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EOS Bodies / Re: Poll: Would you buy a high MP Canon EOS 5DIV?
« on: September 29, 2014, 12:03:08 PM »
The interesting question for me would be if Canon came up with a new camera line for high resolution should it be priced above or below the 5D line?

Since Nikon is undercutting Canon's current prices (in fact the new Nikon D750 looks very much like a strong 5DIII competitor on the specs and only costs 2.300$) Canon could hardly bring anything on the market with much less than 36 MP costing much more than 3.300$ without getting flak for being either under-performing or over-priced.

If Canon brings us a 8.000$ camera as their answer to Nikon's 3.300$ D810 I for one would "save" the money, buy a D750 and D810 and use the balance to sell my current Canon line-up for Nikon's equivalent. YMMV.
Are they?
It was not a general comment - if you care to read the original post (which you seem not to have done)

I specifically answered to how current Nikon models compare with the 5DIII and what this may indicate for the price of a possible high MP Canon 5DIV - where I pointed to the fact that the Nikon D750 which is very closely specked to match the 5DIII is far cheaper (also in Japan) while the D810 obviously has the MP the 5DIII does not. Leading to my conclusion that "Canon could hardly bring anything on the market with much less than 36 MP costing much more than 3.300$ without getting flak for being either under-performing or over-priced."

[Apart from that Amazon.jp is not a good place to get current info on Japanese camera and lens prices as their prices sometimes are far from the best.]

Well of course the D750 is cheaper than the 5DIII, it's about 18 months late to the game.  :P  if it were priced same as the 5DIII no one would buy it. Plus those who waited have already bought a perfectly good D800, D800E, D810 or even made do with a D610. So now this comes along and has to compete with all that so it's priced to match.

So you are judging the future price of a mythical camera on the difference between these two cameras?? And you jumped to the conclusion that it would be $8000?? That don't add up at all. Based on the difference between the D750 and 5DIII the high megapixel Canon offering would be about $700 or $800 more than what the (then old) D8xx would be. New vs old? Hmmm, Well that seems reasonable, don't you think?


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I really screwed up my knee, and weather is blowing in rather fiercely now. I can hardly walk, so hiking up to my landscape spots (Long Lake is a great one, but it's a decent hike up past Brainard Lake, which is a nice area...and I can't take any hikes like that now. :().

I'll see what I can do about getting some more demonstration shots.  Given the tone of this thread, I don't think it will matter much...same old stuff, same old retorts, same old nastiness. I simply set out to demonstrate the differences, as best as possible...which required an extreme situation. It doesn't matter if you always do a 5-stop push, even with a one or two stop push, the differences can be realized.

I'm pretty dismayed at some of the insults being thrown, not even at myself, it's just not necessary (Sporgon!) We can be civil about this issue.

Take it easy man, you don't need to prove anything. I appreciate that you've tried to demonstrate the differences in this thread. I understand that it's important to some and less to others. It's good to see for ourselves so thanks for sharing samples. Hope you get better soon!

Btw - I downloaded the sample from the a7r but I guess Lr 4 can't open the file, (doh! moment) so for me none of this is relevant! I don't even know what I'm missing out on!  :P (I'm sure it would be glorious!)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Poll: Would you buy a high MP Canon EOS 5DIV?
« on: September 28, 2014, 09:44:30 PM »
The interesting question for me would be if Canon came up with a new camera line for high resolution should it be priced above or below the 5D line?

Since Nikon is undercutting Canon's current prices (in fact the new Nikon D750 looks very much like a strong 5DIII competitor on the specs and only costs 2.300$) Canon could hardly bring anything on the market with much less than 36 MP costing much more than 3.300$ without getting flak for being either under-performing or over-priced.

If Canon brings us a 8.000$ camera as their answer to Nikon's 3.300$ D810 I for one would "save" the money, buy a D750 and D810 and use the balance to sell my current Canon line-up for Nikon's equivalent. YMMV.

Are they? I don't think so. Definitely not in Japan. D610 is the same price as the 6D, the D810 is more than the 5D3 and D4s is also way more than a 1DX (also see CR latest post about discounted 1DX offers). Maybe it's different in other countries - I wouldn't know but undercutting sounds like BS to me. 

Source - amazon.jp

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It surprises me that no-one has tried to put a Sony sensor into a Canon 5d3 and make the perfect camera.
Swapping engines and transmissions in cars is not uncommon, so why not swap sensors in cameras?

I don't think it's a simple as changing a lens or a focusing screen. The sensor is the guts of the camera and it's hard wired in. I'd imagine Sony uses completely different components than Canon so you can't just stick it on and expect it to work. Then you need to programme the digic processor to work with the new sensor. So you'd need the electrical engineering skills from both Sony and Canon plus the coding skills of the ML team to stand a chance. How many attempts would it even take? Do you wanna buy a bunch of $3000 cameras just so you can play Dr Frankenstein with them?

I bet there is some lunatic out there that is probably doing this very thing as I type this!

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Why haven't you left canon?
« on: September 27, 2014, 10:54:42 AM »
1 Image quality most times absolutely sufficient for MY purposes
2 Very good lenses in terms of the "right IQ" as a combination of all parameters
3 Ergonomics and knowledge of its ergonomics
4 Magic Lantern - compatibility: Using FD* lenses on EF-M mount via adaptor (or EF mount after conversion) with ML focus assist systems is easy!



* Just exploring the FD 1.4 50 S.S.C. - not an OTUS but very good just at f/1.4 and excellent from f/2.8 with EOS M (equivalent to 50MPix on full frame!)

Are you using anything special for the  FD - M mount? I have a large collection of FD lenses that are crying out to do something useful and I have an M. I know there are a million FD - M convertors on eBay and most are pretty cheap and there is no glass or real engineering in them, so just wondered if you had a recommendation.

I'm using the Fotasay one, got it off ebay as I couldn't find it on amzaon.jp (really sucks for that kinda stuff over here). Quite good quality for the price. Have nothing to compare it with though!

http://www.amazon.com/Fotasy-AEMFD-Mirrorless-Camera-Adapter/dp/B00ACYTWFI

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Why haven't you left canon?
« on: September 27, 2014, 09:48:31 AM »
I don't feel the need to switch at all. If I did buy into another system it would only be to compliment my Canon gear like buying a A7r for example. Everything I have works perfectly, I don't think any of my Canon gear has ever let me down. Very reliable, frustration free, easy to navigate menus and beautiful ergonomics. Why would I give that up?

I think the 7D is what really got me hooked, just loved that thing when I first got it. Then the feeling of owning my first L lens too. Not sure Nikon would be able to fulfill my lens lust tbh! I have an amazon wish list specifically for Canon superteles just to look at and admire! (Don't judge me!).

More recently the EOS M + 11-22mm lens has rekindled my love for photography. And the 22mm pancake is awesome at parties and small events.




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EOS Bodies / Re: Poll: Would you buy a high MP Canon EOS 5DIV?
« on: September 27, 2014, 02:51:06 AM »
It doesn't matter what I want. The 5D III was targeted to wedding and event photographers and its features have made it a must have among that group, by giving them a competitive advantage over photographers not using the 5D III. In contrast the Nikon 800 series has struggled to find an audience because it's features simply aren't targetted to a clear audience of significant size.

I am guessing that Canon will not abandon that audience but rather try to develop features that continues to give wedding and event photographers using canon a competitive advantage. It seems to me the biggest problem these photographers have today is that brides want pictures up on Facebook immediately (as in before the ceremony ends) and their friends can do it with their cellphones more quickly than the person they are paying to shoot the wedding can do it. The first manufacturer who can help pro photographers get images posted to social media as quickly and seamlessly as the wedding guest using an iPhone will have a winner in the marketplace. That's the sort of thing that will sell cameras, not megapixels, dynamic range, etc.

People on this forum can continue to whine, but it's that ability to help photographers meet the demands of their customers that should be the primary goal of Canon or any other company. That means integrated wifi, that is intuitive and quick, most likely with a touch screen interface and maybe even a simple photo editing program built into the camera's software.

That would be pretty sweet if it could give you a share option when you're in the image preview screen. Or a dedicated share button that brings up a submenu with facebook or whatever when the camera is connected to a wifi hotspot or tethered to your phone. That way you could be shooting RAW files and be sharing select jpegs on the go. That would also mean people that aren't there get to see the highlights or BTS shots of an event as it happens.

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I'm actually glad Canon aren't using Sony sensors for their DSLRs (and EOS M). Would we have had DPAF if they had given up and said "Ah, forget it. We suck at making sensors, let's just use Sony's."?

For compact cameras most consumers don't give a s___ so yeah stick a bunch of Sony sensors in those lines, what have you got to lose? Canon compact die hard fanboys??  :o yeah I don't think so!

It was probably cheaper to just buy the 1" sensor from Sony anyway. Makes sense. Now Canon have a competitor to the RX100 line using Sony's own sensor against them! Ha!  :P

I do think Canon need to buckle down and sort out their high end sensors though. If they think they're the best in the world they have a very inflated view of their technology or they are completely ignorant. Instead of milking their current sensors to death it's high time they put some of that R&D time into keeping up with the competition. They're not far behind now but interviews like the one posted by DP review are not encouraging at all.

I think someone in head office is keeping a tight grip of the purse strings. Or they've locked up their engineers. Let them loose! Let them create!! Ugh! Having lived in Japan and worked for a Japanese company for over 4 years I see a lot of similarities in the style of business here. Innovation is just not recognized, nurtured or rewarded well. It's a lot of recycling old crap and maximizing what you have.

At least Samsung are trying. (Yes, I know they're a Korean company).

I should add - I respect Sony, as a Japanese company, throwing all kinds a new stuff our way (some of it half baked) but still exciting and fun. Great sensors but they have the worst menu systems and crap ergonomics. They're PC and TV business is dead and they can't think of decent names for consoles other than numbers but I love them for pushing the boundaries. Someone one at Canon has got to notice that and call in some reinforcements (people with creativity? ). Right??





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EOS Bodies / Re: Poll: Would you buy a high MP Canon EOS 5DIV?
« on: September 26, 2014, 11:35:20 AM »
I'm holding out for a 5DIV in the hopes of it having significantly better IQ over the MkII that I have. Not concerned with megapixels at this moment in my photographic life. The 20 or so that I have now seems to work just fine, I would be fine with something like 24MP. Anything more would mean upgrading my laptop, software and getting more HD's etc etc.


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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: POLL: What's more important, gps or wifi?
« on: September 23, 2014, 12:45:33 PM »
I don't want or need WiFi but I understand the use for it so I won't begrudge anyone who wants it. As for GPS, I'd want that but we've all seen how poor Canon's GPS implementation has always been. Craptastic at best. What I'd really like to see is Direct transfer of files via USB to my smartphone. Phones can get 128GB of MicroSD storage and have beefy quad-core CPUs, so why not? It would certainly be faster than WiFi. Another option would be USB2Go drives that could plug into a Canon camera and the camera would transfer the files to the flash drive.

You can transfer from camera to iPad using the USB connector cable but it's really slow when transferring full size RAW files. I haven't tried WiFi (my cameras sadly don't have WiFi) to compare. Maybe someone else can quote times. I'd imagine a phone to be just as slow via cable if it were possible. I use Sandisk Extreme Pro SD cards so not sure where the slowdown is occuring.

I guess having the option to send images via cable to a phone direct would be nice. Surely some Android phones can do this, no?

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: POLL: What's more important, gps or wifi?
« on: September 23, 2014, 02:49:31 AM »
You missed another option:  Don't give a damn about either of them.

I have GPS in my Car and My phone why do I need another one in my camera.  What's next one in my shoes?

WiFi Not sure why I need that in a camera either.
Hi,
    Sometime, I also wonder this when I wear my watch... my phone got clock, my camera got clock, my GPS unit got clock and even my bluetooth earpiece also got clock, so why am I wearing the watch??? Ha ha ha ;D ;D ;D Hmm... May be the only reason I can think of why I wear my watch is that the battery life of my watch outlast all the above device as the watch had auto solar cell charging (basically will last as long as the watch is working), so if one day I forgot to charge all the above device, I still had my watch... ha ha ha

   Have a nice day.

The watch is just a quick glance away compared to other devices such as your phone which could be in a pocket. Though i think habit has a lot to do with it. Even with my phone in my hand, sitting on a train, I always instinctvely glance at my watch to check the time so I don't miss my stop.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Sigma Opens Up About Their Roadmap
« on: September 22, 2014, 12:12:27 PM »
A 24-70 f/2 would be very nice!

i understand that it is very difficult, but i don't know why.  i know that a 24-70 1.4 would be everyone's dream lens, and i know that it probably won't ever happen.  is that solely because of the size and weight (and cost) that the lens would be, or is it just too difficult/impossible to do?

It's likely possible to make it but IQ would probably suck. Just look at what it takes to make a decent 50mm f/1.4 that's sharp wide open and has minimal CA etc. now try and imagine the complexities of achieving that over a focal range from very wide to short telephoto. With all the extra glass to correct the aberrations it would make it really heavy too. So you'd have a large, heavy, (prob) slow AF zoom lens that's overpriced and performs quite poorly. Doesn't sound like any dream lens I want. There have to be compromises and I guess they're trying to find that sweet spot. Maybe it's f/2 or maybe f/2.8? Who knows, at least they're trying and that's the real exciting part!   

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EOS Bodies / Re: Am I the only one excited about the new 7D mk2?
« on: September 22, 2014, 12:00:20 PM »
For what it is I think it will be a great camera.  Personally I am still hoping for a true 1D4 successor with a 1.6x crop -- that is integrated grip, weather sealing, build, 1 Series focus drive / response and shorter viewfinder blackout but with a crop sensor for wildlife work in nasty weather.  Not sure I'd trust the build of the 7D II to stand up to really adverse conditions.
Did you ever see the torture test that Digital Rev did on the original 7D?  It was very tough so with even better sealing on the MKII, it should stand up to just about anything.
That does not give you the 1 body though and speaking of, why not a one body crop?  Too low demand I would guess but I don't know.
As far as my excitement, when I saw the button layout being like the 5d MKIII I was very interested.

I really loved the bit where they froze the 7D in a block of ice, thawed it out and continued shooting (though it was probably busted but still impressive that it fired up at all!).

So yeah, the mark II should be as hard as nails. Unless you are going swimming in molten lava with one, I think it'll be just fine  ;)

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Tamron 15-30mm f/2.8 VC Gets First Test
« on: September 22, 2014, 11:48:55 AM »
I know this sounds a little weird, but using my Sigma 15mm f/2.8 fisheye has almost totally eliminated my desire for an ultrawide.  I rarely use my 17-40L anymore, and I think this lens is in the same category.  The fish is great optically, and defishing is so easy in Lightroom now that I can do it with no effort when I want a rectilinear image.  Yeah, I lose a lot of pixels when cropping to 15mm or 24mm equivalent (half and three-quarters, respectively) but I rarely find that to be a problem, and I can usually overlap with my standard zoom (starting at 24mm) when I really do need the pixels.

I'm currently considering selling all my lenses but two, and those two are the 70-200/2.8L IS II and the Sigma 15mm fisheye.  I'd be replacing that middle range with either the Tamron 24-70/2.8VC or the rumored Sigma 24-70/2 OS.

I'm the same but only with the SY 14mm. Coupled to a standard zoom it's a very light and capable combo. I hardly ever use the 17-40L now and for my last vacation I didn't even bother taking it. You're right about the cropping, taking it down to about 17mm from 14mm isn't a problem at all. Between 17mm and 24mm I don't find much going on. Either I want ultra wide, or wide.

I did find IS quite useful on the EF-M 11-22 lens and I'm very curious about this new Tamron vs the 16-35 IS. What I found about the IS was that I kept wanting a third point of contact (my eye socket) to stabilize it further. But even without it was possible to get an acceptably sharp shot at 1s.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Am I the only one excited about the new 7D mk2?
« on: September 22, 2014, 03:24:07 AM »
I feel as if (and this only my opinion which is worthless) the ones doing the crying are not the people who the 7DII is aimed for.

You have landscapers moaning about only 20Mpix and the usual DR nonsense.

Then you have videographers banging on about the lack of 4K.

Meanwhile sports / wildlife photographers are quietly pre-ordering. If I was a sports photographer I'd be pretty excited to have the 7D II either as a back up or main camera. I have a feeling once some solid reviews come around and people get to feel how easy the camera is to work with (loved my 7D ergonomics) things will calm down.

I thought the 7D was an amazing camera but on paper when it was compared to say a 60D there didn't seem to be all that much different. Once you actually use the 7D you start to realize that it's a beast and is built to last. The IQ was it's Achilles heel but hopefully that issue will be addressed to a satisfactory level and what we'll get is a highly refined machine! 

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