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Canon General / Re: Canon's MAP Pricing Goes Into Full Effect Today

« on: November 01, 2012, 12:58:42 PM »

Sorry for my ignorance, but is this only in the US? I haven't noticed any changes to advertised prices on Amazon.jp, should I be buying up my wishlist?

I see Canadian prices went up.

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Canon General / Re: Canon's MAP Pricing Goes Into Full Effect Today

« on: November 01, 2012, 12:32:41 PM »

Allowed 20%ish price drop on new & hot body is unacceptable. Canon needs to keep their reputation as leader in this market.

Allowing this camera to be so heavily overpriced is unacceptable. Enforcing this price tag and not allowing the market to have it at its fair price is outrageous.

With all the sub $3K deals showing the real place for this body in today's market, good luck to Canon selling it now at MSRP.

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Canon General / Re: Canon's MAP Pricing Goes Into Full Effect Today

« on: November 01, 2012, 11:38:45 AM »

My question is - now that everybody knows what the fair market price of the camera is (quite below $3K) - how many bodies Canon is hoping to sell with MAP being enforced?  Do they really expect customers to pay MSRP now??    Is Canon even paying ANY attention with what is going on in the market these days?

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: 5d mark iii Amazon price drop

« on: October 28, 2012, 05:14:19 PM »

Wow - with rebates B&H and Amazon have 5DMKIII at $3,110.00! This is great!

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Canon General / Re: Canon Can't Even Make a Billion Dollars Anymore

« on: October 26, 2012, 02:05:23 PM »

Probably because no one had the D800 in stock, and low supply means high demand which means no market drive for a lower price.

The stock has been good for some time now but I still have not seen any shocking deals on this body.

I thought $3500 was not unreasonable.  The IQ of a 5DII (already excellent) coupled with the AF system of a camera costing >$3K more, plus 6 fps shooting speed?  That's a powerful combination.  If I had any interest in purchasing a 5DIII, would I want it to be cheaper?  Of course.  But if I had been interested in purchasing a 5DIII, the $3500 price would not have affected my decision.  Amortized over a 3 year life of the camera, $500 becomes something like 46¢ per day.  My morning coffee cost 10 times that.  Just sayin'.

Well, the street price drop is more than $500 in the US and considering Canadian online buyers it is around $1K for us. I do realize the MSRP was not an issue for some. However, this is not what i am talking about. Yes, the extra $500-$750 might not be a big deal for pros who have this cam as a money making machine, or for some who can afford to pay even more than that without any significant financial impact. But consider D800 sitting next to it at $3K and consider over 800 Canon units which Adorama easily moved in just a couple of days at a $750 discount.  I don't think that $2750 is just a pocket change for many in these hard economic times, however folks jumped on this deal right away. Nobody is expecting to have MKIII discounted into oblivion, but people are ready to spend close to $3K of hard earned cash for this item. Again, this is not just about purchaser's expectation of a cheaper price. Its about current market situation (mostly direct competition from D800).

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Canon General / Re: Canon Can't Even Make a Billion Dollars Anymore

« on: October 26, 2012, 12:56:53 PM »

..too high a price (in your opinion)

In just my opinion? Seriously? With all the price fluctuations up to $750 (and even more if you consider Canadian prices) in just a few months after the release? With D800  $3K price at release? Any idea why there are no similar price drops on D800?

So $3800 Canadian or even $3500 US pricing was reasonable in your opinion?

Neuro, I respect your posts on this forum and your knowledge, but I struggle to understand you on this one.

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Canon General / Re: Canon Can't Even Make a Billion Dollars Anymore

« on: October 26, 2012, 12:45:52 PM »

  I rather think the situation is slightly more complex...

I never said that pricing of 5DMKIII was the only contributing factor. This is simply one of the most obvious ones in terms of dslr market.

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Canon General / Re: Canon Can't Even Make a Billion Dollars Anymore

« on: October 26, 2012, 12:23:58 PM »

LMAO. Some time ago I stated on this forum that Canon's pricing for 5DMKIII was fundamentally wrong. Some disagreed.  I'll say it again: a quick cash grab from early adopters is not a good strategy in the long run. Not with this product and not in this market. This year could be different for Canon's dslr sales if their marketing folks paid attention to what was happening (and still happening) on today's market. Fans can be loyal, but they are not necessarily dumb. (I'm obviously not talking about the pros who's 5DMKIIIs made a ton of $$ for them since purchase.)

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: The 5D Mark II & 5D Mark III Get Cheaper

« on: October 24, 2012, 06:20:57 PM »

$2800 now:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-Digital-Camera-Digital-SLR-Body-/180998819475?forcev4exp=true&forceRpt=true#ht_3479wt_1226

Canon and retailers can milk the first adopters only to a certain point. Initial pricing was based on the assumption that Canon is the king of the hill in its own la-la land. Reality kicks in as sales start to drop too much , so here we are with price drops after just a few months from the release date. More great deals to come. i think the price will settle to a more realistic level around spring next year.

I'm not saying this is a bad camera, I'm just saying unrealistic pricing can not be maintained in a free market for a very long time.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Help me, 5D Mark iii order now or wait for a "possible deal"

« on: October 24, 2012, 12:43:31 PM »

Prices wend down today to $3200 at all major retailers. This means we will see a lot more $2900 and less deals at ebay stores real soon. Plus the holidays are coming real soon. If you can wait a bit i would. I'm not suggesting waiting another year. Just saying prices are about to get a lot more attractive. Hopefully 

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: 5d mark iii Amazon price drop

« on: October 24, 2012, 12:34:01 PM »

B&H is back at $3199:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/847545-REG/Canon_5260A002_EOS_5D_Mark_III.html/KWID/canonwatch

Looks like same at Adorama and Amazon.

Another authorized retailer at ebay is at $2900:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-Digital-Camera-Digital-SLR-Body-/180998819475?forcev4exp=true&forceRpt=true#ht_3324wt_1397

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark III Price Drop

« on: October 04, 2012, 02:00:48 PM »

Well, in Canada the MSRP went quietly from $3800 to $3600 and in addition Canon Canada offers $100 discount. That, I guess, explains why some large retailers are selling this camera at $3400. Looking forward to holiday deals!

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: Canon 5D Mark III w/ Canon 24-105mm kit - US $3,599.00 on ebay

« on: October 04, 2012, 11:34:19 AM »

BigValue is not a authorized Canon dealer, this has been discussed in many previous topics, and others are even now posted.  Someone even called Canon and was told that there was no Warranty on items purchased from them.
BTW, they say that a US warranty card is included, but do not say that there is a US Warranty.  They are being very sly about that, since Canon uses the sales receipt to determine Warranty, the card does nothing.

Well, thats the thing - their ebay listing showed what was included with camera and one of the items was "Canon U.S.A. Warranty". Their ebay rating is also high... All together that triggered my interest...

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Pricewatch Deals / Canon 5D Mark III w/ Canon 24-105mm kit - US $3,599.00 on ebay

« on: October 02, 2012, 11:33:11 AM »

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-Digital-SLR-Camer-w-Canon-24-105mm-f-4L-USM-AF-Lens-/230857493010?afepn=5335869999&campid=5335869999&PID=1225267
The seller is in the US but i do not recognize the name. With a sale of 24-105L at $850, the body works out to $2750. They are saying on ebay that the kit comes with Canon USA warranty...

Also Vistek and some other stores in Canada started to offer an additional $100 discount to the usual Canadian price $3500, so the body now is cheaper (if we are talking big reputable camera stores) in Canada at $3400.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]

« on: September 26, 2012, 01:40:09 PM »

Canon's pricing strategy with 5DMKIII proved to be fundametally wrong, so I really hope they learned their lesson...

Just curios, did you see sales numbers?

Sorry - I should've said IMO in my statement. No, I did not look at numbers. I rather look at the level of pricing in terms of competition offerings & their pricing, the fact that the street price of MKIII went down so fast and that much. Also the number of people who were waiting for the upgrade from MKII and who realized that MKIII is out of their financial reach. In Canada the MSRP was announced as $3800 and in just a few months ALL stores priced it down by $300. Is that not an indication of miscalculated pricing? Now as it went all the way down to sub $3K (again, I am aware that this is not MSRP but rather a street price), i see quite a number of early buyers are somewhat angry/frustrated as they paid the full price. I know many of them already paid it off with images taken, but hey if the price was lower initially - that would still be the same cam and extra few hundred $ in their pockets. I wonder if there was another camera model (with a 3-4 year cycle) which pricing was jumping that much in just a few months after the release. Market proved that the real value of the cam is quite below $3K. So yeah, IMO the pricing on MKIII was/is fundamentally wrong.