, etc.

Basically just streamline your process so you don't wind up with your hands full fumbling with a lens cap while your body sits face-up in a dust storm.

Like others have said, my main objective in the field is to avoid switching lenses if at all possible by keeping a short and a telephoto body on hand. I don't have a lot of gear but I will just use a rebel for telephoto if I'm running short. I'd rather focus+recompose and eschew the framerate etc than mess with lenses in a chaotic situation and potentially be out a few grand for repairs.

Speedlites, Printers, Accessories / Re: Where is this new flash?
« on: October 15, 2012, 10:22:47 PM »
Don't ever make a buying decision based on a rumor.  90+ percent do not happen.

Well... technically I'm not buying based on a rumor.  ;D

But I do hope we see more RT speedlites. I'm just getting into strobes and I don't want to be limited by learning on optical triggers.

Suppose I could always just get a PW but damn if I wouldn't like it all to be in one package.

Speedlites, Printers, Accessories / Where is this new flash?
« on: October 15, 2012, 07:11:22 PM »
Weren't we supposed to hear something about a new, lower priced speedlite in October? I've searched the forums and the Internets, but have yet to find even a peep about anything radio controlled south of the 600.

Kind of holding my breath here to see if I can jump into a few cheaper RT flashes or if I'm going to need to save up for the 600. Anyone heard anything?

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Panning with 5D3
« on: October 11, 2012, 10:42:45 PM »
I used AF servo, Mode 1 and 2 for tangentially moving subjects across the plane, the camera could focus well but I got either motion blur on the subject or not enough blur in the background depending on shutter speed.

I don't think your AF mode is important, I've achieved pretty great panning shots with and without any kind of fancy AF system. It's more about your timing and how you approach the shot.

I'm a fan of using a longer lens (say 200mm and more) and a monopod or tripod. It can make a big difference and save your arm in practicing panning.

This great photo: of a Blue Angel jet was taken at an effective telephoto lenght of 380mm and what I love about it is that you still have that hint of motion blur on the aft end of the aircraft. A panned shot razor sharp without any motion blur betrays the end result - to convey speed.

That long length will also provide isolation and compression of the background, making for an overall pretty dynamic shot.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Better dynamic range than my 5DIII
« on: October 07, 2012, 03:31:50 PM »
Obviously this is a camera that had at least 19 cross-type AF points. There's just no other explanation for it.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: AF point comparison - D600 vs. 6D vs. 5D MkIII
« on: September 22, 2012, 07:25:17 PM »
the 6D is too expensive.. there is no way around it.

i can buy a 5D MK2 for 1650 euro... there is nothing in the 6D that makes it worth 450 euro more.

Well, certainly not yet since the 6D production model doesn't exist. How much does it cost to add on GPS, WiFi, and fix the AF system of the 5D MK2 to be sensitive to -3 EV?

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: A positive feedback for 6D
« on: September 22, 2012, 07:20:35 PM »
I tend to wonder if not allowing people to keep any photos might be an indication that they aren't quite done with the design process yet. If it was a model ready for production, reviewers would already have full reviews on and it would have a hard shipping date.

If they aren't ready to finalize the design, perhaps there's hope that some of the sticking points will be resolved as well.

Canon General / Re: How many of us are making money out of photography ?
« on: September 20, 2012, 04:07:54 PM »
I make some cash here and there with editorial work - it's all about building relationships. There are literally ten thousand photographers out there who are as good or better than you. All that matters is your personality, work ethic, and networking skills. Sometimes, I find, even less than ideal composition or quality can be sold if you're dealing with someone you have a good relationship with.

Also don't be afraid to pitch to strangers. A friend of mine shot a pic of the Trump Tower for kicks a week ago and e-mailed their building manager with an offer to sell a set of postcards, and the manager accepted. You never know when you're going to get a hit with that kind of stuff.

One thing I've never done are weddings, and I know there's money to be made there. When I think of "professional" photographers, I usually think of the guys that shoot weddings, headshots, family portaits, etc. It's lucrative work if you can build up to it, but it's not for everyone.

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« on: September 20, 2012, 03:55:16 PM »
still i think the 6D is kind of "meh" for a new camera....

This might seem off topic, but it makes me think of Nintendo a bit. There you have another Japanese manufacturer of consumer electronics that got caught in a war of tech escalation with increasingly tight production cycles and plateauing performance, and decided to focus on the customer experience instead of adding +1 to every competitor's specs.

Maybe Canon is taking that same strategy - They're clearly ignoring the D600. I'm sure it would have been nothing to match on the number of AF points, but they chose instead to trounce them on low light performance and accuracy (if early reports are to be believed). They might be ignoring the arms race of more, bigger, faster, and instead are trying to craft products that will create a better experience for a target market. 

I mean, honestly, who is to say what's down the road? Ten years ago, the entire market was driven exclusively by sensor megapixel counts. Today that stat is virtually meaningless for the majority of consumers, and even professionals won't split hairs over a 5 megapixel difference between sensors. In another decade, the entire Internet could be organized by geotags, and then what? You might look back on the 6D as little camera that saw it all coming.

EOS Bodies / Re: Hands on 6D AF comparison
« on: September 20, 2012, 03:22:33 PM »
was posted already.. and it´s imo useless .. as if you can really test AF this way.  ::)

i halt my final judgement until real tests and RAW images show up.

Sorry bout that. I wasn't aware there were two competing "EOS Bodies" forums.

I agree with you, and I would take it one step further and say that I won't make a final judgement until I use the camera myself and determine whether it's right for me.

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« on: September 20, 2012, 12:59:40 PM »
I mean, in the end, is the $400-$500 worth dealing with the 5D's AF system and losing like... I can't even count how many stops of sensitivity at the center point, and ISO levels.

EOS Bodies / Hands on 6D AF comparison
« on: September 20, 2012, 12:38:43 PM »
Over on a poster dropped his specific experience with the 6D.

Canon has a booth set up at Photokina with a 5D2 and a 6D side by side with a "test cave" to show the performance of the AF system.  I've copied it here:

Ralph Conway 6D - hands on & first experience   

Today on photokina I got my hands on 6D.
There was not much time and the place was overcrowded and as far I remember, they presented the new body not in the "pro" area. I am pretty sure I will get the chance for a better and deeper second contact to the new Camera the next couple of days, because I will visit the exhibition all days till the end.

Here is my first impression:

1. the body feels and smells like more plastik than 5D II, 5D III, but it fits perfect into my hands. New size, weight and feel came comfortable for me.
2. The outer AF points worked very good (immediatelly reaction and accurate) on the well lit booth. Felt much better than 5D II ever did.
3. I was NOT allowed to put in a SD card. But I checked ISO 25.600 and it looked great on the display (what does not say much more than it has a great screen).
4. I really was missing the "joystick". Guess I have to get more familar with its new counterpart in the backwheel.
5. I can not say it for certain, but as far I remember the "confirm" illumination of the AF points was handeled same way it was in the Dxxx, Dxx, 5D, 5D II and old 1 bodies. I just remember while writing. I guess I will check again tomorrow when I find the time to tell you for sure (sorry).

The cause why I forgot to check it for sure is easy. There was a dark "testcave" to check the center AF-point -3 EV capabilities. The target was so dark that I even was not able to see where I was pointing to. I just saw some kind of a more lit area pointed the center AF sensor to it and pushed the shutter release.

6. The result was blowing away my mind. The confirmation with 50mm 1.4 came immediatelly! The focus set perfect and I first could see what I shot on the screen! I did this maybe 10-15 times, turned the camera to the side and did a portrait of a backlit visitor sitting half in the darkness. Focus was perfect. The 5D II in compare was surching, surching, surching. It did not confirm. I repeated the test with the man and it was surching and surching and at least confirmed, too. I shot the pic but I can not say if it found the correct focus, because it was a 1/15th shot wide open and I could not hold it (sorry, I forgott to check the ISO setting). The pic done with the 6D was rasorsharp at ISO 25k.

To be honest: This was the camera I wished for my needs as a 5D II follow up one year ago (some might remember). I am sure this new body will become a great success. A friend of mine who tested the Tamron 24-70 at his 1D X went over to the Canon booth and checked 6D, too.
His impression: "It´s plastic! But this sensitivness should have had found its way into the 1D X!"

More as soon as possible.


A few users asked him to return for a second comparison of the full range of AF points and compare to the 5D2. He responded the next day by saying:

My upper and downer work fine in a well lit surrounding. The left and right ones never worked. They worked excellent on the 6D.

To clarify, he's saying here that of the selectable AF points on the 5D2, his upper and lower worked ok, but the left and right ones never worked, but the 6D's points all worked quickly in low light.

This plus Canon's exec comments regarding the comparison read to me like a clear verification of the 6D's intended place as a 2012 5D2. There's a clear market for that level of camera, but anyone who owned one knows that the 5D2 AF system was a disaster. So, they improved that same system, added some bells and whistles, made it a little smaller, and dropped the entry level price by $600.

I think the mistake many forum users made was to assume that Canon would be releasing something "between" the 5D and 7D that incorporated all the features of one or the other. Instead, they've just updated a very popular body (the mark II), responded to customer complaints, and dropped the price by quite a bit.

Is there something I'm missing that makes the 5D2 more attractive than this? I mean, from what I'm reading, and from just now looking on Ebay, are people really so upset that they would rather save $299 and get a 4 year old and really troublesome AF system with more weight, lower ISO and fewer film options? To say the least of the WIFI, GPS, and all the other little gimmicks. I don't get why I've seen so many people throwing their hands up and exclaiming how glad they are they they just bought a 5D2.

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