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I JUST set the iec color profile as default

with  windows slight adjustment.... in Win calibration option..

THE LR edit screen ...now matches  Faststone raw to jpg, LR to jpg and camera lcd...

hand color same... LR gets background right AND LR edit matches LR jpg out

I had the dell profile set there... whoops

the iec may be old ...

but for uncalibrated old guys like me.. it seems to make it ALL match

and the colors seem right...

I guess I must have reset that or something....

I believe this is solved

thanks all

here are  three samples
only with a lot of hints to look at various things ...did I get there
thank you all

OK I HAVE SOME IDEAS from some hints here...

I SET my 5D3 from Faithful that had one click of saturation added...I set camera to NEUTRAL...
AND set LR  Camera Calibration to NEUTRAL... not adobe standard ...as before
so everything is neutral no added clicks anywhere

then I did a Faststone (CMS color aware)  RAW conversion to jpg
then a LR 5 RAW conversion to jpg....

and THESE TWO are surprisingly close... slightly red but LESS than the saturated (+1) setting on CAMERA

and finally the screen capture of LR5 edit screen..
LR5 edit is a little less red ...browner.. and cooler...

so some multi things confusing this...
I think
camera slid up one notch sat and maybe redder a bit too in faithful?...
anyway fast stone and lr 5 jpgs look about like camera screen..

so LR5 cooler edit is really whats off...
and I had likely bumped the sat on camera in reaction to the LR edit screen..

I believe I am getting closer
I learned to be careful what you tweak...on camera...

any comments - or a good thrashing of me  - are welcomed...

still need to understand why LR4/5 is 'cooler' looking....
than nature, ..... or nature 'seen by camera, camera screen, dell monitor, jpg from RAW via Faststone
and jpg from RAW via LR 5

I am still using the standard setting from dell 3011 as I think that is the calibrated setting...
but I am open to instruction here...

thanks everyone for helping me...discover the basic issue ... mostly solved now

RGF - thanks for help

yes I have the same suspicion as you here...

I start LR...having loaded RAW files to a FOLDER...I import them to LR 4/5(beta)  they both do this....
then ...for this problem I reset all and do a basic edit....
the edit screen shows any mods like lighting/exposure etc...

when I output to jpg  in a folder below the RAW files ...as I have done since LR 1.0....
I get 'redder' look to the file..
this is LATELY ..like past 2 weeks I believe...

I am listening to what is said though..

I FEEL I have some mod to output assigned in LR that compensates something

dell is in its 'standard' space but choosing adobe or  sRGB... the DIFFERENCE is still there...the monitor prolly ain't the issue - I think

just the DIFFERENCE between the edit screen in LR and the resulting jpg out...

whatever monitor is set to ...the difference of 'redder' should not be there....
in any monitor setting I see both pics ....and one is redder - the jpg

the thing is:
I see my natural hand color, see this color on the live view screen, save the RAW and see the natural color on the LR edit screen...
then conversion to jpg
yields reddish change...

all monitor, camera screen edits look natural UNTIL the jpg arrives


yes sRGB I never use the other...
but BOTH pics are on the screen ...the screen capture looks JUST LIKE the LR5 edit..
and the reddish jpg output shows alongside the 'good' LR edit one

so it would seem to me the monitor is out of the equation.. JUST the process from LR to jpg

I view in Faststone...and both pics show this diff you see on your screen...
Faststone has color correction setting CMS system .......on/off it is the same...

thanks for thoughts

I have dell 3011 monitor ...fairly accurate...but uncalibrated to print etc
with canon 5d3 shots in RAW edited in LR 4/5(beta) ...

process:  2012
profile :  standard
always have used the sRGB popular setting ...not the widder Adobe RGB
for some reason LATELY my jpg result is warmer ....more reds than the edit screen...

edit screen looks pretty close to what I see
I never print - I just want fairly close colors... to what I SAW when I shot,
what I see in edit screen....... and not some new 'reddish' output... on jpg

and for sure what I see needs to be what I get

I dont need absolute color accuracy ...for printing for example...
something is 'shifted' lately.....??

I noticed this in the last few weeks..
so I might have some setting in LR that I dont understand..

but I have not found any reason YET

if you have a clue for me
I would be grateful

I dont need perfect color accuracy..
i just post occasional pics to web...

but LATELY they got redder/warmer..
can you help

RAW EDIT before (LR 5 screen capture)
and then after jpg output ..as examples
flesh tones show the effect best - IMO

thanks again for your comments...

I would guess
 a small, effective, (relatively) inexpensive stabilizer system...

that would be very useful...

Lenses / Re: 35L or 50L?
« on: March 18, 2013, 08:32:00 PM »
also I am pretty sure the Sigma has lower chromatics than the 35L and the bokeh is about the same ....
that depends on the background distance ... and that may differ with different distances for each lens...
hard to test that I think

I like my Sigma wide open for these sort of shots
these were 1/50 sec so maybe some motion blur from the subject..
50L and 35L do not have this low chromatics.. in my experience...

and I ALSO believe Canon had to pull their almost released 35L II because Sigma was so good...
I will get the Canon 35L II if it is better...

Lenses / Re: 35L or 50L?
« on: March 18, 2013, 08:26:32 PM »
I never liked the 50 f1.2 the two times I tried it....
I tried to accept the vignetting, soft edges and chromatics... never got to the focus quirks...
but I personally don't care for 50mm over 35mm.... so it was uphill from the start

my 35L was pretty good @ f1.4.....and real good @ f2...
my sigma is as good as 35L @ f2....... but  @ f1.4..  and very little fringing/CA...
plus...perfect for a crop camera

However, I am SURE the 35L focused a just little bit faster and maybe more accurately...
I didn't try those two 35s together ....  and hardly ever for action shots

I did try the Sigma in a foot race yesterday...and DID notice I (I do mean ME) missed the focus a few times... so is it me, or my 5D3 settings or the Sigma...I dont know... I don't face those 'sports' situations that much ...so I am not qualified to judge.......this was a perfect situation for the 24-70mm f2.8 II  -  IMO
I'm almost certain mis-focuses were a combo of my technique(setting) AND the how the Sigma-5D3 work together

But the Sigma is - for sure - sharper than the 35L....maybe a stop ahead
I say get the Sigma 35 f1.4
I have been using it in low light situations mostly.....wonderful

you can almost get the sigma AND the 50mm NON-L for the 35L price....as already mentioned
I know I will get the 35L II when it arrives - if sharper and cleaner than the Sigma.....someday

a few race shots @ f2 from the Sigma (servo mode)

Lenses / Re: your goto everyday lens and why?
« on: March 04, 2013, 10:54:19 AM »
14L II as first choice
maybe the 16-35 II for added flex...
if I bring a second lens it will be 85L II....... as sun rises...

if summer/spring the second will be 100 macro
....possibly the macro is the only one ...if I specifically go out  to the gardens for bugs and flowers

if going to crowd-events the 14L II still first
then 135L or maybe the 70-200 f4/f2.8 II...where reach is needed
the Sigma 35 may go as third, if an opportunity seems to be there
(the first 2weeks I had the sigma it went alone...to force it on the world...as a test)

a low light kit for me would be 14L II, Sig35, 135L (and Tam 1.4x TC)


so I FIRST choose  the 14L II (with 16-35 zoom as a substitute)

Canon EF Prime Lenses / Re: Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM
« on: February 27, 2013, 10:04:16 AM »
this lens and the 14L are ALMOST all I need (and a camera body) ... maybe the Sigma 35

I was thrilled when they added I.S. 
same sharpness as the old one..... but now a bit more flex ...

don't use a tripod at all...not even with the old one

Lenses / Re: Photozone has released their review of the Sigma 35 1.4...
« on: February 27, 2013, 07:37:54 AM »

thanks for asking about Biff..... he was my closest wild animal friend
it has been a few weeks now....   I believe he is gone
I had a lab retriever MIKE when I was a kid... he peed on the colonel's flowers across the street....living on-base.  So...we were told to get rid of him. My dad gave him to a rice farmer ...in the valley. I am sure Mike ran and swam his life away..
I never got over that event......over MIKE.  Never had another dog.
Biff is right there behind Mike...in bonding...  I never saw a Jay other than Biff that would stand a foot or so from me...on the windowsill.. and just look at me...mumble little hellos...and listen to me play guitar..
he liked the maj7th chords..

it was a close friendship... of course he ate like a king
same building.. yrs back....up on the top floor ..with a view...
we had an air cond unit that stuck out the window...
and had a plastic 'window' above it to finish sealing the weather out.
I would take out that plastic.. and the air con was then an open-air platform ....just below eye level...

I got a passing seagul to land there once... coaxing him with a bit of salmon..
then he came every day... of course...so I left the plastic out most of the time..
and  so 'Johnny' came by...landed on the air con platform ... and basically walked inside and cried out ..
each morning... he woke me up... like a rooster
his wife sat up on the roof facade... 10 feet up and they took turns...but he controlled it all
if I left the plastic in...he would tap tap tap on the window... and I would remove it...

Johnny took food from my hand...usually dog food pellets...sometimes fish ..
and like Biff..later..I would talk quietly to him..face to face... a foot away..
...usually about how handsome he was...but sometimes politics..

when we moved downstairs he circled for months .. and followed me to the market sometimes....I really missed him too.... but then Biff showed up down on the patio.
and the hummers too...

Biff's remaining wife and I believe his offspring ..hang out...but Biff was unique...

thanks for asking about Biff .....

Young Biff

Old Biff


Lenses / Re: Photozone has released their review of the Sigma 35 1.4...
« on: February 26, 2013, 09:09:08 PM »
Thanks for enjoying the shot

yes that PREVIOUS shot... is my Sigma 35 f1.4 @ f2....cropped from the center
not really the right lens...just testing it...

birds ...mostly at my window

Frankie's feeder is 2" from the window edge....
I shoot them with the macro ....usually
here are two of Betty (his wife) ... then their baby Frankie Junior

then one of Frankie in the right light

sometimes with 70-200  with a tube...
but macro gets me the closest

thanks Canon..... for the silent mode on 5D3


Lenses / Re: Photozone has released their review of the Sigma 35 1.4...
« on: February 26, 2013, 08:39:05 PM »

yes ...expensive...I'll sell the sigma... and come up with another $1500...gasp!
hence my ...partly) tongue-in-cheek   'sell the farm'  comment

let me say
they took a pretty good 70-200 f4 ... and added I.S. and sharpened it up and it is arguably the sharpest zoom around....  amazing act...topping themselves..

they can do it....
it was not that much more expensive than the old non I.S. version...

put the team on it....lock the door... be a hero...
this is an invitation...frankly....

stop leaving work early on thursday guys....


doncha love competition!

P.S. the Sigma is quite sharp and bokeh is as good as any 35..... well...yes... this is subjective...
but it works for me  @ f1.4

Lenses / Re: Photozone has released their review of the Sigma 35 1.4...
« on: February 26, 2013, 02:06:55 PM »

NOW Canon can step up....

I bet they pulled their 35L mk II at the last minute.. because the Sigma was so good...
(I bought the Sigma ...it is very good)

I would like to see Canon put out a response toe the Sigma success... and it is ...success

let's have some ...best lens Canon ever made.....sort of lens with the New 35L II....

lets have some world shaking Bokeh quality.....
and maintain sharpness....

I want it already,....
selling my tractor and ... barn...
Kids can go to ...local community college ...


Canon EF Prime Lenses / Re: Canon EF 14mm f/2.8L II USM
« on: February 26, 2013, 01:26:59 PM »

Love you venice shot..
I could spend my days ...with a glass of wine watching the boats go by..

that night shot looks fun

you have some nice 14mm shots ...thanks for sharing them


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