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EOS Bodies / Re: Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs
« on: February 04, 2015, 11:45:19 AM »

As far as "professional" is concerned, I would expect either a (optical master capable) pop-up flash in any (large) DSLR body OR since we are in 2015 and talking about Canon ... an even tinier RT-radio wireless commander built right into the camera. Ideally in addition to pop-up flash, since the RT commander cannot provide fill flash capability in a pinch nor AF assist in a pinch.


Would be cool if Canon did this. I'm sure the technical challenges can be solved -- Canon has some pretty brilliant/creative engineers.

I think the main reason we don't see the built-in RF commander yet is that hot-shoe commanders still sell. I think it's a matter of time, though, before it happens. Might be a long time, but I'm confident there will eventually be built-in commanders in studio-oriented bodies.

Maybe Yongnuo will start making bodies, too.  :P :-X

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EOS Bodies / Re: Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs
« on: February 04, 2015, 11:22:54 AM »
Even for fill it is terrible. Use a reflector or modified flash off camera and the results are a lot better. Small light source in relation to the subject = harsh ugly light.

Yes, the larger the source in relation to the subject, the softer the light. However, there's more to light quality than relative size. Intensity is another factor. When using pop-up flash for fill, turn down the intensity. You can add enough light to a back-lit or slightly shaded subject to brighten it without adding harsh shadows.

Sure, a reflector or off-camera flash with modifier is more likely to give the most pleasing results, but it's not always possible or convenient. You either have to hold it at the correct angle with one hand while shooting with the other, or have a stand (more to carry) or an assistant (not always possible).

With a bit of practice adjusting pop-up flash intensity, and in certain scenarios, using a pop-up flash works well for fill and is very convenient. If it's possible to have one without compromising weather sealing, why not have it? People who don't want to use it can leave it down.




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EOS Bodies / Re: Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs
« on: February 04, 2015, 11:07:12 AM »
What makes you think I'm taking flash dominated exposures of people up close?  I'm often using it for fill, and only occasionally of people.

This.

It seems that those who poo-poo the pop-up flash only think of it as a primary light source when light is low. In such a scenario, of course -- it's awful. I use it in the opposite scenario, though -- modest fill in bright daylight when the subject is back-lit or somewhat shaded. It adds catch lights, too.

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EOS Bodies / Re: POLL: Price of 5Ds
« on: February 02, 2015, 03:02:52 PM »
If it's over 4 G-birds I could understand why. The S series has always been a premium product.
I agree, though the falling Yen and strong dollar may influence the pricing pretty heavily. That and the surprise prices of the 16-35 f/4IS and somewhat, 7DII.  It seems they have learned since the 24-70 f/4 IS...hopefully.

Agreed.

I like the trend (and that the 24-70 F4 IS was $799 after MIR by the time I picked one up. :P )

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EOS Bodies / Re: POLL: Price of 5Ds
« on: February 01, 2015, 07:29:06 PM »
Ever wonder why the 1Dx price went down? To make room above it

Yes -- for the Mark II.

It would really surprise me if Canon made room in the 1 Series pricing for a 5 Series body above it. Anything is possible, I guess, but...

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EOS Bodies / Re: POLL: Price of 5Ds
« on: February 01, 2015, 07:26:59 PM »
The only camera anywhere close to MP & price will be the 645Z - and that body is $8,500.  No reason to expect the 5Ds to be less than the 1Dx.  Should be between the two.

Why? Because they can, and there isn't a reason to not.  I am willing to bet that Nikon wishes they'd kept the D800 price a bit higher so they could discount it as needed to maintain sales numbers.

We're all speculating here, so to each his/her own...

That said, in my opinion, the decision to but a 5D badge on this body immediately constrained it to a particular price ceiling. To my knowledge, Canon doesn't even officially refer to the 5D Mark III as a "professional" body -- that honor is reserved for the 1 Series.

In terms of "because they can," that would only work if Canon held a monopoly. Competition (especially from upcoming high-megapixel Sony sensors) and other market forces will produce an equilibrium price that balances what Canon asks with what the market will support.

The only question in my mind is, "What is the 5D series price ceiling?" There is precedent for increase (5DII to 5DIII), so it's possible to see a similar bump. Timing and market conditions (both DSLR and financial markets) seem to point to a modest bump at most, but probably not huge -- unless this body blows everyone's minds. In which case, the target market will be lining up demanding that Canon take their money. :)

One other quick observation on pricing theory: It's a lot easier to start higher and lower the price than start below what the market will bear and increase the price.

People tend to get a lot angrier over price increases than high initial MSRPs. If a company underestimates what the market will bear and intros at too low a price, that profit is left on the table -- not good business strategy.

Even if Canon could perfectly predict what the market will bear, starting higher is better strategy. Early adopters and "must-havers" will pay the premium. Subsequent price drops have a positive effect on the psyche of the target market (like seeing a sofa with a price tag that says, "$2,499 $899!"

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EOS Bodies / Re: POLL: Price of 5Ds
« on: February 01, 2015, 07:10:24 PM »
My Guess: For the target market of this camera, the price will be received as very reasonable, even pleasantly surprised (remember the 7DII?). For everyone else, there might be some belly-aching.

Whatever the introduction price, if it fails to meet sales forecasts, Canon will make adjustments. If the price doesn't adjust to what you want within 6-12 months, it means you're not in the target market. It doesn't automatically mean Canon is inept.  :-X

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EOS Bodies / Re: Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs
« on: February 01, 2015, 07:01:31 PM »
The idea of paying extra to NOT get that is just idiotic to me. 

I'm still irked that if I ask for extra pickles on my hamburger, I pay extra, but they won't drop the price if I ask to hold the onions. If I had to pay extra to hold the onions, that would be idiotic, too! :P

From a business perspective, this is great for Canon (as long as implementation is as good as it can be). Whether or not people are paying for hype or actual added value doesn't much matter, as long as they're paying. Lower production cost and higher market equilibrium price just means more profit.

Canon (in the voice of Bart Simpson): "I'd be stupid not to do this!"

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EOS Bodies / Re: Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs
« on: January 31, 2015, 04:43:07 PM »

Figure this, at 50mp, will it be the equal of a Hasselblad? No way. Pixel size does matter. Larger ones are typically better, but when you are constrained by 35mm format, fitting more means making them smaller. Increases in resolution comes at the cost of smaller pixels. Thus, smaller pixels will have to become more efficient and accurate. The rumored 6400 ISO is an indication that efficiency wasn't increased much at all - they're just putting out high mega pixel count.


K, I agree with most of your comments. This one, I'm not so sure. If the smaller pixels were the reason for the ISO 6400 limit, would we not see the same limit on the 7DII? I believe the pixels are about the same size, yet the 7DII goes to ISO 16,000. In addition, it has been reported that the quantum efficiency of the 7DII is higher than that of earlier Canon sensors, including full frame.

I would think the biggest differences/advantages of medium format are:

1. Shallower depth of field.
2. Larger sensor = more light.

Anyway, food for thought...

I thought the limiting factor in this case was the heavier CFA design.  Get more color depth, sacrifice sensitivity?

Yep. That's what's being reported, and it would seem to make sense to me. Still wondering if there's some artificial limiting at play, too, in order to more clearly differentiate this body for its target segment...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs
« on: January 31, 2015, 04:40:32 PM »

Absolutely. This is (hopefully, pending tttmnbso* results) the camera I've been waiting for to become my Canon landscape camera.


* TTTMNBSO: The thing that must not be spoken of

LOL! I love it. Thanks, jrista!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs
« on: January 31, 2015, 04:39:34 PM »

I have lenses to shoot anything. However, I do a lot of targeted street photography where I cannot control any of the surrounding circumstances. Cars and people get in my way. Disturbing backgrounds popping up from nowhere. Unruly pedestrians wanting to pass me during a shot. Good scenes appearing and disappearing in an instant.

Cropping is an essential way to help me focus those shots on what I want to show and get rid of all the urban "noise". A ruined full body shot can thus often be saved by cropping the picture into a close portrait shot in stead.

I am sure others also have their reasons to crop a lot regardless of arming themselves with the "right" tool for the right job. Not all of us have the luxury of having control over our subject and surroundings.

Great point, Maiaibing. I often find myself cropping for similar reasons. Sometimes I frame for one composition, but some time later, I'll see a composition I like even better with some cropping. To me, cropping is one of the tools of the the creative process, and 50MP would sure enhance that.

It all comes down to philosophy of use, and that can vary a lot from one artist to the next...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs
« on: January 31, 2015, 04:35:58 PM »

Figure this, at 50mp, will it be the equal of a Hasselblad? No way. Pixel size does matter. Larger ones are typically better, but when you are constrained by 35mm format, fitting more means making them smaller. Increases in resolution comes at the cost of smaller pixels. Thus, smaller pixels will have to become more efficient and accurate. The rumored 6400 ISO is an indication that efficiency wasn't increased much at all - they're just putting out high mega pixel count.


K, I agree with most of your comments. This one, I'm not so sure. If the smaller pixels were the reason for the ISO 6400 limit, would we not see the same limit on the 7DII? I believe the pixels are about the same size, yet the 7DII goes to ISO 16,000. In addition, it has been reported that the quantum efficiency of the 7DII is higher than that of earlier Canon sensors, including full frame.

I would think the biggest differences/advantages of medium format are:

1. Shallower depth of field.
2. Larger sensor = more light.

Anyway, food for thought...


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EOS Bodies / Re: More About the EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R
« on: January 31, 2015, 02:17:15 AM »
... except for shots with blown whites, because clipping keeps being clipped no matter how you downscale, denoise or crop it.
Must you insist on repeatedly bringing reality into this discussion?  ;) :P

Yes, because I use ML's dual_iso fro 14+ ev dr all the time and have settled for the fact that indeed ~20mp is fine for what I do ... so Canon releasing a 50mp sensor makes my head all fuzzy and I have to do a reality check :-)

Nailed it.  I keep wondering when Canon will bust that feature out in native firmware rather than a Magic Lantern hack.  dPAF seems ideal for it.  Maybe in the 5D4

I'd love to see this, too. Good for the guys (and gals?) at Magic Lantern for pushing the capabilities of the Canon system to new levels. Might light a fire for Canon...

And thanks, Marsu, for touting ML so often. There are probably a number of members here who heard about it first from your posts...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs
« on: January 31, 2015, 02:09:13 AM »
Famateur, having read the last few pages of all your posts, I have to say you're one of the few on here who really gets it.  Canon has obviously created a whole new line up to suit each professional need. There won't be 4k on the 5Ds because it's not meant for that.  My prediction is that we see a 1DX2 before the 5D4. Both of these rigs will have 4K.  The 1DC just got a $4000 price drop. It's now $7999.  Releasing a new 1DX2 also at $7k+ makes no sense with a 1DC at the same price.  The 1DC is being phased out I bet. The 1DX and 1DC will become the 1DX2.  A 1DC now is nothing more than exactly a 1DX with 4k added.  If a 1DX2 comes out with DPAF...which it most assuredly will... A 1DC is suddenly a bit of a dog.  What I think we will get at the end of the summer is an all around 25mp ish 5D4 and 20.2MP 1DX2 both with DPAF and 4k capability with the 1DX2 blasting 14FPS, some obscene number of AF points spread wide across the frame and fabulous low light high ISO ability along with the full time video AF features in the 7D2 and maybe even a Real audio preamp for mic input.

Thanks...it's fun trying to piece everything together from a combination of legitimate clues and wild speculation. :P

Your thoughts on the fate of the 1DC are interesting -- the price drop sure seems to be a signal that they could make a major change in the Cinema line.

One thing is sure: Canon is making a move, and that's exciting (to me, anyway). There will be plenty who complain about the move, no matter which way it goes, but I'm still excited.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs
« on: January 31, 2015, 02:04:20 AM »
I'd rather use 36MP Exmor for that stuff than just 14MP more and worse DR.
Not holding my breath, but if the rumor that it's a Canon sensor from a new process is true, we could be pleasantly surprised on the dynamic range front...

Canon increasing dr *and* res significantly at the same time? "Oink oink flap flap" :-)



Love the image, but there's just not enough dynamic range in the scene to impress me. Maybe if you had shot it directly into the sun...  ;)

Seriously, though...you may be right. It feels nice to hope, though, even if it might be a little naive. :P

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