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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Pulling the trigger on a 6D
« on: Today at 08:28:43 AM »
I have both and my rather random thoughts would as follows:

The 6D is a really good fit in hand, better than the 5D/5DII. Although only slightly smaller it is more 'handy'.

The AF seems to be more precise than the 5D/5DII on all points.

The 6D uses some kind of colour metering whereas the 5DII doesn't. Haven't made my mind up on this yet, it behaves differently to the 5DII in some situation ( bright blue).

The overall 'IQ' is remarkable. There is a subtle improvement in low ISO, very good, film like tonal graduation and greater latitude at both ends of the EVA range. High ISO is astonishing and way ahead of the 5DII from about ISO 800 onwards. Overall I would put the 6D up against an A7r any day, there is not as much practical difference between 20 mp and 36 mp on FF as you may think, and the whole DR range on the 6D is very useable, making real world differences academic most of the time.

The 6D has a polymer top plate which feels identical to the mag alloy top of the 5DII but does get scuffed and scratched more easily as it is relatively soft.

Now the bad bits, at least for me. It uses the 'second tier' userface and ergonomics. The controls work fine per se, but moving between each is annoying, at least for me. However as you have sold your 5DII you won't have this issue. The top command wheel is very softly click stopped, and the rear command wheel is, well to be polite, disappointing after the 5DII. Also the flash compensation has to be done via the main menu although you can assign it to quick menu and then it is quite useable to be fair. So to summarise I'd say it's not as 'positive' on the controls as the 5DII series, but you get used to it and then it works fine.

Thanks! This is great info about the ergonomics. Flash compensation is something I rarely use nowadays, I mainly work in manual flash so it's not an issue. I did notice a slightly less robust feel in the camera shop but the MKII was a brute and it shouldn't be a surprise that the 6D is not as positive as you say in that respect.

I don't really need a rugged camera but as long as it holds up in everyday use I'm OK with that.

I noticed more and more that my camera stayed in M mode and I don't think I ever used the quick menu on it. As long as I can change shutter speed and aperture the same as all Canon cameras I'll be happy!

How's the scroll and pan speed when when you zoom into the preview? The 5DII was slow, as was the 7D before they released the v2 firmware. Does the 6D have that issue or is it running like a greased 7D pig?

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Pulling the trigger on a 6D
« on: Today at 07:14:36 AM »
Hey guys I just sold my 5D MkII as I thought it's time to get in with modern society and get a camera from this era. I hear good things about the 6D. Does anyone want to share their thoughts? Was it as glorious as you imagined or do you wish you had coughed up for a MkIII instead? I'm pretty sure the 6D would be more than enough camera for me until 2020 but still nice to consider other options!

I guess I'm just looking for some encouragement to buy the 6D. Any negatives I should be aware of? Other than losing a megapixel and 1/8000s? (Neither of which I care about). I've played around with the six a few times at a camera store and I think I can get used to the directional pad thingy instead of the joystick. Mostly use centre AF point anyway. I think the MKIII AF would be wasted on me. (I think the 7D AF was wasted on me too!  :P)

I have to admit the Sony a7r does look a bit tempting when you have a vacancy in your DSLR kit.   ;)

Nah, let's not go there.

Any thoughts before I pull the trigger?? Or forever hold your peace?

(Note - I shoot a variety of stuff, most of it doesn't move).


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Lenses / Re: Travel gear thoughts...
« on: October 21, 2014, 08:33:29 AM »
I'm even thinking about taking ONLY my EOS M next trip

Been there, done that. Will NOT do this again. Japan in June/July: I had the 22, and th3 nice small zoom, as well as samyang 14/2.8 and nikkor 50mm 1.4.
All great.. wonderful night shots.. but for general street shooting, I missed way too many opportunities.
As a second body, sure, but never again as the sole option.  During the last few days I was so frustrated that I kept thinking of going to yodobasi and picking up a kiss/rebel to hold me over.
Please explain in detail about "missed the general street shooting". Is it due to shutter lag of the M or the long zoom is too slow, or other reasons. I am thinking about taking the M with 22 and 18-55  and a 90mm Elmer for a long trip. I used to take two crop DSLR bodies and 3 lenses for long trip. But they are getting too heavy for me. Thanks for the advice in advance.

With AF set to the * button you can get back button focus which helps. The M isn't going to win any awards for fast action but if you know it's limitations you can work around them. The touch shutter can also work quite well for sneaky street shots. There is a considerable amount of shutter lag though and if someone is walking towards you or across your path you might miss that shot.

If you really want the speed get the M2. It's dropped in price over here in Japan. Last I saw was ¥48,000 (under $500) body only. I'm sure there are some grey market deals going somewhere.

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Lenses / Re: Travel gear thoughts...
« on: October 21, 2014, 08:20:57 AM »
I'm even thinking about taking ONLY my EOS M next trip

Been there, done that. Will NOT do this again. Japan in June/July: I had the 22, and th3 nice small zoom, as well as samyang 14/2.8 and nikkor 50mm 1.4.
All great.. wonderful night shots.. but for general street shooting, I missed way too many opportunities.
As a second body, sure, but never again as the sole option.  During the last few days I was so frustrated that I kept thinking of going to yodobasi and picking up a kiss/rebel to hold me over.

Street photography can be done with manual only lenses. The limitation isn't the camera ....

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Lenses / Re: Travel gear thoughts...
« on: October 20, 2014, 02:38:26 AM »
What gear I take depends on where I'm travelling to and for how long. For a short trip I try to just take a one lens and body kit like the 24-105L with my 5D2. For longer plans I'll throw in a wide angle too.

The EOS M with 11-22 is giving me really kick ass results these days, so much so that I'm leaving the 17-40L at home most of the time. The little EF M 22mm F/2 takes care of any low light stuff. I'm even thinking about taking ONLY my EOS M next trip and see how things go. I've had it with carrying heavy gear all day long. The M is so refreshing in that respect! Great for walking about a lot and snapping quick shots.

Travel and photography are a frustrating combo for me. I want to enjoy my holiday but I also want great pics during the good light hours. My girlfriend has other plans though! It can be quite stressful! Better to just enjoy the moment I say than worry about gear and lighting.

If you want the best possible pictures - travel alone. All the time in the world to get the shot you want!


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I'm using an iPhone 5 right now. Previously I had a Samsung Galaxy S (the first one!) and the camera on it was OK, nothing great. The iPhone 5 camera was a huge improvement though over the Samsung and I've gotten some pretty decent looking snapshots from it. I use it as a quick snap camera for unimportant things and for office work related stuff. It's quick and easy.

Looking fwd to upgrading to the iPhone 6.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: HTC Introduces a Camera
« on: October 09, 2014, 03:53:43 AM »
I get where they were going with this but seriously it take less than 2 seconds to whip out my iPhone and snap a pic thanks to the quick swipe up camera shortcut (I freakin adore that function!).

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Canon General / Re: seeimpossible.usa.canon.com?
« on: October 07, 2014, 10:30:11 PM »
I think from a marketing point of view it makes perfect sense (though not too sure about the countdown timer!) as they're trying to show the company's products as a whole and more importantly how their products are used by real people. The most sophisticated gear in world doesn't mean jack if I don't know how to take advantage if it. A camera on it's own is useless without a vision of what you want to achieve. In a sense that's what flickr and other photo sharing sites are for me (and most other photogs). But other professions don't really have a source of inspiration like that. Admit it, you'd never try HDR unless you saw an example of it now would you? Some bloke makes a YouTube video on why and how and bam everyone runs out to buy a DSLR. (OK maybe not quite like that!) but you get my point.

And YouTube comments? Nothing but trolls. I've seen downvotes for some heartbreaking vids with nasty comments to match. Do you think Canon stands a chance against those trolls? If Aliens came down to Earth and based their opinions on humanity solely on YouTube comments they would (rightfully) think we are all a bunch of wormholes!

Unfortunately, people get all caught up, thinking Santa is real and is about to bring them a brand new present, then they lose all perspective and start lashing out when it turns out Christmas isn't here yet.



No worries, and thank you for this quote, it gave me a chuckle!  ;D ;D ;D

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Canon General / Re: seeimpossible.usa.canon.com?
« on: October 07, 2014, 10:11:50 PM »
I think from a marketing point of view it makes perfect sense (though not too sure about the countdown timer!) as they're trying to show the company's products as a whole and more importantly how their products are used by real people. The most sophisticated gear in world doesn't mean jack if I don't know how to take advantage if it. A camera on it's own is useless without a vision of what you want to achieve. In a sense that's what flickr and other photo sharing sites are for me (and most other photogs). But other professions don't really have a source of inspiration like that. Admit it, you'd never try HDR unless you saw an example of it now would you? Some bloke makes a YouTube video on why and how and bam everyone runs out to buy a DSLR. (OK maybe not quite like that!) but you get my point.

And YouTube comments? Nothing but trolls. I've seen downvotes for some heartbreaking vids with nasty comments to match. Do you think Canon stands a chance against those trolls? If Aliens came down to Earth and based their opinions on humanity solely on YouTube comments they would (rightfully) think we are all a bunch of wormholes!

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Back up a second. So even if you shoot RAW the histogram in camera is only displaying the color space you've chosen? So does that mean I should set my camera's color space to Adobe RGB just so I get a more accurate histogram?

When you shoot RAW, the camera generates a small JPG preview image that's embedded in the RAW file container.  That image is what you see during the on-camera review, and it's what's used to generate the histogram and highlight warning (blinkies).  All in-camera settings are applied (color space, ALO, picture style, HTP, etc.).

If you don't mind somewhat funky images for on-camera review, you can use UniWB to get a histogram that better approximates the RAW data.

Thanks, I had a brief flirt with video once and became familiar with picture style settings etc and ended on faithful with a low contrast setting. I've also had HTP and ALO off from day one. I think just knowing now that the histogram is for the JPEG preview is enough for me at this stage. I can work with that. Moving forward I think ML will be better.

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Back up a second. So even if you shoot RAW the histogram in camera is only displaying the color space you've chosen? So does that mean I should set my camera's color space to Adobe RGB just so I get a more accurate histogram?

Yes.

This is the kind of thing that enables people to play with the top 5-10% of a systems potential IQ, it is the kind of thing that allows us to up our game in the smallest steps that when put together end up making an intangible but noticeable difference to our output. It is the kind of thing camera testers never have the time to explore, and people who do "comparisons" never evaluate. It s the kind of thing that makes people say "you couldn't do that to mine" or "my XXX was a dud, because it's files never looked like that".

Every single RAW file I ever shot starts with an underscore.

I can't say it's ever been an issue for me to have an accurate histo. I usually just expose to the right but lately I was wondering about this kinda thing and it makes so much sense now after reading that link about RAW histograms. Damn, why don't Canon put that feature in their cameras by default?!! WHY?! I feel like I just had one of them lightbulb moments!

Finally, this topic is paying off! Woohoo!!

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Back up a second. So even if you shoot RAW the histogram in camera is only displaying the color space you've chosen? So does that mean I should set my camera's color space to Adobe RGB just so I get a more accurate histogram?

I have also noticed the default conversion in LR seems to clip earlier than some of the others like Faithful or Neutral. I feel like I should be tinkering with that in some way to maximize latitude. For most of my stuff the highlight slider takes care of my DR needs. It's hard to gauge just how far to ettr without ML. I had it on the M but it got buggy with the EF-M 11-22mm lens for some reason so now I'm just doing without. Maybe I should install it on the 5D2. Not sure I need all those features but this RAW histogram thing has got me re-interested.  ???
This is worth reading:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=12096.0

Thank you for this. When I started looking into ML I couldn't find a detailed explanation of all the features. Now I know what the numbers mean!

Bookmarkin this!

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Back up a second. So even if you shoot RAW the histogram in camera is only displaying the color space you've chosen? So does that mean I should set my camera's color space to Adobe RGB just so I get a more accurate histogram?

I have also noticed the default conversion in LR seems to clip earlier than some of the others like Faithful or Neutral. I feel like I should be tinkering with that in some way to maximize latitude. For most of my stuff the highlight slider takes care of my DR needs. It's hard to gauge just how far to ettr without ML. I had it on the M but it got buggy with the EF-M 11-22mm lens for some reason so now I'm just doing without. Maybe I should install it on the 5D2. Not sure I need all those features but this RAW histogram thing has got me re-interested.  ???

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Canon General / Re: seeimpossible.usa.canon.com?
« on: October 06, 2014, 08:01:32 PM »
Times up. Is that page meant to show something??

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Canon General / Re: seeimpossible.usa.canon.com?
« on: October 05, 2014, 09:10:50 PM »
Sounds like some kind of motivational seminar. It's probably related to an event where they'll have tutorials and workshops. I really doubt any hardware other than a white rebel or a new handbag.  :P

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