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EOS-M / Re: Where is the M-3 with the dual pixel sensor!!!!
« on: May 05, 2014, 12:47:44 PM »
Take your pick of currently available systems from Fujifilm, Sony, Olympus, Canon or Nikon. Loads of MILCs to choose from. Why wait for some mythical M3 that will prob never see a US or Europe release?

The current gear available today is more than good enough. The only limitation is the photographer.

In my opinion your last sentences are mostly true.

I love my EOS M because it has two real advantages:
  - small and lightweight
  - standard zoom is much better than the equivalent standard zoom for DSLRs

O.k., manual mode is awkward in terms of control, an EVF would be very helpful.

But: Give that camera
  - a control wheel near the shutter release button (e.g. for exp time) and
  - a second control wheel concentrically to the lens mount (e.g. for aperture) (like S95 etc.) and
  - an ISO wheel +
  - a tiny LCD which shows just aperture, exp time, ISO and remaining shots/minutes.
  - a larger battery (with it's compartment acting as substantial hand grip)
and that camera is a winner for a lot of people - for these who enjoy photographic tools and are willing to pay e.g. 1000 $/€ for such a body. And it might be a winner for Canon: Advertising for a series of feature oriented EOS M like bodies (larger display, Wifi, 2nd display for selfies, etc.)

For me EOS M has replaced the S95 successfully as "always with me"-camera with extended capabilities and much better image quality especially at ISO bigger/equal than 400 ASA.

Me too. I take it places I wouldn't normally take my DSLR. Even with just the 22mm f/2 it's very versatile but the fact that you can stick all kinds of lenses on it via an adaptor makes it even more fun!

I kind of see it's shortcomings as a challenge. I say to myself "hey I wonder if I can do such and such with only my EOS M". I've tried off camera flash with it, a bit of macro, long exposures, events, holidays ... the list goes on. Each time it performs better than I expected it would. As a second camera for Canon shooters it rocks!

Regarding ISO - you can change the trash can button (down press) to bring up the ISO menu and use the wheel to change it.

I wish you could remap the movie rec. button though, that one seems like it should have had a dual purpose. I'm thinking back button focus would have been sweet!

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EOS-M / Re: Where is the M-3 with the dual pixel sensor!!!!
« on: May 05, 2014, 12:32:58 PM »
Take your pick of currently available systems from Fujifilm, Sony, Olympus, Canon or Nikon. Loads of MILCs to choose from. Why wait for some mythical M3 that will prob never see a US or Europe release?

The current gear available today is more than good enough. The only limitation is the photographer.

wrong. dead wrong.
The current MIRRORLESS gear is nowhere near "good enough". Most definitely not the Canon EOS-M and M2.

Not good enough in terms of AF speed and performance. Only 2 MILCs are currently equipped with a remotely tracking-capable AF system - Fuji XT-1 and Nikon 1, but the latter has way too small a sensor.
Not good enough in terms EVF - resolution, color, lag ... while better than before, still suck, even in the best MILCs (Fuji XT-1).   
Not good enough in terms of shutter - not one MILC with a fully electronic global shutter yet. 100% silent. 100% free of vibrations. And X-Sync all the way to 1/8000s.
Not one MILC good enough in terms of battery charge ... 500 shots plus.

I also want a compact Canon EOS M3 with a better sensor, fully tracking-capable AF [@ 5+ fps], state of the art Retina-EVF and decent battery charge for 500+ shots.  At a reasonable price - meaning 100 USD€ less than the cheapest comparable mirrorslapper.

Nothing will ever be good enough for you! We've heard this rant a million times.  ::)

If you can't take a decent picture with current technology you are doing something terribly wrong with it. I didn't say the current MILCs were ideal for things like the Olympic games or chasing down wild animals on a safari but for the average use it is more than capable.

Heck even an iPhone is good enough for some really skillful photographers (I am not one of them and I need DSLR, I'm not afraid to admit that even then I kinda suck sometimes  :P )

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Software & Accessories / Re: Microfibre Cloths for Lens Cleaning
« on: May 04, 2014, 09:36:36 PM »
I'm with Rusty on this one. I've dropped my paranoia level a few notches. If conditions require it I'll go out with a UV filter / hood. After I come home I'll give my lens a little dust off.

My cleaning method is just to use a rocket blower, followed by a soft lens brush and if necessary I'll go in with the microfibre cloth. Very rarely use any cleaning fluid. Lenses are not that diffucult to clean. It's those damn CPL filters that are impossible to desmudge!

Btw - what's wrong with putting the microfibre cloth in the washing machine? What happens to it?

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EOS-M / Re: Where is the M-3 with the dual pixel sensor!!!!
« on: May 04, 2014, 11:37:40 AM »
Take your pick of currently available systems from Fujifilm, Sony, Olympus, Canon or Nikon. Loads of MILCs to choose from. Why wait for some mythical M3 that will prob never see a US or Europe release?

The current gear available today is more than good enough. The only limitation is the photographer.

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Although I would love to have seen Canon put focus peaking in as standard on the EOS M I think their reasoning behind not including it is simply because the vast majority of people using it would not be using manual focus lenses with it. It's very much a consumer level camera aimed at the amateur. Most of whom will just use the kit lens. To be fair for static subjects you can easily just tap the zoom button to help focus. Focus peaking is more for useful for video. I have ML installed and after the initial "wow - focus peaking!!" moment I haven't really needed it, and I have two FD leneses that I regularly use with it. For me the Magic Zoom function is better especially in bright sunlight.

Aside from all that, don't you think focus peaking can be rather tricky to master?  In my experience it works most reliably on fairly simple subjects that are fairly close; but if you have, say, a building 100 yards away with a large tree close in front of it, and want to focus on one rather than the other, good luck - all of it will likely get focus peaking and you may get an unpleasant surprise when you examine the result.  Magnification is more reliable (though it's nice if they're combined - a sort of belt-and-suspenders combination that works rather well on the Sony A7s, at least (perhaps others too, I can't remember).   

Hmmm ... Yeah it is a bit tricky. I have a trick for focus peaking - I put the camera into a monochrome picture style so that it's easier to see the focus peaking colors. The extra contrast helps determine where the peak is.

In the situation you mentioned are you using a wide aperture? I'd imagine if the objects are that far away it would be quite hard to do selective focus. Usually in that type of scene I'm using hyperfocus as I want the tree AND the building in focus. It's only for relatively close subjects and wide apertures that I would consider using a focusing aid.

For moving subjects I tend to use the focus scale to set the focus at a pre determined length (say 3 meters for instance) I then wait for the subject to get close to that distance and then fire away. A bit like trap focus, which you can do with ML too. I did that for a St. Patrick's day parade and it worked well. I'm always aware of subject distance and try and keep the focus ring at a distance that is relative so I only need to move it a little.

I guess after a while you get a feel for manual focus and it's really only super critical stuff where I need the focus peaking. I also think you end up missing the moment if you are bogged down looking at a screen all the time.

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Myself, I am wildly impressed with Sony's offerings.

I like that you were so wildly impressed that you returned the camera.    :o


You'll note I did the same to Canon. =)

It's pretty simple: the technology is *easily* available and I am tired of paying for sideways upgrades. Ergonomics, lack of touchscreen and wired tethering were the tipping points for me to take the camera back because it does me little good to wrestle with it. I will point out that I have almost the exact same complaints about Canon, and any existing vendor.

This does not detract from the simple fact that it takes absolutely amazing pictures. The sensor is absolutely phenomenal, but I won't use it because the ergonomics and layout of the device is counterintuitive and arduous. It does little good that it takes great pics when I have to spend so much time setting up each shot.

I am one of those 'crazies' that supposedly doesn't exist: I want a mirrorless full frame camera with touch screen, ideally articulated, and wired tethering. Hot shoe, lens adapter compatability, focus peaking and speedbooster. When you compare my wants with existing systems, the only two that really come close are Sony A7 and EOS M.

The Sony A7 is MUCH closer, but touchscreen won out, what can I say. Keep in mind that Magic Lantern helped to make that decision, which is really another strike against Canon. How the hell can you not have focus peaking standard is beyond me.

I don't understand why people love to hate all over such a camera, often spouting doom filled prophecies of non existence and outrageous expense, but the second it's out (regardless of vendor) that's what I'll be getting. =)

This is not an unreasonable request, and frankly I am truly shocked/disappointed it's not already available.

Although I would love to have seen Canon put focus peaking in as standard on the EOS M I think their reasoning behind not including it is simply because the vast majority of people using it would not be using manual focus lenses with it. It's very much a consumer level camera aimed at the amateur. Most of whom will just use the kit lens. To be fair for static subjects you can easily just tap the zoom button to help focus. Focus peaking is more for useful for video. I have ML installed and after the initial "wow - focus peaking!!" moment I haven't really needed it, and I have two FD leneses that I regularly use with it. For me the Magic Zoom function is better especially in bright sunlight.

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http://store.sony.com/sony-alpha-77-m2-dslr-zid27-ILCA77M2/cat-27-catid-All-Alpha-77-Cameras

Sony just release what appears to be an awesome camera, especially for the price. I am committed to Canon myself, but I think some people are starting to think about switching because these others like Sony are upping the quality of their products.

Canon doesn't have anything close to the 24mp,  79 AF points and 12 FPS...especially under $1500.

Curious to see what everyone else's thoughts are on this new Sony and where you think Canon falls within the competition.

Maybe you should switch. Sony sure could use your help by the looks of things ...

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-27234511

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EOS Bodies / Re: New Sensor Technology Coming From Canon? [CR1]
« on: April 29, 2014, 11:27:07 AM »
OK, this is a very unscientific, quick and dirty photoshop effort using the camera compare link and superimposing two images to see if the sensor from the a7r would fit inside an EOS M.

The two mounts seemed to almost line up perfectly. Intriguing.

taken from this link - http://camerasize.com/compact/#487,351,325,466,459,ha,f

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EOS Bodies / Re: New Sensor Technology Coming From Canon? [CR1]
« on: April 29, 2014, 11:04:27 AM »
Not sure this can even be answered yet but if Canon came out with a full frame EOS-M version, would they need to change to a new lens mount as well? Could the EF-M still be used?

EF- M mount can't be used for FF unfortunately. Too small. Likely they'd create a mirrorless camera with the regular EF mount instead.

This is widely stated, but I can't see that the EF-M mount is much different in dimensions to the Sony E mount; I know that E mount is tight for full frame, but it is still possible. I'm struggling to find the technical specifications, but here's a comparison (assuming the scaling is correct) -measure for yourself:

http://camerasize.com/compact/#487,351,325,466,459,ha,f

EF-M is pretty similar to E-mount in its internal diameter and a bit larger than either X-mount or micro 4/3rds. We also know that the flange back distance is the same as E-mount (18mm, vs 44mm for regular EF).

I'm not saying that this proves EF-M is compatible with full frame sensors, nor that Canon would have any near term plans to produce a full frame mirrorless camera if it were, but it would be a bit strange if they happened to make it so similar in size to E-mount and it not be FF capable. They must have had some idea that Sony were interested in making a FF E-mount camera. I believe that FF probably is possible with EF-M mount, if nothing else then to cover that base for the future. Of course, Canon would never admit that now whilst it is still trying to push their FF DSLRs!

As for a mirrorless camera with an EF mount: it's possible but not with a reduced flange back distance, or they'd create all sorts of lens compatibility confusion!

According to Canon's full frame white paper, the diagonal measurement of a FF sensor is 43.3mm  The measured inner diameter of the lens mount opening on the EOS M, accounting for the bayonet protrusions, is 43mm.  For comparison, the measured inner diameter for the EF mount opening is 51mm.

Having said that, the Sony a7 mount opening appears to 'clip the corners' of the sensor, and is quite similar in size to the EOS M's opening.

So with the Sony a7r, do the clipped corners affect the image in anyway? Surely not since no one has reported black corners. How does that work then? Is the entire sensor area not used then? That would mean in reality a sensor size slightly smaller than FF, prob negligible though overall?

If that's the case then perhaps a FF sensor could be squeezed into the M mount then with a tiny bit of cropping. Or Canon could make a completely new sensor that is almost FF in size and fits perfectly (seems unlikely in terms of maximizing profits).

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EOS Bodies / Re: New Sensor Technology Coming From Canon? [CR1]
« on: April 29, 2014, 08:22:08 AM »
Not sure this can even be answered yet but if Canon came out with a full frame EOS-M version, would they need to change to a new lens mount as well? Could the EF-M still be used?

EF- M mount can't be used for FF unfortunately. Too small. Likely they'd create a mirrorless camera with the regular EF mount instead.

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EOS-M / Re: EOS M Lens survey - your favorites, and your most wanted?
« on: April 26, 2014, 06:54:44 AM »
OK so I finally received my Fotga 10mm and 16mm extension tubes today! They look and feel OK, a bit light and plasticky but the finish is close to the EOS M's. Mounts nicely with no play.

I did a quick test mainly with the 10mm tube since it was easier to find things to fit the frame. I'm new to macro so getting the focus right took time. However, it was a lot of fun for such a minuscule price!

Here's a couple of shots with the 10mm tube and 22mm f/2. One is the zipper from my water flask and the other is a scrabble tile. Both lit by a small flashlight.

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Canon General / Re: $10,000
« on: April 25, 2014, 09:44:15 PM »
1DX
16-35L f/2.8
Two more Einsteins w/Paul Buff Pocket Wizard trigger modules (For a total of 5 in my kit)


Or bank the $10k and wait for the remaining funds for the 200-400L

Either way, my needs are pretty narrow at this point...along the lines of gold plating the hammer.

What does this have to do with the OP?? Yes, you have spent $10k but how does one shoot an event or even a simple portrait session with only one UWA zoom lens? Two "more" Einsteins? We are starting from scratch!  ::)

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Canon General / Re: $10,000
« on: April 25, 2014, 11:35:41 AM »
I think some folk here are forgetting the original brief laid out by the OP - to come up with a "Jack of all trades" kit with $10,000, not their wish list!

I think the problem here is that $10,000 is just too much. Let's try with just $1000  :o

Used 60D + 18-135mm kit lens
Nifty fifty or shorty Mcforty brand new because they cost peanuts
Extension tubes of an ebay shop in HK
A Yongnuo flash or two (no trigger needed due to optical slave mode)
Used Manfrotto 190XPROB from someone who has realized they shoulda bought a carbon fibre one.
Some home made reflectors, snoots and grids.
A decent memory card and a spare battery.

And the rest on bus fare to get around.





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Canon General / Re: $10,000
« on: April 24, 2014, 07:33:37 PM »
The kit I have now is fairly versatile but if I were to start from scratch I might go with -

5DIII (just under $3000)
24-70LII ($2000)
70-200II ($2000 ish)
100L (under $1000)
Samyang 14mm f/2.8 ($300)
1.4x extender ($400)

Tripod and other accessories with the rest.

Hmmm now I think about it this is what I should probably aim towards!

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I'll just wait until my copy arrives, and test myself. But I'll try it in store and if my results matches those Bryan had, I'm not buying it... Plain and simple. There are endless discussions over the Sigma AF, and when people refuses to realize there is an issue it's no point. If there are great or horrible results, I'll be sure to post my findings and dilbert won't believe them.

Just tell me in advance, how do you propose to do determine the correct AFMA setting for the lens whilst you're in the store?

I think he'll be looking for inconsistency in AF altogether rather than consistently missing by the same margin every time.

AFMA can't solve your AF issues if the thing is all over the place.

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