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Hi I wonder if anyone can help with this strange 'bug'?

I have Lightroom 4 which is showing as version 4.4 with Camera Raw 7.4.
I've created some external editor presets depending on the type of file I want to 'Edit In' to Photoshop.
They are all basically set to PSD's, 16bit, 300ppi and then either color space set to ProPhoto RGB (lightroom default), AdobeRGB (1998) or sRGB.

When I Edit In a lightroom adjusted raw file (CR2) to Photoshop using my Presets that I've mentioned above all work correctly and open up the file with the correct settings and color space EXCEPT the preset that is set to open as color space sRGB. This instead opens to AdobeRGB  :o

Now I've actually got a little further with this problem in that I've worked out that it seems to because of the Workflow options in the Camera Raw version of my Photoshop CS6 which happens to be version 8.1.
So If I open a CR2 file straight from Photoshop it pops up the Camera Raw window and at the bottom where it shows the workflow settings if I click on that and change it to sRGB for the color space if I then go back to lightroom and Edit In a file to Photoshop with my sRGB preset it now works and opens up with the sRGB color space.

Anyone know why this is happening? I wouldn't have thought that the Workflow settings in Camera Raw of Photoshop would have any influence on my Edit In preset settings in lightroom.

This hasn't always happened as far as I'm aware. Maybe it's started from an update to Photoshop and its Camera Raw version ??

Anyone shed any light on this for me?
Your comment about sending a edited CR2 file from Lightroom to Photoshop doesn't seem correct to me.
 
 
As far as I am aware, you cannot edit a RAW CR2 image in Lightroom.  Lightroom saves edit settings in a database. And renders a copy in a different format for various uses. 
 
 
If you want to move a edited image from Lightroom to Photoshop, it is done by:
 
1. Rendering a modified Lightroom copy in tif/psd format for Photoshop to edit.
 
or
 
2.  Rendering a unedited copy in tif/psd format for Photoshop to edit
 
or
 
Opening  the original CR2 file in Photoshop where it will take on your Photoshop presets. 
 
You make the choice when you select "edit in Photoshop" from Lightroom.
 
So, if you are using the third option and asking to edit the unchanged CR2 file in Photoshop, your Photoshop settings will be applied, since there is nothing from Lightroom in the CR2 file.
 
The premise of Lightroom is to NEVER change a raw file.
 
Assuming you know all the above, and have selected to edit a copy in PSD format in Photoshop using sRGB, I gather that Photoshop is overriding the color space.  There is a check box in the preferences "Prefer Adobe Camera Raw for Supported Raw Files"  that might cause Camera Raw to override and settings from Lightroom.

yep you've missunderstood me...or maybe I should have been clearer.
i mean when I've made the adjustments in LR and then Edit In to photoshop with one of my Presets as I explained above...settings being PSD, 16 bit, 300ppi and then a colour space....sRGB for example being the one that gets lost/overridden as LR passes the copy and opens it as PSD in photoshop.

if you look at the link I put in my previous post above it explains it well from someone else who has identified the issue. i've also got Julieanne Kost on the case too. She's passed it on to the Adobe Internal Tech team.

i've already tried turning "Prefer Adobe Camera Raw for Supported Raw Files" option off and it makes no difference. thanks though.

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Software & Accessories / Re: Lightroom 5
« on: August 10, 2013, 05:03:24 PM »


great, thanks for that info.
when you uninstall the old version (4.4 in my case) do you have to manually delete the old catalog and previews then or does it ask to do this when uninstalling?

Why delete your old catalog when you can open it in LR5 and not lose all the work you've done?  You might get prompted about updating process versions but that is easy enough to cope with if you feel the need to rework existing images.

Jim

i'm talking about deleting your old LR4 catalog only once LR5 upgrades your old catalog in to its own new one. so you'll lose no work. at which point you can then get rid of LR4 and work solely in LR5. if that be your desire.

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Software & Accessories / Re: Lightroom 5
« on: August 09, 2013, 09:17:25 AM »
anyone able to explain why LR5 installs seperately from LR4?
Have all the new versions of LR done this? I've only used LR4 and still am. Not moved to 5 yet.

I've been using LR since v1, and all major version upgrades (2,3,4,...) have installed separately, and copied and upgraded the catalog from the previous version. When upgrading the catalog, though, the "process version" is not changed so your adjustments and sliders stay put so and don't need to rework all your images unless you want to take advantage of the new controls.

The upside of this is that you can keep working with the old while getting used to the new, as long as you realize you're working with two independent catalogs when it comes to importing new images. You can then uninstall the old version and delete the catalog and previews when you're ready to move on.

great, thanks for that info.
when you uninstall the old version (4.4 in my case) do you have to manually delete the old catalog and previews then or does it ask to do this when uninstalling?

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seems I'm not the only one with this issue. this person in the link below explains exactly the problem and I get the same behaviour with the other colour space settings too depending on what is set in Photoshops camera raw 8.1 workflow output color space:

http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom_4_4_1_edit_in_ps_cs6_with_srgb_configured_opens_in_acr_color_space_instead

annoyingly when I log in to that forum in the link above it doesn't seem to show me as being logged in so I can't reply to the thread  :-\

anyone else able to shed any light on this issue? I guess the answer to that is No as no one has replied so far  :(

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Software & Accessories / Re: Lightroom 5
« on: August 09, 2013, 06:46:22 AM »
anyone able to explain why LR5 installs seperately from LR4?
Have all the new versions of LR done this? I've only used LR4 and still am. Not moved to 5 yet.

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Software & Accessories / Lightroom 4 Edit In Photoshop CS6 sRGB Issue
« on: August 08, 2013, 12:57:53 PM »
Hi I wonder if anyone can help with this strange 'bug'?

I have Lightroom 4 which is showing as version 4.4 with Camera Raw 7.4.
I've created some external editor presets depending on the type of file I want to 'Edit In' to Photoshop.
They are all basically set to PSD's, 16bit, 300ppi and then either color space set to ProPhoto RGB (lightroom default), AdobeRGB (1998) or sRGB.

When I Edit In a lightroom adjusted raw file (CR2) to Photoshop using my Presets that I've mentioned above all work correctly and open up the file with the correct settings and color space EXCEPT the preset that is set to open as color space sRGB. This instead opens to AdobeRGB  :o

Now I've actually got a little further with this problem in that I've worked out that it seems to because of the Workflow options in the Camera Raw version of my Photoshop CS6 which happens to be version 8.1.
So If I open a CR2 file straight from Photoshop it pops up the Camera Raw window and at the bottom where it shows the workflow settings if I click on that and change it to sRGB for the color space if I then go back to lightroom and Edit In a file to Photoshop with my sRGB preset it now works and opens up with the sRGB color space.

Anyone know why this is happening? I wouldn't have thought that the Workflow settings in Camera Raw of Photoshop would have any influence on my Edit In preset settings in lightroom.

This hasn't always happened as far as I'm aware. Maybe it's started from an update to Photoshop and its Camera Raw version ??

Anyone shed any light on this for me?

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Lenses / Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« on: July 16, 2013, 04:04:36 AM »
Hi guys, just wondering how many of you use a circular polariser on your copy of the 24-70 f/2.8L II?
I haven't got a CP yet but considering maybe that I should have one for use with this lens.
If you do use one how often is it on the lens? Is it only for the odd occassion or more?
Also any recommendations on filter purchase? All my screw on filters are B+W and am looking at maybe the B+W MRC Nano XS-Pro. Expensive but maybe worth it. Especially as it's slim mount with front threads.
Suggestions welcome..
I splurged on the 82mm B+W MRC Nano XS-Pro and it is a beautiful filter but I can't tell much of a difference between it and my Hoya 77mm Circular Polarizing HD filter.  The construction is a bit better, but Hoya sent me a brand new one when I foolishly separated mine while under warranty.  I use a polarizer a lot in Florida for water and foliage and if you follow B+W & other's recommendations not to shoot under 28mm, it works great, although, I've shot plenty at 24mm.  It works fine if I'm careful about the "effect".

As for frequent vs. occasional use, that's up to you.  If you need one or use one already, it may be worth it, but if you mostly shoot people and don't get around the water, wet landscapes, foliage in the sun, big windows, etc. your better off spending your money elsewhere.

Also, using my polarizer leads me to my one gripe about the Mark II - plastic filter threads.  For $2k+, that seems ridiculous!

thanks for the reply mackguyver. yeah I think it'll be something that's nice to have in the bag when I need it rather than something that i can't live without. however I often come across articles that say it's the most important filter you can have. maybe I'll just wait till money is flowing a bit more freely than it is now and get one then.

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Lenses / Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« on: July 14, 2013, 02:18:38 PM »
Hi guys, just wondering how many of you use a circular polariser on your copy of the 24-70 f/2.8L II?
I haven't got a CP yet but considering maybe that I should have one for use with this lens.
If you do use one how often is it on the lens? Is it only for the odd occassion or more?
Also any recommendations on filter purchase? All my screw on filters are B+W and am looking at maybe the B+W MRC Nano XS-Pro. Expensive but maybe worth it. Especially as it's slim mount with front threads.
Suggestions welcome..

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 70D a New Benchmark in ISO Performance?
« on: July 01, 2013, 11:44:50 AM »
i'll be really pleased if the 70D and the 7DII have nice clean low iso noise files and good DR as I'll be interested in replacing my 40D for my macro work with either of these bodies.

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zero AFMA needed on mine. took a few replacements to get an issue free copy though (and i don't mean focusing issues). my patience has been rewarded with a super sharp copy.

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Lenses / Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« on: June 27, 2013, 05:35:14 PM »
just thought i'd mention that i've noticed significant copy variance. i went through 4 copies due to unfortunate problems (never had issues like this with any other lens purchase). first copy i had seemed fine and sharp however after a big outdoor session with it i felt it had the dreaded decentering issue as the right edge was always rather soft. returned it and then had a strange clicky zoom ring noise issue with the replacement as mentioned on these forums. someone else has had this too. seems to be a problem with a batch of the newly made copies. shame as it was lovely and sharp. so back it went for another. the third copy was a lemon. after proper testing i found it incredibly soft wide open (compared to previous copies) and it didn't improve much stopping down. especially at the tele end. no amount of AFMA helped. it wasn't down to a focus issue. went back for a fourth copy. first shot i could tell straight off that it was an absolute beauty. sharp as a razor across the frame. even wide open. both wide and tele end. finally got a keeper. yay!  ;D it was from last octobers manufacturing line (with old style lens cap). obviously i'm really pleased but the reason why I say all this is that it may explain why some are raving about the lens and other not so impressed. i believe like the mark I version there are indeed some copy to copy variances. to be fair i mostly read great things about this lens so thankfully it seems there are more great copies than poor/average copies.

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all very helpful info so far thanks  :)

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maybe it would be sensible to go for a soft ND Grad first then.
WEX in the UK here have 10% off filters at the moment and typically they're out of stock of almost everything Lee  >:(

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Foundation Kit, a 0.9 soft-edge ND grad, the Big Stopper, and if you plan to shoot straight horizons (ocean, etc.), a 0.6 or 0.9 hard-edge ND grad.  If you'll shoot sunsets on the horizon, consider a 0.9 reverse-grad ND (e.g. Singh-Ray).

yeah this is kind of what i'm thinking of getting.
still undecided on whether to go hard or soft on my first ND Grad though  :-\

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I wonder if anyone would post their suggestions on what is a good starting place when it comes to Lee filters?
I know they do a Lee Digital SLR Starter kit but not sure if the included 2 stop filters are the best starting point as I read a lot of people prefer the 0.9 (3 stop filters).

So maybe buying the foundation kit and getting seperate 3 stop ND and NDG would be better?
I know these things are really a matter of what you want to be able to achieve with them but still if we're talking a good starting point what would you suggest?

I'm initially going to be using this with my 24-70 f/2.8L II lens by the way.
I've already bought a Lee 82mm wide angle adaptor ring. I'll also be buying a Big Stopper at some point in the future too.

Any advice welcome...


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