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Can you please give me some advice on what questions my sister should ask wedding photographers when considering who she should hire?

  • Beforehand, she should decide what style she wants, e.g. portrait/glamour vs. photojournalistic
  • Decide whether it's important to have high-quality prints or a large set of JPEGs.  Some photographers do the old-school print-based business model, while others will hand you a DVD with hundreds of JPEGs, and then you print what you want.  Make sure that's clear in the contract.
  • Describe the venue and ask to see work examples in that kind of space.  Some photographers bring a mobile studio lighting setup, others work better outdoors or use hotshoe-based lighting.
  • Ask for references, preferably recent, and a year or two previous
  • Ask to see more than their portfolio: ask to see at least one full set that was delivered for a wedding similar to what she has in mind

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EOS Bodies / Re: Just for Jrista: 2014 Market Data
« on: September 22, 2014, 08:54:33 AM »
Oh, and here's yet another wedding image I was processing from my 5D3 that I decided to throw out b/c by the time I corrected the 3EV vignetting of my 24/1.4 and then added 1.5 stops (b/c I underexposed by 1.5 EV to save the sky/clouds above my subjects), I had this wonder junk overlaid over my image:
Which "wonder junk" are you talking about, the noise or something else?  I see several different areas, and each could have a different cause. 

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My D810 wouldn't have even had the smudge related with this noise
It's hard to know that for certain without side-by-side testing, though I wouldn't dismiss the possibility.  It would be great to see the before/after, or better still this area of the photo at each stage of your PP so we know where the problem comes in.

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Reviews / Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« on: September 19, 2014, 01:03:42 PM »
I asked before...is this 'extra effort' necessary with every shot?  Most shots?  A few shots? 

No, the question is...is this 'extra effort' necessary for enough of his shots to be important to him.  There are some posters here whose answers to this question would not affect me.  jrista has shown that he knows what he's doing, so I'm inclined to accept his response at face value, even if my answer would be different.  For me, the answer is probably no.

Neuro, you offer lots of value to this forum, but your questions often sound like a trial attorney badgering a hostile witness.  Your questions are valid, your tone is not helpful.

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Reviews / Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« on: September 19, 2014, 12:44:09 PM »
I've said this countless times now, but the point of having better data is a reduced workload. Sure, you can work and work and work and work and WORK the data from Canon cameras, with more and more tools, and eventually get a really good result. But, you worked it more, possibly a LOT more, and you spend more money on more tools, to get the same result that you can get from a file that started out being better. You may have even had to do more in-camera, using more IQ-degrading GND filters to balance contrast or what-have-you, to improve the quality of the data.

It isn't purely about the end results, although that's certainly what we all look to. The purpose of having better data is to minimize the work that occurs between camera and publication/print. According to Neuro, that's just "Missing the forest for the trees because I'm just looking at pixels." To me, it's how long do I have to spend journeying to get to the best spot in the forest. One path is rocky and difficult and takes three times as long going uphill...the other is even and level and winds through a more scenic part of the forest, and is a lot shorter.

You've said it before and it does make sense.  It's the same reason we have AF and intelligent metering: less work to get consistently high quality results.  I've not experienced the kinds of problems you have, but you're entitled to your experience.

Here's a stupid question for you: if third-parties can make lenses that are compatible with multiple body brands, why can't Nikon make a version of the D810 that's compatible with EF lenses to try to poach some Canon business, such as yourself?  The only reason (aside from corporate pride) would be some difficulty with the physical dimensions of the mirror mechanism.  If Nikon were smart, they could set up a stealth subsidiary to "modify" D810s for that lucrative Canon market.  I'm only half-joking.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Chuck Westfall Talks Canon EOS 7D Mark II
« on: September 19, 2014, 01:27:22 AM »
Sadly, it sounds like moving the 7Dii to video is more important to Canon.
Very disappointed.

I have no idea why one would think this camera suggests "video is more important to Canon." Because honestly I see this camera as living proof that Canon actually couldn't care less about video. The video capabilities of this camera would have been interesting about four years ago. As it is now, for cinematographers, this camera is dead on arrival.

You're wrong - Canon cares a lot about video. Canon especially cares a lot about the folks in video that have money to spend. And Canon wants as much of that money as they can get (Canon is a corporation afterall.)

So why would Canon sell you a $1800 DSLR to do video when they have a $10000 video camera that they'd rather you buy instead?
You're basically on the right track, Dilbert.  My guess is the 7D2's video will be optimized for producing excellent amateur video -- something mom & dad would be proud to show their child's grandparents.  It should be easy to use, etc.  It should have enough features to lure the some fraction into higher-end gear.  Under no circumstances should it directly compete with their pro gear. 

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Reviews / Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« on: September 18, 2014, 08:36:30 PM »
Why is someone whose portfolio is full of glorified snapshots so concerned about his equipment?

I've lost context -- to whom are you referring?

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EOS-M / Re: EOS M The positive experience
« on: September 18, 2014, 09:58:03 AM »

Then go post about it on the sony forum? If we wanted sony crap we would have bought it. This thread is not for you.

I am really not interested to hear what you think i should do. ;)

And if something is "crap" than it´s the EOS-M with it´s trias dated sensor and an awful AF....


And you're at the bottom of your class of trolls: your focus (on the topic) is very poor and jumps around a lot, and you're completely ineffective at persuading anyone of anything.  I'm sure the editors of Camera Troll Digest are laughing your poor quality and outdated feature set.

personal insults will not make a shitty camera better... poor blind fanboys

be happy with an inferior and cheap product.  :D

I'm happy enjoying my photography, not worrying about minor differences in products.  How about you?  Do you enjoy your photography, or does it cause you pain to use anything but the best equipment?  Learn to be happy with what you have, both in photography and in life.

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EOS-M / Re: EOS M The positive experience
« on: September 18, 2014, 09:23:49 AM »

Then go post about it on the sony forum? If we wanted sony crap we would have bought it. This thread is not for you.

I am really not interested to hear what you think i should do. ;)

And if something is "crap" than it´s the EOS-M with it´s trias dated sensor and an awful AF....


And you're at the bottom of your class of trolls: your focus (on the topic) is very poor and jumps around a lot, and you're completely ineffective at persuading anyone of anything.  I'm sure the editors of Camera Troll Digest are laughing at your poor quality and outdated feature set. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: How can we improve on 5D3 to 5D4?
« on: September 17, 2014, 10:04:20 AM »
So... I'm just wondering how many here realize that the D810, D800, and D750 already have every single one of those features...

Or perhaps that's the point - everyone here wants what Nikon already offers? Either way, it's kind of funny :)

Why is this insightful or funny?  It's human nature to want what someone else already has.  Or perhaps you're making the standard Nikon fanboi error of assuming that the body is the entire system.  My guess is that a lot of Nikonians want what Canon already offers: great selection of lenses and accessories and high manufacturing quality (*cough* D610 *cough*).  And the D810 is clearly a nod toward the 5D3's strength as an event camera.

Ideally, I'd like to be able to select the best components from each brand, but proprietary mounts and connections force us into brand lock-in.  Depending on your particular style of photography, either Nikon or Canon will serve your needs better, but there's no harm or shame in wishing for it all.


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EOS Bodies / Re: How can we improve on 5D3 to 5D4?
« on: September 16, 2014, 11:41:10 PM »
-carbon fiber or Ti body. hell my inexpensive tennis racket from Walmart is made from a Ti carbon weave. it cost like $30-40 weights nothing, is super tough.  really, get it done canon.

This is a joke, I presume.

I assume as much; titanium and carbon fibre in any meaningful application does not change hands that cheaply.

Jim

Dunno, how much metal is in a tennis racket compared to a camera body?  I found a titanium racket at Amazon for $35.

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EOS Bodies / Re: How can we improve on 5D3 to 5D4?
« on: September 16, 2014, 11:13:39 PM »
A built in condom dispenser because the 5D3 sure seems popular with the ladies ;D Or maybe it's just me :o
 
I think it's your 70-200 f/2.8   8)

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When do we get to see the first raw images FROM the fantastic Samsung NX1!

And when do we get to see impartial, hands-on evaluations of all of it's features?

Don't get me wrong, I'm cheering for mirrorless, and also for innovations from the smaller manufacturers in order to put pressure on Canon.  So far I've been disappointed, though.

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EOS Bodies / Re: How can we improve on 5D3 to 5D4?
« on: September 16, 2014, 10:26:06 AM »
You're asking Canon to make you a custom camera, and to change the 5D market position.  Unless you have many millions to throw at Canon, that ain't gonna happen.

No I'm not - the original 5D did not have video functionality, so I would like to go back to that.  People who want high quality video has the 1D C available (and that already supports 4K shooting).

I'm under no illusions that Canon would ever bow to a few people who would like 1 DSLR without video features, but there's nothing wrong with hoping...........
This has been hashed out on previous threads, you may want to go back and look.  The (not universal) consensus is that a camera without video will not sell well-enough.  The Nikon Df was the poster child for this.

Besides, video is nearly free: it has not much impact on the overall design of the camera.  As soon as you have LiveView, you just record that and you have video.  Video is not going away.

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EOS Bodies / Re: How can we improve on 5D3 to 5D4?
« on: September 16, 2014, 10:00:39 AM »
Niche? I would venture that a fairly high percentage of users of a 5D Mk. IV shoot enough scenics and landscapes to relish the idea of ~36 MP.  However, a split or divergence in the Canon line to support landscape/ high MP users vs. the crowd you advocate for may not be out of line.
"relish" does not equal $$$  Until they relish it enough to forgo their tranya to pay for it, 36MP won't make it into the 5D4.

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EOS Bodies / Re: How can we improve on 5D3 to 5D4?
« on: September 16, 2014, 09:57:17 AM »
Well, fortunately for anyone who wants the smaller number of pixels, I'm _not_ in charge and from the way Canon seems to be headed, you'll easily have your wish granted.

FWIW, just about any lens made will out-resolve a 50mpixel sensor down through f/11.

Salesmen down at the local camera shop have been saying "You realize you'll need better lenses to take advantage of that new/bigger sensor, don't you?"  Every single time nothing could have been further from the truth. 

When I pointed out to them that optical physics and the present (rather good) state of A/D electronics put sensors (and formerly film) in the position of limiting resolution, they changed their tune.  Until I walked away from the counter.  It comes down to the fact they want to sell more lenses.  Fear and ignorance will do it every time.

... When do you really need such a resolution? Maybe as a landscape photographer this would be nice to have. But that's a niche. Please don't sacrifice a good all-round camera for this!

You and jrista should chat about this.   ;D

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