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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« on: September 20, 2012, 12:36:42 PM »
Since the 6D is post-600EX-RT, I assume there would be some advantage to having a 6D over a 5DII for HSS off-camera, though I know some people are not feeling limited by the 5DII in that regard.

While Canon says otherwise, it has been confirmed by multiple users that hss & x-sync works just fine with 600rt + 5d2. You won't get the in-camera menus and the new option flash groups, though.

The real advantage would have been if the 6d had a rf-controller next to gps/wifi - would certainly have been possible since it's not full metal.

People are already pissed they put in the wifi and GPS since they didn't put it in the other bodies. If they'd done that then it would of been even worse complaining. Also, I think I read the range on the wifi is only 50m vs 150m external. So it might not provide as much range as an external option.

Actually, I thought I read it was more like 30m - but that's typical of small consumer electronics. You'll be hard pressed to do a real-world test with Bluetooth or WiFi outside of 30 meters (about 100 feet). Keep in mind that they only post what can be solidly achieved with no hope of failure in these tests. Usually when a manufacturer announces these kinds of range specs, most users can experience even double the performance. It will all come down to the particular scenario, i.e. indoors, outdoors, signal interference, strength of broadcast, movement of user, other environmental factors...

Also there's a hands-on example of the AF system available on the Fred Miranda forums that I'm going to post on a separate thread. It looks like the center point of the 6D is next to revolutionary, and the outer points outperform the 5D2 with ease (also, they're not assist points like the 5D2).

EOS Bodies / Re: At what price point will you consider buying the Canon 6D?
« on: September 19, 2012, 09:12:09 PM »
I would pay $2,099 to have it in December. I would pay $1,500 to have it after the holiday rush ends, maybe Spring 2013.

If it turns out to have great high ISO capabilities and a fast, accurate center AF point (with a motor sufficiently powerful enough to quickly drive the lens) I would pay $2,099 for it after the holidays, too.

EOS Bodies / Re: Who really is the target demographic for the 6D?
« on: September 19, 2012, 09:07:01 PM »
It's a lot simpler than most people here are suggesting.

Canon tweeted today: "Canon Announces Its Smallest and Lightest Full-Frame Digital SLR Camera For Serious Photographers"

In every press release and communications material regarding the 6D, Canon has used the phrase "serious photographers."

That's their target demographic. "Serious photographers." They're targeting people who feel that way. People who think that buying this camera will make them more serious. They probably already have a camera, Maybe a rebel or maybe an XXD. I think anyone who is willing to shell out $1,300+ for a 7D or 5D is already "serious." Canon is looking to upgrade the users below the $1,000 mark.

It's a clever little camera though. It finds a sweet spot between enough features to be user-friendly and not too many to be competitive with other products or intimidating. It think it is a mistake to assume that this is a camera that will only appeal to amateur users, newcomers, or people who can't afford a "better" camera.

Leica didn't even include an AF system until 2008. That didn't stop some of the world's most renown photojournalists and photographers from using that system.

The 6D is the lightest full frame body on the market (the Leica's are small but very heavy). There's something to be said for that. It's an interesting combination of elements and I think that a lot of creative professionals will find new uses for it, especially because it will open FF photography for a new range of artists who couldn't previously afford it.

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Review
« on: September 17, 2012, 05:20:26 PM »
Wow. If this is to be believed, he has had the camera since March. Pretty amazing.

March seems a little hard to believe, but DP Preview and every major retailer updated at like 12:01 when the embargo ended, so maybe not. They certainly didn't write that content in a minute. It wouldn't surprise me if Canon has had the pre-production model since then.

Equally easy for me to believe is that Ken Rockwell copied and pasted his entire review because he knows nobody can tell the difference between a 6D, 5DMkII, 5DMkIII, 7D, 1DX, or T2i photo on the internet at 72 DPI if properly exposed/focused.

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Sync speed only 1/180s?
« on: September 17, 2012, 05:12:05 PM »
Not photographers.  Maybe armchair spec readers.

+ over 9,000

Site Information / Re: So stupid but still so funny :)
« on: September 17, 2012, 05:09:28 PM »
Somehow, the pic for the 6D specs seems more accurate this way.

(mine was a cat spinning a pillow over and over)

Of course I frequently ask the wife where things are in the fridge, when it is right in front of my face.  Have I misssed it, or have they not yet said whether it has AF micro adjustment?

Yes, it's said to have the same AFMA as the 5dMkIII. The 'official' product page only says this in the 'features' section under Auto Focus:

For even more customization, adjustment levels for the wide-angle and telephoto ends of particular lenses can be entered and recorded into the camera’s memory.

As far as I know, AFMA seems to be a new standard feature on all live-view capable XD specced cameras, probably XXD too if they keep coming out.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 05:03:52 PM »
Ditching WiFi and GPS probably would have knocked $20 of the production cost, but the perceived value to users is what's making up the price. The price drop without those items would have been substantially higher, at least as high as one of the separate attachments, which is what, $300?

Also, the Magnesium alloy was probably an effect of the price, not vice versa. The logic goes that if you're going to hit a price point, customers expect a certain build quality. I doubt the inclusion of exclusion would raise or lower the price, but the exclusion would certainly make people less willing to buy.

If you ask me, the new sensor is probably the source of the cost. A new sensor requires new fabrication techniques which requires new equipment, and sometimes even new factories. Others have rightly pointed out that Canon already has a few FF sensors in full production they could have used for cheaper.  There may well be some new manufacturing process here that is underlying a major shift for them. haven't we read that these sensors will have larger photo cells than even the 5dMKIII had?

That suggests that they're testing a new technology (probably higher range and better noise reduction) on this camera since it will sell more units at a lower price and allow them to build more sensors and reduce the overall cost of production. That would set the stage for them to switch to the new tech (if indeed it is universal and not tied to the specific size of the sensor itself) in all cameras forthcoming. The unusually high price of the 6D indicates to me that it's an early adoption not just of a new brand, but of some underlying technologies.

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Smart Phone control
« on: September 17, 2012, 03:50:52 PM »
nice for some.. but i would rarely use it.

The first thing that jumps out at me is my constant frustration with having to get home before I post photos. I go shoot a protest or rally (like I did this past Saturday with the Chicago Teacher's Union strike rally) and while I'm sitting on a train twiddling my thumbs, AP, Getty, and everyone with instagram is posting first. If the phone app really works quickly and isn't too buggy it would be great to flip through 500-1000 photos and rate my top 10, transmit my top 3 via e-mail to an editor, then process the others for a slideshow in the evening.

Typically, wire service photogs crash in a hotel or starbucks, but occasionally you're out somewhere with limited access to WiFi, and this kind of thing (tethering wirelessly to a smart phone) just adds one more option.

It would just be a workflow process improvement for anyone shooting on a deadline or from a remote location with no wifi.

EOS Bodies / 6D Smart Phone control
« on: September 17, 2012, 03:44:58 PM »
For those who haven't seen it:

Some pretty cool highlights (note the screencaps list 7D showing that this application is compatible with any wifi-enabled body).

  • Control over WiFi - no cables needed (unlike Magic Lantern and DSLR Controller)
  • Full live-view remote shooting capabilities (aperture, shutter, ISO, focus)
  • Rate, delete, sort and view from phone without exposing body
  • Save image to phone, or send as e-mail from body (WiFi/4G tether?)


Switching to RAW+Jpeg for a wedding shoot to allow bride/groom to instantly share classic "Kiss" or "Cake cutting" photos on FB with status change straight from phones.

E-mailing editors (small publications w/o photo editors) keeper Jpegs on-site for slideshows or low-res accompany pics.

Instagram x over 9,000.

Remote triggering for wildlife or truly candid photography (maybe over IP). The site indicates that the app:

allows connection via access points (infrastructure), but even in environments without access points, it can be used if you have just a camera and a smartphone.

That seems to indicate you can control over IP, which would be awesome. With DLNA support and the liveview streamable over WiFI, might live streaming high quality video also be possible?

Thoughts? (My first: is this in the wrong forum? It's tied to the 6D for now so I thought it logical to describe it as a feature of the body)

EOS Bodies / Re:
« on: September 17, 2012, 03:25:46 PM »
Protests halt Canon production in China

because they also think the 6D sucks?   8)

:P No, because the japs bought some contested islands, and the Chinese government has been teaching anti-Japanese sentiment for generations. (maybe something to do with the whole conquering attempt thing).

EOS Bodies / Protests halt Canon production in China
« on: September 17, 2012, 03:17:05 PM »

Canon could be facing a costly drop in production of both its digital cameras and laser printers, following reports that widespread protests in China have forced it close most of its factories in that country. It's a similar story at Panasonic, which is said to have had one of its plants "sabotaged" by Chinese workers. The anti-Japan protests concern the status of disputed islands in the East China Sea and were triggered by the Japanese government's move to purchase some of the land in question

Don't know if the main EOS plants are in China or Japan (I would guess China) but this can't be good with them just trying to ramp up 6D production.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 03:15:42 PM »
People balk at the features of the 6D and now the 5D Mark III doesn't look so bad.

High praise for the 5d3 indeed :-> ... but I fear you're correct, and the 5d3 price will stay just below $3000 for quite some time because Canon made sure the 6d is no "mini-5d3" but a high iq tourist camera.

Count in in with the people who will buy this as a backup one it drops below $1500US.

Some people might use it as a 2nd camera with a fast prime mounted and an exchangeable focus screen.

Alternatively I'm thinking of building a featherweight street shooter by pairing the 6D with the 40mm STM.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 02:54:38 PM »
This from Engadget

What really blew us away, though, is the new camera's size and weight. It's more compact than the 5D and even the 7D, an APS-C camera, weighing in at 690 grams -- a 20-percent decrease from that larger pro model. 20 percent may not sound like a tremendous improvement, but it's certainly noticeable, boosting the 6D's versatility, and making it an ideal choice for street and travel photography.

This is what I'm talking about. Ever carry a gripped 5dMkIII w/ bright glass on a four mile round trip hike through a city following a protest?

How about three so you can cover the whole focal range?

How about three with bright lenses and a six foot stepladder

I will be sufficiently able to overcome the loss of AF points by regaining the use of the muscles in both hands.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« on: September 17, 2012, 02:42:38 PM »
I shoot 50 weddings a year and shoot them entirely in manual mode.

The only thing the 6D announcement did was make me wonder why my 1DX didn't get the wifi and GPS treatment, that would of been great for my high end shoots.

Then again, how good is the wifi, it could be really slow.

I've never used WiFi but the usual assessment is it's too slow if you shoot RAW to be of much practical use.

I'm not sure how well WiFi, GPS, or a build wireless flash transmitter (DarkNightNine suggested this in another thread) would work through the full magnesium frame of a 1DX.

An antenna the size of a filament might not even work through the polycarbonate coating. You need a decently high gain antenna to get GPS to work through anything, let alone magnesium. But you'd have to be outside for it to work reliably anyway. I hope the GPS has a kill switch so as not to drain the battery searching.

I also noted that the WiFi in-body has a range of 30 meters as opposed to 150 meters with the attachment Canon offers separately. I didn't see the specs on the WiFi - if it's the new draft protocol AC (which I highly doubt) It would have great bandwidth. It's almost certainly the B/G/N which maxes at like... 20 MB/s I think? What has me drooling (as a freelance photojournalist) is the potential to find my 1 'keeper' shot and upload it wirelessly to an editor via e-mail or FTP. It would also be pretty great if the camera could push via WiFi to android or iOS and convert for sharing similarly. Can't tell you how great it would be to update virtually live from the scene without instagram or Cell phone pics. Would be a game-changer for indy journalists everywhere, even if it did take some 2 minutes to transfer and upload.

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