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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5Ds & EOS 5Ds R Image & Video Samples
« on: February 07, 2015, 01:46:44 PM »

Here are a few images from the last few days:

Stunning! Thanks for sharing. 

EOS Bodies / Re: Who is going to buy the new 5Ds's?
« on: February 07, 2015, 02:43:18 AM »
Eldar, that puts things in perspective as to what you were hoping for and received.  Also, I know you're considering MF and don't know if you saw this article, but the DR examples sure make me want to get the Pentax!

Here's an outstanding review on the 645Z authored by CR member wockawocka:

He's such a nice guy that if you send he a few pounds to help pay for his web hosting fees, he'll send you 100 raw files to play around with :) After spending a few hours doing just that, I'm now considering selling one of my cars to fund a new Pentax ;D

IMHO, the 645Z is the new gold standard in IQ. Pair it up with a 5D3 or a 1DX, and you have yourself a deadly combination of speed/versatility and ultimate static IQ :) Most reviews rave about the DR of the 645Z, and it is stunning, but the standout feature for me is its ability to render fine tonal gradations, particularly in the shadows and highlights. The tonality is so smooth you can't really call them gradients at all.   

For severely backlit sunset shots, I often stack two ND grad filters (six stops total), underexpose the foreground by one stop, and fill the subject ( a car :) ) in with two 1,000ws monolights. After playing around with 100-plus raw files from the 645Z, I figure I can pull this same shot off with no grad filters and a couple of speedlights. Obviously, less time setting up when the good light is rapidly fading  = less frustration = more shots fired = more keepers. 

I tried my best to traumatize the 645Z's files in post, particularly wockawocka's sunset shots, but was only able to get a wee bit of artifacting only visible when pixel peeping. This thing's a beast, and I hope to own one someday :)

EOS Bodies / Re: Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs
« on: February 06, 2015, 02:37:38 PM »
So Canon's business strategy is like Taco Bell? That's the best analogy I've heard yet ;D

EOS Bodies / Re: What do/don't you like about the 5Ds?
« on: February 06, 2015, 12:38:23 PM »

You forget that the new 5Ds have 50 MP.. not 21 or 22MP.

Downsample and you will be suprised..  but there is no free lunch.

Of course the per pixel noise will go up when you make the Photosites smaller.

The praised D800 sensor is no exception to that rule.

Good point, but Nikon tripled the resolution of the D800 compared to the D700, and reduced noise at the same time. Results like that makes everyone greedy ;D

Now that Canon has showed its hand, updating the camera bag with a 1DX and a 645Z would be the ultimate combo. Just gotta win the lottery first :) Of course, the new bodies would only improve my images 1-5 percent at most, so I'll stick with my 5D3 ;D

EOS Bodies / Re: What do/don't you like about the 5Ds?
« on: February 06, 2015, 12:15:52 PM »
DR like 5D MK3, noise like 5D MK2 ( a bit better in fact) that´s what Chuck said.. and Chuck knows best.

That's great, but the 5D3's DR is no better or slightly worse than the 5D2, which is now six-year-old technology. Based on what Chuck said, the 5Ds' noise is slightly worse than the three-year-old 5D3, which was less than one stop better than the 5D2. Not much progress by Canon on that front, either. 

And it´s more fun than a sitting in front of a PC and complainng on forums all day.  ;)

You must have missed the part where I stated that I'm more than happy with the performance of Canon sensors for most of my shooting needs. However, for landscape photogs for whom the 5Ds is targeted at, Canon hasn't done much to address their needs.

EOS Bodies / Re: What do/don't you like about the 5Ds?
« on: February 06, 2015, 12:00:52 PM »

Can you explain why famous Photographers (Photogs i actually KNOW from their work) are very happy with the new 5D´s?

You have special needs?

You mean the ones that were paid by Canon to put together PR videos while reading off cue cards ;D? Seriously though, I'm sure some photogs, famous and unfamous, will be very happy with the 5Ds. However, Canon had the opportunity to address the biggest deficiencies of their sensors compared to the competition, and didn't. This isn't a huge deal for my type of shooting, but it's a huge deal for landscape shooters who were already disgruntled in the first place.   

EOS Bodies / Re: What do/don't you like about the 5Ds?
« on: February 06, 2015, 11:44:05 AM »
- Mediocre low-light performance

So you did test it... wow.

Well, you have to read between the lines at this point. The limited max ISO of 6400 should be one clue. In the 5Ds preview articles that are out there, Canon reps claim the ISO performance is equal to the 5D2, but they won't go as far as saying it's as good as the 5D3.

EOS Bodies / What do/don't you like about the 5Ds?
« on: February 06, 2015, 11:40:04 AM »
Two points to make up front:

1) I love my 5D3 despite it's "limited" DR :)
2) I'm fully aware that the 5Ds doesn't replace the 5D3, but merely complements the 5D line. Thanks goodness :)

So here's my list of 5Ds likes and dislikes:


- Canon users awaiting a high-megapixel body finally have a high-megapixel option.


- No increase in FPS in crop mode
- Mediocre low-light performance
- No improvements in DR

Honestly, I was a million times more excited when the 5D3 was announced, as it addressed what were (IMHO) the most glaring deficiencies of the 5D2 (AF system and speed). I'm not a landscape shooter, but if I was I would have very mixed feelings about this body.

Why go through the trouble of designing a specialty/niche body that doesn't address one of the top priorities of photographers in that niche (DR, clean shadows)? Why market a product whose only advantage over the competition is resolution, while lagging behind in ISO and FPS? IMHO, 12 stops of DR is plenty for a general purpose camera like the 5D3, but a purpose-built landscape/studio body should at least attempt to bridge the gap between it and the competition. 

I'm glad I'm not a landscape shooter, as the 5D3 will continue serving my needs just fine :)

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5Ds & EOS 5Ds R Image & Video Samples
« on: February 06, 2015, 10:41:03 AM »

I have both the Pentax 645Z and the D800E and the Pentax is just superb. The only time I have used my D800E since I got the Z was for a magazine article where the magazine insisted I shoot with the Nikon. I had the 5D3 before the nikon and lived the high ISO performance and the truly silent silent shutter (Nikons implementation of this is poor way to much sound on the quiet shutter). I gave the camera to my brother in law to borrow.

The Z performs really well at all ISOs low as well as ridiculously high. Dynamic range is more than 14 stops and I tend to ETTL rather than ETTR as you can push so much detail from the shadows it's ridiculous.

With the new canon I know people are asking for shots at wide apertures but since they are pitching this at landscape shooters like me so f/11 is far more typical for my style of shooting than f/4 or f/5.6 would ever be. So tests should be on this basis of apertures f/8 to f/16. With nikon I frequently shoot at f/11-16 and the Pentax I'm normally in f/11-16 with some forays into f/22. I don't do pixel peeping so am not nitty picky about theoretical diffraction.

The only thing that would get me back to Canon with this would be if they sort out the low ISO noise and banding and get to 14 stops of DR. I don't want to be forced to do HDR because the camera can't shoot scenes I want to. I am in the market for a possible replacement for the Nikon but may see what Sony offers by way of A7R2

Thanks for the feedback. Your impressions echo the sentiments of others who have used or owned both the D800 and the 645Z. How do you like the Pentax glass?

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5Ds & EOS 5Ds R Image & Video Samples
« on: February 06, 2015, 02:46:57 AM »
The only excuse I see for buying this over the 5d3 is if you really need all those pixels, apparently no improvement on  image quality.

Yeah, the poorer ISO performance is disappointing, but then again, it's a studio/landscape camera and it's not intended to be a 5D3 replacement. Nevertheless, the D800 had triple the resolution and superior ISO performance compared to the D700, so as consumers it's easy to get greedy and want it all :)

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5Ds & EOS 5Ds R Image & Video Samples
« on: February 06, 2015, 02:43:19 AM »

Yes, I've been thinking about 645z myself as I start to push my d800/e bodies in some situations.

If you get the Pentax, please give me your impressions of it, especially as it compares to the D800. Everyone seems to be raving over this thing, and I might make for a good tax write-off :)

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5Ds & EOS 5Ds R Image & Video Samples
« on: February 06, 2015, 02:30:10 AM »
Even the exmor types are getting near the physics limits of technology so if Canon's still off-sensor digitizing with the pair of Digic processors then we may still be seeing some read noise issues which, combined with the smaller pixels, will make for somewhat noisier images when pixel-peepin.

I wish someone made a camera with a super-sized Exmor and 50 megapixels to boot. Oh wait, Pentax does :)

I don't need the extra 28 megapixels, and I sure as hell don't want to sacrifice 1 stop of ISO performance and 1 FPS, so I'll stick with my 5D3. IMHO, if you really need medium format IQ, you need to get an MF body.

That said, I'm glad Canon shooters waiting for a high-res body now have a viable option. I'm sure the 5Ds will make a lot of people happy.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5Ds & EOS 5Ds R Image & Video Samples
« on: February 06, 2015, 01:52:07 AM »
FWIW, I wasn't too impressed with the tonal gradation at ISO 400 in the fantasy scene either.

For a high-res body, this is a much bigger priority for me than DR. Canon has closed the resolution gap between 35mm and medium format, but I'm skeptical that any full-frame sensor can close the overall IQ gap between 35mm and MF. I know it's not a fair comparison, but Canon's the one making the comparison in its own press release :)

As for DR, according to this preview, the 5Ds' DR is the same as the 5D3.

I'll most likely skip the 5Ds, especially if it's low-light performance is no better or worse than my 5D3. While 50 megapixels might close the resolution gap between 35mm and medium format, I'm highly skeptical that any 35mm sensor can close the overall gap in IQ. 

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R Press Release
« on: February 05, 2015, 09:43:16 AM »
So same FPS in crop mode vs. non-crop mode? That would be disappointing.

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