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Lenses / Re: An EF-M f/1.2 Lens?
« on: February 09, 2015, 03:40:47 PM »
Stop whining about focus speed. The M is fast enough, the M2 is pretty fast. And I'm sure this M3 will be lightning fast for its kind of camera. If you need speed and accuracy, you shouldn't be using a mirrorless. That's DSLR all day long. Most of us Canon users own both anyway. 

I absolutely love my M1 and for me, personally I think it's pretty darn fast. It's an impressive camera in my eyes.  I even think I may like it over the M3. M3 looks a bit bulky.

Also that 1.2 lens will be cool but keep in mind it won't be a true 1.2.  It will be closer to an F/2 equivalent... and since Canon EF 1.2 lenses usually measure at 1.4 t-stop (at best) that puts this lens closer to an F2.2 equivalent (assuming this EF-m 1.2 lens comes out)

Still great, but not great as it sounds. =)

I love my M, but I have to disagree. It's not fast, by any stretch of imagination or adulation.
I focus faster manually, which is saying a lot...

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Have been looking at this website for a while.
So, I am guessing this will not work with studio flashes?
What I need is for Godox to come out with the TTL version of their bare bulb flash...

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Photography Technique / Re: Next lens..
« on: February 08, 2015, 06:25:43 PM »
I own a 50d and i shoot a little of street and landscapes.


Hmm... in that case the EF-S 24mm f/2.8 STM pancake makes more sense. But still, based on my first and second-hand experience, the stunning effect of shallow depth of focus that the 50 produces gets most people hooked.
A cheap experiment, in any case.

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Photography Technique / Re: Next lens..
« on: February 08, 2015, 01:35:29 PM »
I heard it will come a newer 50mm, should i wait?

You can get a used 50/1.8 II for about $ 70. Will you get a newly announced one for that amount before the year is over? I doubt it.
Depends on your priorities. You can always sell the 50/1.8 II if you want to upgrade afterwards.
For me, time wasted in waiting in a lens is time I could have gone out and taken pictures. Since this isn't my full-time job I get too little opportunity to start with.

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Photography Technique / Re: Next lens..
« on: February 08, 2015, 12:53:22 PM »
need the cheapest alternatives, what you recommend?


Get a 50/1.8 II and see how you like it at the widest aperture.

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EOS Bodies / Re: DPReview Interview with Chuck Westfall of Canon USA
« on: February 07, 2015, 12:08:47 PM »
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Both Westfall and Burnhill, Canon point men in different countries for this launch, used exactly the same wording, "equivalent to the 5D MkIII" they did that because they were told to. Westfall said it because Canon told him to say it, so you can hardly point a finger at him for saying it!

The haters need no instigation, they truthfully don't, sit them in a rose garden and they will tell you it smells like manure, then go on to point out that they are sitting in the manure. Their lemons suck, mine make great lemonade. Their glass is half empty, I have a glass and it has something it.

I make a living selling photographs I take with a seven year old body, they can't take pictures of anything because they don't have the DR, MP, AF, EVF, flip screen, WiFi, GPS, blah blah that another model does.

Sure everything can be improved, but crying about 'no improvement over my 5D MkII' when we ignore all the other massive improvements over the 5D MkII, we don't have a release date for months and no downloadable and editable RAW file for a long time, is kinda weak.

I guess that's true.
Anyway, a good way to get rid of the frustration from reading these posts is to go out and shoot some pictures, and today is a beautiful day for that.

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Lenses / Re: 11-24 is here, with images of it compared to Nikon 14-24
« on: February 07, 2015, 11:54:00 AM »

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Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI_gHK5hqnE


Does anybody know where this promo video has been filmed? Looks like somewhere in the U.S.
A national park in Utah or Arizona?

thanks

Pretty good guess, you are on the border of those very states near Page.

Incidentally, Canon is shooting promo video for their 11mm ultrawide in a location where I had been severely limited with my widest FL being 28mm at that time.

I see you are working on the reason to get this lens. It always pays to build your case as to why you need new gear early on.  :P ;)

LOL! Not really though, I have miles to go before I can fully take advantage of 11mm. At present I am merely learning with my 14/2.8 Rokinon.
But if you want to shoot the horseshoe bend, for example, you need at least 17/18mm FL and I had a 17-40 on a crop sensor. The coverage with the 11mm is, of course, crazy.
I think this will very quickly become an extremely popular lens.

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EOS Bodies / Re: DPReview Interview with Chuck Westfall of Canon USA
« on: February 07, 2015, 11:38:15 AM »
Architectural and interior photographers also want more dynamic range. I was definitely a buyer for a 5Ds or the R. When I saw it has the same dynamic range as my 5D2 and three frame auto bracketing they lost my purchase.  The 17tse and 24tse are they only reason I wouldn't switch to Nikon. I guess I will wait to see if they bring the DR up on the 5D4. Very disappointed in what this camera could've been in sensor technology.

Where did you see that, as in where are the DR comparison images that demonstrate that?

It seems to me Canon are being very conservative with the claims for these cameras, they often are, but they are saying whilst the DR is similar to the 5D MkIII there is less noise and more latitude in the shadows and highlights, who knows what that means, we don't.

Until we start actually seeing independent tests, hyperbole and emotional garbage is best left in the bin where it belongs.

And this is what I had suggested Chuck Westfall's comparisons might lead to: people becoming biased even before they try out the camera. That is happening, if you look at the forum responses. If he didn't say what he did, people would have waited till the reviews come out, or better, tried it out themselves.

Drawing anecdotal comparisons with the 5DIII in terms of DR and 7DII in terms of noise (the latter, with a flawed reasoning) is only going to instigate the haters. As you said, it doesn't tell us much- so why make statements that are not informative, and potentially confusing? It is very nice to be conservative and all, and then give everyone a pleasant surprise, but I am not sure that is a sound marketing strategy.

Unlike msm and others {"We just want the best product for our needs, and do not care who makes most money.") I do want Canon to make money- not because I am a shareholder, but because I intend to use Canon equipment for a long time, and want them to stay market leaders. If I have to pay $ 500 more today in the short term to ensure I don't have to switch altogether to a less optimal system, I am happy to make that investment.

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Lenses / Re: 11-24 is here, with images of it compared to Nikon 14-24
« on: February 07, 2015, 02:11:20 AM »

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Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI_gHK5hqnE


Does anybody know where this promo video has been filmed? Looks like somewhere in the U.S.
A national park in Utah or Arizona?

thanks

Pretty good guess, you are on the border of those very states near Page.

Incidentally, Canon is shooting promo video for their 11mm ultrawide in a location where I had been severely limited with my widest FL being 28mm at that time.

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EOS Bodies / Re: DPReview Interview with Chuck Westfall of Canon USA
« on: February 07, 2015, 01:58:05 AM »
The problem is, the camera raises too many questions to be slam dunk, the same way 6D did. It was a great camera that received negative PR due to missing some key features.

And yet...the 6D remains the Top Rated dSLR on Amazon, and is the second-best selling FF dSLR on Amazon (behind the 5DIII).

So you're saying there wasn't any room for improvement? If the 6D was priced $ 100 more and had a few more key video features, or slightly better AF (not all of these, just one) then Canon could have used it to address a niche market in addition to the general entry-level FF market (videographers, action shooters, etc. on a budget). Canon could have done that without cannibalizing 5DIII sales.
If you can keep the bottomline solid AND make inroads for future market development, isn't that better?

No that isn't it at all, there is room for improvement, and that is where the 6D MkII comes in, it will be enough of an upgrade to entice those 6D owners that don't want a 5D MkIV, and at the same time collect the base FF customers.

Canon have very rarely thrown everything into a body, the 1Ds MkIII is the last one they did, and it was prematurely side stepped by the largely similar and IQ same 5D MkII.

You guys might find it frustrating, I'd say stop looking at it like you are, Canon spend millions of dollars on market research to find out just how much they can get away with not giving you. If you don't like that, and they have made an allowance for you not liking it, go buy that Sony/Nikon/Fuji that you do think is the answer.

1. When I say room for improvement, I am not talking about room for improving the 6D. I am talking about improving Canon's market share or 6D sales, or both. Please re read my post- and if it is still not clear, I apologize for my written communication skills (or lack thereof).
2. I specifically mentioned adding one of the features- not all of them. The idea would be to capture a niche market share, not to cannibalize their sales.
3. The only thing that frustrates me here is my post taken completely out of context. I have mentioned how I was disappointed that a camera like 6D ("a great camera") didn't get the PR it deserves. My 6D is a backup to my 5DIII and I never shoot video, so I am perfectly satisfied- it is a great stills camera. However, there are videographers who would have purchased the 6D in a heartbeat if it had, for example, an AA filter or microphone input or clean HDMI out. Or, maybe budget photojournalists instead who need a better AF system but no video features.

I have never, not once, bashed Canon cameras or Canon as a company on these forums for not having features that I want. In fact, quite the opposite. For example:

When Canon was pushing the megapixels, people complain about the loss in IQ and how it was important to do what Nikon did- focus on the quality.
After they stopped doing that, and created a fantastic camera in the 5D III, people pointed out how Nikon "innovated" by creating a 36 MP camera (brave business decision, yes- but purchasing a sensor from Sony and building a camera around it is not the epitome of innovation IMO).
Now that Canon has created a 50 MP camera, I hear all these naysayers.
There are, of course, Nikon haters as well- who complained about large file sizes and how the LCD looks too green blah blah blah!
It is amazing that these people never stop to think about all their own shortcomings that won't be solved by a 100MP 20-stop DR sensor. Of course, neither Canon nor Nikon pays any attention to them because the total impact created by these people outside the forum, artistically or vocally, is ZERO.
Those who know how to use their equipment will continue creating beautiful images making the best of what they have.

I don't need a 50MP camera myself, but I salute human innovation that is always pushing the boundaries. I am sure lots of people will be very happy. Go Canon!

So, I am quite surprised that I'd be lumped into "you guys" and be advised that I "go buy Sony/Nikon/Fuji...".

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Lenses / Re: Have you negotiated your own "street price?"
« on: February 06, 2015, 10:36:11 PM »
Interesting!
Tried this through Greentoe.
By the way, I don't think Adorama and B&H are the ones that offer the truly great street prices. These are some of the lesser known (sometimes completely unknown) authorized dealers, if buyers reports are to be believed. So, maybe scour Canon's list of authorized dealers for unfamiliar names and then start cold-calling them?
Good luck, keep us posted. I am done buying lenses till 2016!!!

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EOS Bodies / Re: DPReview Interview with Chuck Westfall of Canon USA
« on: February 06, 2015, 10:29:43 PM »
The problem is, the camera raises too many questions to be slam dunk, the same way 6D did. It was a great camera that received negative PR due to missing some key features.

And yet...the 6D remains the Top Rated dSLR on Amazon, and is the second-best selling FF dSLR on Amazon (behind the 5DIII).

So you're saying there wasn't any room for improvement? If the 6D was priced $ 100 more and had a few more key video features, or slightly better AF (not all of these, just one) then Canon could have used it to address a niche market in addition to the general entry-level FF market (videographers, action shooters, etc. on a budget). Canon could have done that without cannibalizing 5DIII sales.
If you can keep the bottomline solid AND make inroads for future market development, isn't that better?

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EOS Bodies / Re: DPReview Interview with Chuck Westfall of Canon USA
« on: February 06, 2015, 10:18:05 PM »
I would say Chuck Westfall probably should've prepared better if he really wanted to present the 5Ds in a good light. As far as I can see it, it was not a good idea to compare the dynamic range of the 5Ds with the 5D Mark III, right after the DP Review guy says there has been concerns about that (DR of 5D III). He is just feeding the frenzy here. Similarly, comparing the noise capability of the 5Ds with the 7D II isn't really complementary,the latter being a crop sensor camera. I think on these notes Chuck Westfall could have just said that the 5Ds has competitive dynamic range and noise capability, and let people figure it out for themselves rather than surmising based on his comparisons.
The problem is, the camera raises too many questions to be slam dunk, the same way 6D did. It was a great camera that received negative PR due to missing some key features.
Chuck Westfall was clearly unprepared; when he was asked who would buy 5D Mark III versus a 5Ds,instead of pointing out the target audience for the newer camera and highlighting its strengths, he went on to say that people looking for lowlight performance, high ISO capability and advanced video tools would be looking for 5D Mark III, pointing out the 5Ds' shortcomings. Very odd.

Chuck did a great job and presented the camera in a good, honest and informative fashion.  He's a straight shooter and doesn't play the games that you seem to want him to play.

Please don't be presumptive. I think that his responses in this interview seemed unprepared, and potentially liable to bias people against a new product instead of being objective. Clearly, your standards for good and informative might be different than mine. He does seem like an honest person, I will give you that, and I think he is quite popular for that reason.

For example, he compared the noise levels to the 7DII on the basis of pixel pitch and processor, but when the interviewer asked him why that wouldn't result in better noise performance as the sensor is much larger- he switched to saying cameras are evaluated independently. Fine, then why compare it with the 7DII and mention similar pixel pitch to begin with?

Secondly, if you are asked how the target audience of a new product is different, do you go to great lengths describing the strengths of the old product and its target audience. The interviewer had to specifically ask him again, to get him to talk about the strengths of the 5Ds, which is all he should have been espousing in this interview.

Regarding dynamic range- he says it is comparable to the 5D III. That remains to be seen- but saying that the DR hasn't changed when the interviewer specifically mentions there being concerns about it, was odd. Having said that, this was really a minor point compared to the above two, which seemed like "gaffes".

Say what you will, but I have seen a disconnect between Canon USA and Canon Inc. In a past interview, Chuck Westfall had specifically mentioned that Canon was interested in bringing back AF point illumination in 5DIII through a firmware update (unbidden, he brought it up). However, we haven't seen it yet, have we?

Anyway...

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EOS Bodies / Re: DPReview Interview with Chuck Westfall of Canon USA
« on: February 06, 2015, 08:42:50 PM »
I would say Chuck Westfall probably should've prepared better if he really wanted to present the 5Ds in a good light. As far as I can see it, it was not a good idea to compare the dynamic range of the 5Ds with the 5D Mark III, right after the DP Review guy says there has been concerns about that (DR of 5D III). He is just feeding the frenzy here. Similarly, comparing the noise capability of the 5Ds with the 7D II isn't really complementary,the latter being a crop sensor camera. I think on these notes Chuck Westfall could have just said that the 5Ds has competitive dynamic range and noise capability, and let people figure it out for themselves rather than surmising based on his comparisons.
The problem is, the camera raises too many questions to be slam dunk, the same way 6D did. It was a great camera that received negative PR due to missing some key features.
Chuck Westfall was clearly unprepared; when he was asked who would buy 5D Mark III versus a 5Ds,instead of pointing out the target audience for the newer camera and highlighting its strengths, he went on to say that people looking for lowlight performance, high ISO capability and advanced video tools would be looking for 5D Mark III, pointing out the 5Ds' shortcomings. Very odd.

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Interesting to see the polar opposite opinions.
The ad wasn't terrible, IMO, but definitely not the most compelling by far.
If was the campaign manager, I'd ask them to keep looking for ideas.

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