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Software & Accessories / Re: My Dell vs iMac
« on: December 14, 2013, 02:45:13 PM »
Regardless of if you go MAC or PC I think the 1TB Fusion drive is a huge mistake, you should get the Crucial M500 960GB SSD.  M500 is 10x faster, the Fusion drive will bottleneck your system.
The 960GB SSD would be the quickest option, but you're screwed when you pass 960GB in total space used.

The 256GB + USB 3.0 externals would give you the ability to keep your libraries on the fast internal SSD, and keep your ever ballooning photo library on far cheaper external drives.  You'd still see a major performance increase.

That said, down the road, if you ever wanted to, or SSD costs decreased enough, you could buy and put that 960GB SSD into an external and get the same benefits as having it internal.  Thunderbolt could easily handle an SSD with up to ~900MB/s read/write speeds.

Will probably get the x-rite i1 Display Pro soon, the cheapest I have found is £159 on Amazon.
Could someone tell me if there is any difference between the dell u2413 and u2713h? Is it just the screen size which is different?

The resolution difference between the 2413 and 2713 is substantial.
1920x1200 (24) vs 2560x1440 (27)

Aspect ratios are slightly different at 16:10 (24), and 16:9 (27).

Other specs are almost identical.

Software & Accessories / Re: My Dell vs iMac
« on: December 13, 2013, 07:06:07 PM »

Did you build your own Fusion Drive?  It seems like you must have opened your iMac as that config isn't available as a BTO.  I would caution others against this route, as:
a) It is currently untested, and slightly unstable. At the Apple Store we had some serious grief maintaining even Apple supported implementations of Fusion Drive.
b) You have to cut the adhesive holding the display in place.
c) Totally voids any semblance of AppleCare you ever had.

Yes I did.
A. My drive is untested and unstable? or all fusion drives? 
B. Uh? Nope.
C. My iMac totally voided any semblance of AppleCare I ever had all by itself when it reached the age of 12 months.  They should teach you guys this stuff.

A. All Fusion Drives, at least when compared to a standard HDD or SSD setup.  They have certainly gotten better, but we're eagerly awaiting 10.9.1 updates.

B&C -> I had assumed you were running a late 2012 or newer iMac. Which would have had AppleCare still and had the adhesives. 

If you have a "thick" unibody iMac, then you don't have to worry about adhesive, but you do have to get the glass clean, which is probably worse.  I hated working on unibody iMacs for that reason alone.

Software & Accessories / Re: My Dell vs iMac
« on: December 13, 2013, 12:26:36 PM »
Opinion is very much divided on this topic, some people love PC’s some love Mac’s, some people hate PC’s some hate Mac’s…

I definitely think the first thing I need to do is calibrate my monitor, the i1 Display Pro seems to be the one to go for. This can then be used with future monitors whatever they may be.

RLPhoto, your current setup is VERY impressive, but that is DEFINITELY overkill for my needs. Yes if was rich, why not haha
I am only really in the early stages of setting up my photography business, so in terms of massive Hard Drives, well I do not see the point of them for me. So if I went down the route of iMac, a Fusion drive makes sense and if I want to go SSD in the future I’ll buy external storage. As said before, keeping things like the Lightroom catalog on the SSD/Flash part will speed things up.

I'd definitely take a look at the Apple Refurb page.

Software & Accessories / Re: My Dell vs iMac
« on: December 13, 2013, 01:25:16 AM »
I  decided to buy Adobe 5 with the last sale.
It arrived yesterday so I started loading it on an IMac I bought a few years back.

I found out that Adobe 5 will not work with Snow Leopard, bad thing right. Lion came out just a few weeks after I bought this machine.

No problem, I go to Apple's website to see about upgrading. Uploading past Lion, Mountain Lion to Maverick cost exactly $0. It is free. Microsoft you will pay for each and every upgrade so no savings there in a few years.

I started loading the new system at 8:00 my time. In less than 1 hour the new system was downloaded from online and I had it installed and running. In the last three hours since I started uploading the new system I have already uploaded 1600 files over a wireless connection in to Lightroom 5 and have been editing them. No fuss, no fight and no problems.

Lightroom is opening in less than a second. The machine is restarting in just a few seconds. It is an i5, 2.7 ghz and 4GB and has enough power you will not notice Lightroom. It is limited by its wireless connection to the other computers only.

You can buy a Dell, but how I spent my day at work today was troubleshooting problems on my $2500 Dell Laptop that is only a few months old.
This is one of the justifications to the Apple premium. 
That said, if you can command a Windows machine with expertise, and don't mind the time, this may be mitigated.

I am about to get an iMac for my LR editing so I had a look at how to configure it. Fast HDD and lots of memory will be of benefit. However, the upgrade from i5 to i7 might not be worth it. It seems LR doesn't benefit from the hyper threading, google it, I read it at a couple of different sources. Thos is gopd news as I then can use that money to max out the the graphics memory.
Just verified, it is 100% using multi-threading, it's tough to separate multi-threading from hyper-threading though.  It **looks** like an Adobe employee once said that their software will use hyper threading when it thinks it will be faster, but keeps it off otherwise. I have only seen it use around 450-500% CPU on my iMac though, so that could be 100% on four physical cores, with the other background stuff running on the hyper threaded cores.
Good luck!

That is true. Actually your biggest speed benefit will have little to do with your processor and only some about memory.
If you are like many of us you have an extensive library which limits your ability to store your photos on the same machine that you use. IMO you need  the fastest hard drive and the fastest connections you can get. The transfer of data is the biggest bottle neck.

The exception would be if you only have enough pictures that you can work on your hard drive. Sometimes I can do that, but more often I find myself pulling files off an external.
This is the key.  Your limitations will be drive speed for LR use.  PS and video work will tax CPU/GPU, but Aperture/LR are really glorified database software for most of their work, so read/write speed is the crucial part.
Keeping your catalogs on SSD and your masters on an external is a great compromise!

Software & Accessories / Re: My Dell vs iMac
« on: December 13, 2013, 12:14:47 AM »
So it has come down to these 4 options:

Option 1 – Keep current Dell PC
                 Buy a Dell 27” (£535)
                 Buy an i1 Display Pro (£160)
                 Upgrade parts another time
                 = £695

Option 2 – Start again, build a new computer
                  Sell current Dell PC
                  = ?

Option 3 – Sell current Dell PC
                 Buy a Mac Mini (Depending on spec from £860 to £1280)
                 Buy a Dell 27” (£535)
                 Buy an i1 Display Pro (£160)
                 = From £1555 - £1975

Option 4 – Sell current Dell PC
                  Buy an iMac Depending on spec from £1760 to £2100)
                  Buy an i1 Display Pro (£160)
                  = From £1920 to £2260

In my opinion, if you choose option 3, I'd go with the most basic model you can, just add the SSD.  The beauty of that system, is you can choose to not pay the "early adopter fee" and use mainstream parts, vs "enthusiast" parts.  You just sell it every 2-3 years, and upgrade to the new mainstream.

One thing that hasn't been brought up yet is the great Apple Refurbished options!! As an Apple tech, I can assure you that the refurbs are if anything, less likely to fail than standard hardware.  Refurbs will always have a new display, new HDD, new enclosure, and where applicable, new battery. Click here for the UK refurb page.

One final comment on everyone suggesting the Dell Ultrasharps, when you consider everything, the ultrasharp vs the Apple Thunderbolt Display get pretty close in cost.  The ATD also has decent speakers, FW800, Gigabit ethernet, and 3 USB 2.0 ports.

Apple Thunderbolt display is £899 from Apple. Dell 27 Ultrasharp is £535 from Amazon. That's a £364 difference. The wide gamut dell is currently £790 incl. VAT.  The Apple is £899 with VAT.

You're closer to getting 2 Dells to 1 Apple (£171 difference). Or you could spend some of the difference on some decent speakers (not rubbish built into your monitor). Or a new lens. Or anything else...

Now lets look at specs... Apple display max brightness is 330cd/m2 Dell 350cd/m2 (both far brighter than you'd actually really want them to be). Apple 16.7 million colours Dell 1.07 billion colours (admittedly you need a pro graphics card to take advantage of this at present - but if you're looking at future proofing 10bit>8bit). Dell 4x USB 3.0 ports Apple 3x USB 2.0 ports. The Dell also has a 9 in one card reader. Although the Apple does have a FW800 port (which frankly aint of much use)...

And the really important bits... Adobe rgb colour space coverage - Dell 99% Apple 76%. So for colour critical work like photo editing the Dell is a far better monitor for just over half the price.

So again... With Apple you pay more and get less.

You sure?  I just checked on Dell.ca, admittedly different pricing than Dell UK, but this is what I found:

27" Dell UltraSharp U2713HM -> $699 CAD.  Covers 99% of sRGB. Covers 79.73% aRGB.
Apple Thunderbolt Display -> $799 CAD refurbed, $999 CAD new.  >99% sRGB coverage.  Covers 76.1% aRGB.  Functionally identical to Dell.

You may be thinking the U2711 (replaced with U2713H), which is $1,049 CAD.

Canon General / Re: Photography Ruins your Memory...
« on: December 11, 2013, 09:46:15 PM »
One reason I shoot stills and not video as a  tourist.

+1, my tourist photography supports my memory and enhances it, while people doing video seem to see nothing of the original scenery because they have a camera in front of them most of the time.

I'm sure I would have forgotten far fewer nice moments in my life if digital photography had evolved earlier, allowing me to snap "markers" for free - often I don't shoot the "big picture", but small parts that have an emotional value for me and then trigger the memory of the wider circumstance.

I need to get better at the emotional value parts.  I've started actively trying to think about what I want to shoot more now, and actually shoot less.  This has really helped with remembering things.  I've also started to try and experience things twice; with my camera in the bag the first time around.  I used to be in the 1500-2500 shots in a 4 day trip range, now I'm in the 300-500 range (including bracketing).

I.e. the first time I rode the new Cars in Disneyland, I chose to keep the camera in the bag, and experience it all, then photograph it the next time I rode.

Quote from: the Article
"Research has suggested that the sheer volume and lack of organisation of digital photos for personal memories discourages many people from accessing and reminiscing about them. In order to remember, we have to access and interact with the photos, rather than just amass them," said Dr Henkel.

I always make an Aperture Photo Book after the vacation, I find this way I have an incentive to look back on my photos and share them with others in a format much more appealing than the slideshow.

Canon General / Re: Useless or absurd accessories
« on: December 11, 2013, 09:42:19 PM »
Dear Friends.
I would like you to read my new post, That might help your solve the problem, when you fly, and not stupid as me.---No, Not absurd accessory as the photo.---ha, ha, ha


That's a great story.  I'll have to keep that in mind next time I fly with my Giottos Rocket! I was thinking of upgrading to  this blower though as it may be easier on sensors.

Also, I learned you are an architect today!  With an impressive body of work as well, and in very tough fields like detention centres.  Those and court houses have to be some of the toughest buildings to design.  Kudos.

Canon General / Re: Why Wedding Photographers’ Prices are “Wack”?
« on: December 11, 2013, 03:56:18 PM »
My brother and I both got married about 20 years ago before the internet or digital photography had been invented. He hired a professional photographer who probably used a Nikon or Canon.  I had less money so my father and I shared the photographic duties using a Praktica BC-1.

My wedding pictures are more memorable and technically better than my brother's. You don't always get what you pay for.

Don't tell me how much your equipment cost or how many year's experience you have. If you want $4000 then show me pictures I'd pay $4000 to own.

And don't complain about people who want $400 photos. That's like Rolls Royce whinging about people who want Toyotas. There are lots of price points in the market. If a customer isn't offering what you're worth then politely decline. Don't waste your breath arguing unless you think you can upsell them.

Exactly.  Never hesitate to ask a photographer for a bigger example of their portfolio.

If he's got 8 photos online as his portfolio, you don't know if those are the only good 8 photos he's taken, or the best 8 photos of hundreds. 

Find a photographer with a good body of work, that is in your style, in your price range.

Canon General / Re: Why Wedding Photographers’ Prices are “Wack”?
« on: December 11, 2013, 02:38:21 PM »
I have read that article before, it was a good read.

I would like to attempt to do a study on wedding photography price regionally.  Here in Edmonton, AB it seems that $2,750 is about where pricing starts for a photographer who has IMO a quality portfolio.  The median income in Edmonton is $56,338 annually.  The average price for a single family detached home is $376k, and the average condo is $222k.

It would be interesting to determine how much of an impact the external labor and housing markets have on photography pricing.

Canon General / Re: Useless or absurd accessories
« on: December 11, 2013, 02:35:00 PM »
Thank you for the link to the Gepe cases. One of those might come in handy for me when I go to Hawaii in August.

As for filter quality, that may indeed affect the effectiveness of some filter wrenches. In my case however, I was using B+W XS Pro filters. The filter got stuck when I had a B+W circular polarizing filter on top of it and instead of just turning the polarizing filter I ended up turning both of them and screwing the clear filter in much tighter than it needed to be. (I was in a very dusty environments so I didn't want to take the clear filter off before putting the polarizing filter on.) Clearly user error and I love my B+W filters. I was able to easily get the polarizing filter off the clear filter, but the clear filter is really really stuck and I have not been able to get it off with the filter wrench I have.  It still may be a limitation of my strength. I'm going to try a couple more things and if they don't work I'm going to take the lens and the filter wrench and the rubber kitchen jar gripper to a photographer friend of mine who is much stronger than I am.

Try a strap wrench maybe.  Something like this, it's rubber so it won't mar the finish.  They pretty much rock if you have problems opening things, my mom keeps one for tough jars and the like.  *** Could be a risk here, if it's cross threaded, you may tear the threads out of the filter or the lens.  I seem to recall that brass is softer than aluminum, so the threads on the filter should fail before the lens threads.  Based on the fact that the clear filter was installed and fine before, I would imagine that it isn't cross threaded though.

OK, this is not an accessory but for me "Release Shutter Without Card" is a useless feature, which I never use but can get into trouble real easy ...
We've all probably been there before.  Since then, that has been the first thing I have checked on every new Canon body I have used.  I also stick to 16GB SD cards, as if one fails during a day of shooting, I have only lost half the day, vs losing a full 32GB.

Software & Accessories / Re: My Dell vs iMac
« on: December 11, 2013, 12:37:18 PM »
My head is still saying go with an iMac, but this is not going to be cheap. I now understand the best option is to go with the 256GB SSD/Flash option and go with USB 3.0 externals for storing things like photos, keeping things like the Lightroom catalogue on the internal storage.

In terms of future proofing I am sure getting near the top of the line model will do me for the next 5 years with no problems at all. The price of the following comes to £2,228.99:
•  3.5GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz
•  8GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM (RAM TO BE UPGRADED AT A LATER DATE) For info sake, to add 16GB would cost you around $200 delivered.
•  256GB Flash Storage
•  NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M 4GB GDDR5 Good for future proofing, but if you don't foresee yourself doing video work, probably a splurge.

Syder makes a good point though, but for me what is above I am sure will be more than I need so to me that is future proofing, I know other may think otherwise, your thoughts?

What is slightly putting me off getting an iMac is the price, above is just the price for the iMac, not taking into account buying Photoshop again, the CS6 I currently have is only for Windows but Lightroom 3 is for both, but I would like to get the latest version of Lightroom. At some point I’ll probably add an Apple USB SuperDrive and other things. The main add on here will be USB 3.0 externals, bringing the cost easily over £2500. Nearly forgot the i1 Display Pro which is essential.
If I recall correctly, Adobe will switch licenses from Windows to OS X.  See this link  There's always the Photoshop Photography Program, which includes LR5 and Photoshop CC for $9.99 as well.

With regards to the i1DP, I think you'd want it with whichever display solution you went with, either a better monitor for the PC, or an Apple Display.

I wouldn't buy the USB SuperDrive.  For $30-40 off eBay you can get an external Bluray Reader + DVD burner drive.  It's not as sleek, but equally functional with the ability to read Blurays.  Or a bluray burner for under $100.

Can someone recommend some USB 3.0 externals for me to look at?
I would build my own external.  Buy a USB 3.0 enclosure, and a 7200RPM hard drive.  I like these enclosures the most, but there are certainly cheaper options from places like NCIX or newegg.  The most important part, is buying two sets.  Backup your stuff!  Hitachi, WD, or Seagate all make good 7200RPM drives.  If you are planning on upgrading to a RAID later, and choose WD make sure it's absolutely not from the green line. Red or Black is the way to go.
EDIT: Sorry forgot to add, I am not ruling out upgrading my current PC and getting a decent monitor.
Good option too, but recall what Rofflesaurr mentioned about being limited by SATA2.

Finally, there is a value on your happiness.  If your heart is set on an Apple, then that's probably worth something, you'll just have to decide what it is.  If you think you'll constantly think, "What if I had bought the iMac?", that may sway your final choice.

I think most the PC guys on here were suggesting buying a new PC vs upgrading yours.  That would be my choice if I were to go the PC route in your shoes.  I still think a Mac is better, but I wouldn't invest money into the current Dell.

And I would also suggest to look at 'Mac mini with i7 processor + Thunderbolt Display' combo (or 'Mac mini + Dell WhateverSharp') as another possibility to get a Mac that's capable to do some photo-work. You can easily add/replace memory in Mac mini and add second Hard Drive/SSD.
That's definitely a good option to consider, especially if photos is your #1 job.  The only thing that held me back from this option is that the Mac Mini only has integrated graphics, and not a discrete GPU.  The Mac Mini also only has 2 RAM slots, so you're limited to 16GB of RAM, vs 32GB with the iMac.  That said, you could always replace the Mac Mini as things progress technology wise.  Certainly would get more value out of the big investment in an iMac which is the display.

PS: You can install/run Windows on Macs too (unless it has a 'fusion drive' (?)). So, you still be able to run existing software while you purchasing or looking for their OS X replacements. (Apple's Aperture is also not totally useless RAW processing tool you can get for $80. LightRoom probably has more professional bells and whistles too it, but Aperture do allow at least to quickly sort through pictures, select keepers and reject the rest...)
I'm an Apple Certified Pro and Trainer in Aperture.  I love the photo management it has, but it lacks some editing features that LR5 has, including Lens Vingnetting and Distortion Correction.  I do prefer the brushes in Aperture to LR5s local edits though.  That said LR5 was clearly built to be paired with PS.
And 'NO', I do not insist on getting Mac mini instead of iMac (if you can afford top iMac 27" without spending 'unreasonable' amount of income or if you think that Mac mini is too slow or too small).

One final comment on everyone suggesting the Dell Ultrasharps, when you consider everything, the ultrasharp vs the Apple Thunderbolt Display get pretty close in cost.  The ATD also has decent speakers, FW800, Gigabit ethernet, and 3 USB 2.0 ports.

Canon General / Re: Useless or absurd accessories
« on: December 11, 2013, 11:38:22 AM »
You may add me to the list of disappointed filter wrench owners. The clear filter on one of my lenses got stuck during my trip to Africa. I have been unable to get it off with the filter wrench. I thought perhaps I wasn't applying enough strength. Now I'm thinking I'll just try one of my rubber jar openers. I don't think the filter wrench idea is bad, but I do think the ones I have and maybe those the other posters have are poorly made.

On the other hand, I absolutely love my Think Tank memory wallets. Because I did not take a computer or other storage device along with me when I went to Africa, I took 20 SD cards in addition to the three that were in my three cameras. The two memory wallets I took worked great to keep the cards organized. And the ribbon and clips on them allowed me to attach the wallets to either my belt loops or the camera bag so they couldn't accidentally fall out and get lost. And when I was in my hotel room, I could easily throw the memory wallets into the room safe. Could have I gotten by with putting the memory cards in plastic baggies? Yes, but the memory wallets made everything so much easier and so much more secure. On the other hand, when I go out and I only need to take one or two extra cards, I don't use the memory wallets. By the way, even though my cameras all use SD cards, I buy the wallets for the CF cards. That way, I can keep my cards in the little plastic cases they come in and they still fit into the wallet. And if I ever get a camera that uses CF cards, I can still use the same wallets.

I think it may come down to filter quality too.  Ones that are built well usually have good threading, ones that are bargain bin can have poor threads.  I've never had to use a filter wrench on my B+W filters, but on the cheap ones the camera store sells, which several friends stick to, I've used my filter wrench before.  The shoe trick sounds good.

Also, I love my Gepe cases as I often kayak with my gear, or subject it to otherwise dicey situations.  I also really like the single hard SD cases as they make SD cards quite a bit easier to find than the stock tiny cases.

Software & Accessories / Re: My Dell vs iMac
« on: December 11, 2013, 02:24:59 AM »
Posted by: Botts

'The iMac is the way to go for future proofing.'

No it isn't. If you want a future proof system buy a workstation. Something where you can upgrade all the components as and when you wish. And get something with a separate monitor so that you don't have to pay for a new screen when you want to upgrade your computer (the 27 inch monitor with the iMac will easily outlast the CPU and motherboard  - we've often gone two or three generations of computers with one generation of monitors). Modularity is really valuable when you're talking about building something with an eye on the future.

Of the options presented, it was better than upgrading the Dell.

As a PC user, you probably won't ever be sold on the idea of buying a Mac.  That's OK, but if a user wants to switch to the Apple environment, it's really their call.

Canon General / Re: Useless or absurd accessories
« on: December 11, 2013, 01:40:25 AM »

I greatly appreciate your personality on the forum.  You are one of say 4 people I can think of by name that really make me visit canonrumors forum on a regular basis.

Please feel free to address me however you feel comfortable.  I would much rather see the members of the canonrumors forum be comfortable expressing themselves vs adopting a different personality for the forum. 

From my perspective, I associate you with true, sage advice, and a formal delivery.  I appreciate your uniqueness.

Marsu, neuro, and Rienz all have their associated uniqueness as well, and I believe it adds strength to the forum.

I struggle in my day job to address people formally as Mr./Ms./Miss etc. it has just been so missing in Canada that I have lost using formality as a habit.  Every time I saw you refer to someone as say Mr. Marsu, it helped reinforce it for me as well.

That being said, if you are comfortable addressing us as friends, feel free to address me as Brian.  I would be honoured to be considered even an acquaintance of yours.

tl;dr Everyone be who you are!  Exemplify your uniqueness, that is what makes us artists!

As Dr. Seuss once said, "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."

Back to the items at hand, I would probably add these to the list of useless accessories.

Popup flash diffuser. Save the money and buy a used 430EX II.
The White Balance Filter or Expodisc - This is why we shoot RAW.  So we don't have to use goofy things like this.  If you are really concerned with colour balance just buy an X-rite ColorChecker card and use that.

Software & Accessories / Re: My Dell vs iMac
« on: December 11, 2013, 12:43:27 AM »
The iMac FUSION storage drive OP mentioned is a hybrid drive - basically traditional HDD with flash memory bolted on for cache... similar to Seagate Momentus XT. It is nowhere near as fast as a real SSD and is limited by the speed of HDD, not by the interface. 

The fusion drive is just that, a fusion between 2 drives.  I have a 512GB SSD and a 4TB Hard Drive running in my iMac.  The computer handles deciding which data goes where, and data that is accessed more often stays on the SSD.  For smaller reads and writes it is as fast as the SSD.  For bigger stuff, it slows to the speed of the HD.  Considering it boots in about 20 seconds, and brings photoshop up in 1.5, AND has 4.5 TB of capacity, I am pretty happy with it.  If one drive fails, you loos all data.  So back it up...

Did you build your own Fusion Drive?  It seems like you must have opened your iMac as that config isn't available as a BTO.  I would caution others against this route, as:
a) It is currently untested, and slightly unstable. At the Apple Store we had some serious grief maintaining even Apple supported implementations of Fusion Drive.
b) You have to cut the adhesive holding the display in place.
c) Totally voids any semblance of AppleCare you ever had.

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