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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: How to differentiate crop vs. FF
« on: October 13, 2014, 12:12:34 PM »
I find the tonal range of FF images to be substantially better than those captured with a crop sensor. That said, I almost never recommend FF over a crop body for those seeking the most value per dollar.

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Anyway, at the end of the day if all Canon sees and hears is that it's not that big of a deal, nobody but a few will care, we will be stuck with this old 500nm fab for another decade or two, literally. So I don't see that it does anyone any good to minimize it. Even if you don't need it, it won't hurt you and a new fab might bring stuff that you do care about more too. Plus at least once in a blue moon you must mess up the exposure on a one of shot and at least you'll be able to rescue that better. And for those who do care more, we'll it would be great. Less money to get all your gear from one brand than a mix. Less to carry and drag around which can be a pain, literally. Canon does make awesome lenses, has a very nice UI and so on so it is nicer if Canon improves their sensors to go to a different system.

So if I understand correctly, the purpose of incessantly complaining about the lack of DR in Canon sensors is to get Canon to notice, light a fire under Canon's ass, and inspire them improve DR? That objective, by nature, requires repeating the same sentiment (Canon's DR sucks) over and over again on a forum. That action, by nature, is one that many people on this forum find very irritating. Naturally, those people will eventually voice their displeasure.

What I don't understand is that when people happy with their Canon gear voice their displease, the pro-DR guys all of a sudden start complaining that they're being bullied, and complain that they're being personally insulted? I'm not saying that personal insults are OK, but seriously, what do you expect? Should I go stand in front of a church, proclaim the virtues of Islam, and expect a welcoming response?

The notion that the pro-DR guys are innocent angels in all this, and only the brainwashed happy Canon guys are throwing the insults, is absolutely ridiculous. You must have missed the posts where the DR advocates state their intentions of saving the anti-DR guys from their ignorance, showing them the error of their ways, and showing them how much happier they'd be if that had equally high standards of IQ and DR. That must constitute objective commentary in your book.   

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... The difference is does the person work around them. In dilbert case, not so much and why I said DR is the least of the problems others and I have observed with his photos. Which in kinda like ignoring the gaping hole in the wall to work on a miniscule paint chip.

But I'm sure he'll get a high DR body and his photos will still continue to be what they are. That's the real tragedy here.

And above is another example for V8Beast who claims nobody every goes down the first path of personally trashing someone's photography. Of course if someone dares point out that a few of those who insult others work personally (in many cases without ever having even seen any of it) have sometimes had nothing but a few OOF cat shots, then suddenly it's oh see the DR crowd just goes around and picks and insults people. NO! They were just pushed to the point of pointing out some hypocrisy.

label them as talentless geeks who shoot lens caps all day.

Which most are.

It has been demonstrated time and time and time again that most of the "problems" these trolls ascribe to inadequate sensors, actually come from their own incompetent conversion and post processing decisions; or from a deliberate attempt to fake the "proof" that a problem exists. 

Haha, ah yes and once again, V8Beast are you still going to claim that NOBODY says that DR never makes any difference and that it's not the other side that constantly starts taking it personal and constantly subtly, or in this case, very much not, tries to imply or directly state that anyone who might ever have a use for more DR are just dweebs, trolls, incompetent morons?

I take it I've said something that offends you :o? Man, I must have been a real d!ck to get called out twice in a span of 6 minutes ;D

My claims were based on my personal observations, which I admit could have very well missed insults directed at the pro-DR crowd. I'm sorry that I choose to ignore most of this preposterous back-and-forth squabbling. I was incorrect in my assessment, and extend my sincere apologies. Does that work for you ;D?

Please humor me for just a moment, though. Are the anti-DR guys the only one hurling insults? From my perspective, the insults are originating from both sides, but maybe I'm just crazy.

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Actually, what it will come with is a tripod mount that attaches to the lens, thereby shifting the center of gravity and the weight that the ball friction needs to keep horizontal. As it stands, in the 70-300 range, I'm only aware of the Canon 70-300L having a lens collar for tripods.

Yeah, keep blaming the gear, buddy. I've shot with heavy long lenses without tripod collars more times than I can count. A sturdy tripod, a cable release, and locking up the mirror works wonders.

I'm guessing that the gear you're using is completely different to that which I use on a regular basis as you have different regular operating requirements.

Possibly, but since you brought up a 70-300, I presume we're talking about long lenses, in which case my experience applying the aforementioned techniques (sturdy tripod, cable release, mirror lock) with a 70-300L, 70-200 f/2.8L, and 100-400L are still applicable to the discussion.

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Here ya go, dilbert:
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Yes, then I'll be able to come back and taunt you all with pictures that your Canon cameras can't match :D
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I don't see a vow anywhere in that text.

You've stated your intentions of taunting Canon users with pictures that our Canon cameras can't match. That's the point. Nitpicking over semantics is merely an attempt to divert focus from your stated intentions, which you claim you never stated: ie "taunt you all with pictures that your Canon cameras can't match." 

Replacing "vow" with "state" or "express" doesn't change the context of you said in the least bit. Nice try, though.

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Chicago Wedding Photographer here. Very cool site. I happen to shoot Canon, but I don't think it makes ANY difference. I love Chicago, but now we are entering our cold season :-(

Love your portfolio and processing technique! Great stuff :)

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At the time, I thought the first photo I sold was half decent. Looking back at it now, I think it's complete $hit and I can't believe anyone paid money for it :o

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Sending more than one or two letters does do anything and might even be counter productive (unless maybe they just keep a running numerical tally and won't eventually notice if the same person sends the same letter 100 times  ;D ? ). If lots of people bring it up all over the place maybe it spirals into enough attention for Canon to decide to go to a new fab sooner rather than another 15 years from now. And more attention can get more people to actually write in.


I think you greatly underestimate how seriously companies take customer complaint letters and over-estimate forum banter. Having worked lots of low-level customer service jobs when I was paying for college, I can assure you that it's much harder to ignore a complaint letter submitted directly to a company than it is to ignore forum banter or even a phone call. A random complaint letter makes it much higher up the totempole then you might think, especially when it bears some semblance of intelligence :)

Interestingly, one of those low-level customer service jobs was at Toshiba when Masaya Maeda was running the show. As soon as he took over, he demanded that the entire company begin transitioning to digitized documents because he felt paper was for cavemen. Considering that was 14 years ago, that doesn't sound like a person who's content resting on antiquated technology. 

IMHO, Canon determined that the potential money to be made by improving sensor DR didn't, from a business perspective, justify the investment required to improve sensor DR. At least for this generation of bodies. Either that, or they don't have the technology to do it.

I'm sure many forum members have been asked to participate in Canon's surveys and market research studies. If the majority of those surveyed expressed gross dissatisfaction with DR, I don't see how they could ignore it.

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Here ya go, dilbert:

.... a blatantly contrived scenario merely to prove your point........

That's what is often considered passive aggressive behavior, dilbert seems to come by it naturally, don't call him on it though, that makes him really jiggy.

Get out and away from your computer. Go in search of locations and environments in the natural world that challenge you. Let me clue you in on something: nature isn't built with photographers in mind.

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Had I of taken this image with an Exmor based camera ...

Please please dilbert, if you don't yet have an Exmor based camera, sell off all your Canon gear right now and buy one.

I'm already committing next year's tax return to buying Sony.

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Hopefully, you'll lose all interest in things Canon and CR, should you then choose to grace us with your absence, the atmosphere here on CR can then lighten considerably.

Yes, then I'll be able to come back and taunt you all with pictures that your Canon cameras can't match :D

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I suspect that once you start posting in Sonykon/Exmor forums, those folk will soon tire of your continued rants regarding build quality, lens choices, support issues, lack of conservative market stability, menus, ergonomics, flash systems, etc..
Lens choices? There's a huge expanse of lenses that can be used with Sony cameras, including many fine rangefinder optics.
Support Issues? Let me tell you about the time I had to send a lens to Canon 3 times to get it repaired ... now I just use 3rd parties as equipment is out of warranty.
Conservative market stability is not something that I desire. My camera and lenses are tools, not investments. A digital camera (like any other technology product) is obsolete the day it is announced.
Flash systems? For 99%+ of my shots I don't use a flash.

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I'd say for every 2 out of three drones, the photos they actually produce are garbage. Now I'm speaking about the drones that come here to complain so fiercely that when we actually scrutinize the photos the produce, they fall flat on their face.

Careful. I get flamed every time I make a similar observation. According to some of the most vocal DR "advocates," most people seeking more DR do indeed produce stunning images.......it's just that they keep those images top secret, and no one is allowed to see them.
I think you mistake that I want to be correct on that statement. I really hope that I'm wrong and a Droner can prove me wrong. IE: dilbert.

I'd love to be proven wrong. dilbert has vowed to post images that makes Canon shooters envious once he switches to SoNikon.

Strange, I don't recall ever making any such vow.



Conveniently short memory, eh? I recall you mentioning you were going to spend your next tax return on a SoNikon, and come back and post images that you can never take with a Canon to make all Canon shooters on here envious.


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Actually, what it will come with is a tripod mount that attaches to the lens, thereby shifting the center of gravity and the weight that the ball friction needs to keep horizontal. As it stands, in the 70-300 range, I'm only aware of the Canon 70-300L having a lens collar for tripods.

Yeah, keep blaming the gear, buddy. I've shot with heavy long lenses without tripod collars more times than I can count. A sturdy tripod, a cable release, and locking up the mirror works wonders.

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This image won a contest here in Alaska which got me represented by a stock agency. It has earned me thousands of dollars since I took it in 2009.


Stunning!

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Sports / Re: Your favourite motorsports events
« on: October 09, 2014, 12:24:47 AM »
Lewis is back! I somehow missed the breaking news until now.

Initial reports indicate that Honda is putting together a power unit that could very well be the class of the field. That said, McLaren already has the Mercedes power unit, which is currently the class of the field, yet is still struggling mightily. Hopefully the team can get the rest of the chassis sorted out.

I'm still shocked at the logic - or lack thereof - behind Ferrari showing Alonso the door in favor of Vettel. Now that there's a vacant seat at Mercedes, I can't imagine him signing with any other team, unless he did indeed sign a contract with Honda directly. If McLaren returns to form, Hamilton and Alonso battling it out once again is going to be epic!

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Sports / Re: Your favourite motorsports events
« on: October 09, 2014, 12:18:23 AM »
Yes, our thoughts and prayers go out to Bianchi and his family. They didn't show the impact on TV here in the states, and I'm glad they didn't. I'm sure it was horrific, and I have no interest in seeing it. Let's hope he can make some type of recovery!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Multilayer Sensors are Coming From Canon [CR2]
« on: October 09, 2014, 12:10:06 AM »
I'd say that most FF cameras could benefit from a 16-bit ADC. Even Canon cameras, which still have high read noise, can benefit. You won't see an editing latitude increase on a Canon camera (not with current read noise levels anyway), however overall, you should still see improved tonal grading. Convert 65, 80, 150 thousand electrons into 16k digital units, and your needlessly limiting your tonal range. Convert 65, 80, 150 thousand electrons into 65k digital units, and you greatly expand your tonal range...that should mean smoother gradients, softer shadow falloff (until you hit the read noise floor), etc.

Very interesting info. Other than higher bit ADC, what other methods can be used to improve tonal range?

I'm often shooting product images of engine or suspension parts that are some slightly different shade of gray, white, or black. Since I have 100 percent of the control over lighting, in these scenarios I'm far more interested in improvements in tonal range than dynamic range, although dynamic range is still a nice convenience.

Similar products shots I've seen captured with medium format gear absolutely kicks the $hit out of anything captured on 35mm sensors in terms of super fine tonal gradations. It makes me envious, but I don't shoot nearly enough product gigs like this to warrant investing in medium format.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Multilayer Sensors are Coming From Canon [CR2]
« on: October 08, 2014, 07:23:12 PM »


And the effective res is a bit lower per processing power and storage space required and they have relatively modest low ISO DR.



So what's the point, then? It sounds like there are lots of drawbacks with the only potential advantage being "truer colors."

Does modest low ISO DR mean worse than current Canon sensors, similar to current Canon sensors, or similar to Canon sensors with the potential for a big DR increase given innovative tech/manufacturing?

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