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Canon General / Re: seeimpossible.usa.canon.com?
« on: October 07, 2014, 10:11:50 PM »
I think from a marketing point of view it makes perfect sense (though not too sure about the countdown timer!) as they're trying to show the company's products as a whole and more importantly how their products are used by real people. The most sophisticated gear in world doesn't mean jack if I don't know how to take advantage if it. A camera on it's own is useless without a vision of what you want to achieve. In a sense that's what flickr and other photo sharing sites are for me (and most other photogs). But other professions don't really have a source of inspiration like that. Admit it, you'd never try HDR unless you saw an example of it now would you? Some bloke makes a YouTube video on why and how and bam everyone runs out to buy a DSLR. (OK maybe not quite like that!) but you get my point.

And YouTube comments? Nothing but trolls. I've seen downvotes for some heartbreaking vids with nasty comments to match. Do you think Canon stands a chance against those trolls? If Aliens came down to Earth and based their opinions on humanity solely on YouTube comments they would (rightfully) think we are all a bunch of wormholes!

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Back up a second. So even if you shoot RAW the histogram in camera is only displaying the color space you've chosen? So does that mean I should set my camera's color space to Adobe RGB just so I get a more accurate histogram?

When you shoot RAW, the camera generates a small JPG preview image that's embedded in the RAW file container.  That image is what you see during the on-camera review, and it's what's used to generate the histogram and highlight warning (blinkies).  All in-camera settings are applied (color space, ALO, picture style, HTP, etc.).

If you don't mind somewhat funky images for on-camera review, you can use UniWB to get a histogram that better approximates the RAW data.

Thanks, I had a brief flirt with video once and became familiar with picture style settings etc and ended on faithful with a low contrast setting. I've also had HTP and ALO off from day one. I think just knowing now that the histogram is for the JPEG preview is enough for me at this stage. I can work with that. Moving forward I think ML will be better.

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Back up a second. So even if you shoot RAW the histogram in camera is only displaying the color space you've chosen? So does that mean I should set my camera's color space to Adobe RGB just so I get a more accurate histogram?

Yes.

This is the kind of thing that enables people to play with the top 5-10% of a systems potential IQ, it is the kind of thing that allows us to up our game in the smallest steps that when put together end up making an intangible but noticeable difference to our output. It is the kind of thing camera testers never have the time to explore, and people who do "comparisons" never evaluate. It s the kind of thing that makes people say "you couldn't do that to mine" or "my XXX was a dud, because it's files never looked like that".

Every single RAW file I ever shot starts with an underscore.

I can't say it's ever been an issue for me to have an accurate histo. I usually just expose to the right but lately I was wondering about this kinda thing and it makes so much sense now after reading that link about RAW histograms. Damn, why don't Canon put that feature in their cameras by default?!! WHY?! I feel like I just had one of them lightbulb moments!

Finally, this topic is paying off! Woohoo!!

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Back up a second. So even if you shoot RAW the histogram in camera is only displaying the color space you've chosen? So does that mean I should set my camera's color space to Adobe RGB just so I get a more accurate histogram?

I have also noticed the default conversion in LR seems to clip earlier than some of the others like Faithful or Neutral. I feel like I should be tinkering with that in some way to maximize latitude. For most of my stuff the highlight slider takes care of my DR needs. It's hard to gauge just how far to ettr without ML. I had it on the M but it got buggy with the EF-M 11-22mm lens for some reason so now I'm just doing without. Maybe I should install it on the 5D2. Not sure I need all those features but this RAW histogram thing has got me re-interested.  ???
This is worth reading:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=12096.0

Thank you for this. When I started looking into ML I couldn't find a detailed explanation of all the features. Now I know what the numbers mean!

Bookmarkin this!

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Back up a second. So even if you shoot RAW the histogram in camera is only displaying the color space you've chosen? So does that mean I should set my camera's color space to Adobe RGB just so I get a more accurate histogram?

I have also noticed the default conversion in LR seems to clip earlier than some of the others like Faithful or Neutral. I feel like I should be tinkering with that in some way to maximize latitude. For most of my stuff the highlight slider takes care of my DR needs. It's hard to gauge just how far to ettr without ML. I had it on the M but it got buggy with the EF-M 11-22mm lens for some reason so now I'm just doing without. Maybe I should install it on the 5D2. Not sure I need all those features but this RAW histogram thing has got me re-interested.  ???

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Canon General / Re: seeimpossible.usa.canon.com?
« on: October 06, 2014, 08:01:32 PM »
Times up. Is that page meant to show something??

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Canon General / Re: seeimpossible.usa.canon.com?
« on: October 05, 2014, 09:10:50 PM »
Sounds like some kind of motivational seminar. It's probably related to an event where they'll have tutorials and workshops. I really doubt any hardware other than a white rebel or a new handbag.  :P

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Lenses / Re: What New Lens are You Most Excited About?
« on: October 01, 2014, 11:11:45 AM »
Excited about the Tamron wide angle zoom and the 12mm fisheye from Samyang though right now my finances are still recovering from paying a buttload of back taxes.  :-\

2015 is going be my big GAS release year!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Poll: Would you buy a high MP Canon EOS 5DIV?
« on: September 29, 2014, 08:35:46 PM »
Based on the difference between the D750 and 5DIII the high megapixel Canon offering would be about $700 or $800 more than what the (then old) D8xx would be.

It seems you have lost yourself in misreading this thread.

To make it simple: My guess a high MP 5DIV would be in the same price range as the 5DII and 5DIII at their respective launch.

Wow thank you for putting me right. I am soooo dumb sometimes.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Poll: Would you buy a high MP Canon EOS 5DIV?
« on: September 29, 2014, 12:03:08 PM »
The interesting question for me would be if Canon came up with a new camera line for high resolution should it be priced above or below the 5D line?

Since Nikon is undercutting Canon's current prices (in fact the new Nikon D750 looks very much like a strong 5DIII competitor on the specs and only costs 2.300$) Canon could hardly bring anything on the market with much less than 36 MP costing much more than 3.300$ without getting flak for being either under-performing or over-priced.

If Canon brings us a 8.000$ camera as their answer to Nikon's 3.300$ D810 I for one would "save" the money, buy a D750 and D810 and use the balance to sell my current Canon line-up for Nikon's equivalent. YMMV.
Are they?
It was not a general comment - if you care to read the original post (which you seem not to have done)

I specifically answered to how current Nikon models compare with the 5DIII and what this may indicate for the price of a possible high MP Canon 5DIV - where I pointed to the fact that the Nikon D750 which is very closely specked to match the 5DIII is far cheaper (also in Japan) while the D810 obviously has the MP the 5DIII does not. Leading to my conclusion that "Canon could hardly bring anything on the market with much less than 36 MP costing much more than 3.300$ without getting flak for being either under-performing or over-priced."

[Apart from that Amazon.jp is not a good place to get current info on Japanese camera and lens prices as their prices sometimes are far from the best.]

Well of course the D750 is cheaper than the 5DIII, it's about 18 months late to the game.  :P  if it were priced same as the 5DIII no one would buy it. Plus those who waited have already bought a perfectly good D800, D800E, D810 or even made do with a D610. So now this comes along and has to compete with all that so it's priced to match.

So you are judging the future price of a mythical camera on the difference between these two cameras?? And you jumped to the conclusion that it would be $8000?? That don't add up at all. Based on the difference between the D750 and 5DIII the high megapixel Canon offering would be about $700 or $800 more than what the (then old) D8xx would be. New vs old? Hmmm, Well that seems reasonable, don't you think?


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I really screwed up my knee, and weather is blowing in rather fiercely now. I can hardly walk, so hiking up to my landscape spots (Long Lake is a great one, but it's a decent hike up past Brainard Lake, which is a nice area...and I can't take any hikes like that now. :().

I'll see what I can do about getting some more demonstration shots.  Given the tone of this thread, I don't think it will matter much...same old stuff, same old retorts, same old nastiness. I simply set out to demonstrate the differences, as best as possible...which required an extreme situation. It doesn't matter if you always do a 5-stop push, even with a one or two stop push, the differences can be realized.

I'm pretty dismayed at some of the insults being thrown, not even at myself, it's just not necessary (Sporgon!) We can be civil about this issue.

Take it easy man, you don't need to prove anything. I appreciate that you've tried to demonstrate the differences in this thread. I understand that it's important to some and less to others. It's good to see for ourselves so thanks for sharing samples. Hope you get better soon!

Btw - I downloaded the sample from the a7r but I guess Lr 4 can't open the file, (doh! moment) so for me none of this is relevant! I don't even know what I'm missing out on!  :P (I'm sure it would be glorious!)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Poll: Would you buy a high MP Canon EOS 5DIV?
« on: September 28, 2014, 09:44:30 PM »
The interesting question for me would be if Canon came up with a new camera line for high resolution should it be priced above or below the 5D line?

Since Nikon is undercutting Canon's current prices (in fact the new Nikon D750 looks very much like a strong 5DIII competitor on the specs and only costs 2.300$) Canon could hardly bring anything on the market with much less than 36 MP costing much more than 3.300$ without getting flak for being either under-performing or over-priced.

If Canon brings us a 8.000$ camera as their answer to Nikon's 3.300$ D810 I for one would "save" the money, buy a D750 and D810 and use the balance to sell my current Canon line-up for Nikon's equivalent. YMMV.

Are they? I don't think so. Definitely not in Japan. D610 is the same price as the 6D, the D810 is more than the 5D3 and D4s is also way more than a 1DX (also see CR latest post about discounted 1DX offers). Maybe it's different in other countries - I wouldn't know but undercutting sounds like BS to me. 

Source - amazon.jp

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It surprises me that no-one has tried to put a Sony sensor into a Canon 5d3 and make the perfect camera.
Swapping engines and transmissions in cars is not uncommon, so why not swap sensors in cameras?

I don't think it's a simple as changing a lens or a focusing screen. The sensor is the guts of the camera and it's hard wired in. I'd imagine Sony uses completely different components than Canon so you can't just stick it on and expect it to work. Then you need to programme the digic processor to work with the new sensor. So you'd need the electrical engineering skills from both Sony and Canon plus the coding skills of the ML team to stand a chance. How many attempts would it even take? Do you wanna buy a bunch of $3000 cameras just so you can play Dr Frankenstein with them?

I bet there is some lunatic out there that is probably doing this very thing as I type this!

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Why haven't you left canon?
« on: September 27, 2014, 10:54:42 AM »
1 Image quality most times absolutely sufficient for MY purposes
2 Very good lenses in terms of the "right IQ" as a combination of all parameters
3 Ergonomics and knowledge of its ergonomics
4 Magic Lantern - compatibility: Using FD* lenses on EF-M mount via adaptor (or EF mount after conversion) with ML focus assist systems is easy!



* Just exploring the FD 1.4 50 S.S.C. - not an OTUS but very good just at f/1.4 and excellent from f/2.8 with EOS M (equivalent to 50MPix on full frame!)

Are you using anything special for the  FD - M mount? I have a large collection of FD lenses that are crying out to do something useful and I have an M. I know there are a million FD - M convertors on eBay and most are pretty cheap and there is no glass or real engineering in them, so just wondered if you had a recommendation.

I'm using the Fotasay one, got it off ebay as I couldn't find it on amzaon.jp (really sucks for that kinda stuff over here). Quite good quality for the price. Have nothing to compare it with though!

http://www.amazon.com/Fotasy-AEMFD-Mirrorless-Camera-Adapter/dp/B00ACYTWFI

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Why haven't you left canon?
« on: September 27, 2014, 09:48:31 AM »
I don't feel the need to switch at all. If I did buy into another system it would only be to compliment my Canon gear like buying a A7r for example. Everything I have works perfectly, I don't think any of my Canon gear has ever let me down. Very reliable, frustration free, easy to navigate menus and beautiful ergonomics. Why would I give that up?

I think the 7D is what really got me hooked, just loved that thing when I first got it. Then the feeling of owning my first L lens too. Not sure Nikon would be able to fulfill my lens lust tbh! I have an amazon wish list specifically for Canon superteles just to look at and admire! (Don't judge me!).

More recently the EOS M + 11-22mm lens has rekindled my love for photography. And the 22mm pancake is awesome at parties and small events.




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