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EOS Bodies / Re: This web site is making me question why I lurk here
« on: March 31, 2012, 09:32:35 PM »
The lesson I learned: Photography, like everything else is about 10% technical skill and 90% people skills. If you can't empathize with people, put yourself into their shoes and have a real interest in them, it usually comes across in your pictures.

I suspect that even if your business is taking beautiful images of incredible cars, you're still dependent on your people skills.

Very true. I don't have the right personality for weddings, portrait, or fashion work, but even shooting cars requires some people skills. People often show up for shoots late, with broke down cars that don't run, and then want to take off early before the job is done. Dealing with difficult situations, and willing your way through a shoot, has nothing to do with photography skills, but if you can't handle the situation you'll likely produce poor images.

EOS Bodies / Re: My first real shoot with the 5DIII
« on: March 31, 2012, 09:25:27 PM »
I see a lot of chrome and reflections. No surprise EC was needed.
Good thing there are many metering modes to choose from and experiment with.

In the past it has taken me many, many months to get totally comfortable and familiar with new cameras, and that's with daily pro use. I'm not crazy about the endless things I'll have to master with the MK lll, starting with AF.

Nice car shots, great color.

I don't expect any light meter on earth to accurately meter shots with lots of chrome or with highly reflective objects. The weird thing is the camera seems to underexpose in far less challenging lighting conditions as well. There are several shots I took yesterday with lots of black, but the meter underexposed the by a full stop. For all I know, this might be completely normal and perhaps the 5DIII is more sensitive to highlights than I'm accustomed to.

As you suggested, there's always a learning curve with a new body and I'll have to adjust accordingly :) I'm going to let a friend of mine borrow it to get his impressions. Maybe I'm just going crazy.

I can think of two scenarios in which the difference in IQ between a 60D and 5DIII wouldn't be obvious:

1) You've refined you're technique so much, that you're able to get such outstanding results from a 60D that rivals that of a 5DIII.

2) You've never quite pushed the limits of the 60D, in which case better equipment won't do much for your image at all.

If #1 were the case, however, you should be able to apply that same technique set to the 5DIII, and get some truly stunning results. It's like I tell my wannabe wine buddies. If you can't tell the difference between a $5 bottle and a $50 bottle, by all means save your money and drink the $5 bottle.

EOS Bodies / Re: My first real shoot with the 5DIII
« on: March 31, 2012, 09:11:26 PM »
V8Beast, could it be that you have highlight tone priority, and/or auto lighting optimizer settings enabled? If so, try shooting with them disabled That might be the cause of your under exposure problem.

I have both highlight tone priority and auto lighting optimizer disabled. I have the camera set to record raws to the CF card, and jpegs the SD card, and both sets of images have the same problem :(

As for the under exposed flash images, I was thinking maybe the 550EXs are too old to properly interface with the 5DIII. That, however, wouldn't explain why the metering is off when I'm not using flash.

5D MK III Sample Images / Re: 5D MK III Images
« on: March 31, 2012, 08:38:39 PM »
Great shots! I'm finding the metering on my 5DIII to be quite inaccurate in evaluative mode. It routinely under-exposes by 1 to 1.5 stops. Has anyone else experience similar issues?

EOS Bodies / My first real shoot with the 5DIII
« on: March 31, 2012, 07:27:14 PM »
First the results:

Now some commentary. This car wasn't running right, so I didn't get to put the AF system through the ringer, but overall I like the camera. That said, I do have some concerns with, of all things, the light meter. I don't have a 5DII, so I can only compare it to my 5DC. I almost always keep the metering in evaluative mode. For some reason, I had to bump the exposure compensation up 1 to 1.5 stops all day long. Even in scenes that aren't contrasty by any means, the light meter seems to freak out whenever it seems any whites, grays, or silvers.

I don't expect miracles from a light meter, and as an old film fart, I still bracket. Even so, for my shooting needs, I find the metering on my 5DC is more accurate. The 5DIII seems overly sensitive to highlights as far as metering is concerned, which could be a good thing depending on what you shoot, but I'm not crazy about it thus far.

The same thing plays out when use a couple of 550EXs off camera for fill or accent lighting. In this arrangement, both the ambient and flash output is underexposed. I was cranking up on the flash exposure compensation 1 to 1.5 stops all day. Metering was inaccurate in both AF and manual focus modes. Me no likey :(

I'll have to play with the different metering modes more until I pass final judgement, but I'm less than thrilled with it so far. Hopefully it's just user error.

Has anyone experience similar issues?

EOS Bodies / Re: This web site is making me question why I lurk here
« on: March 30, 2012, 11:43:25 AM »
So if I'm reading things correctly, this thread has become a technique vs. gear debate? Here's my worthless take, from observing how the industry has changed with the advent of digital in the last 10 years.

1) The big tech head photographers - those that know everything there is to know about everything from DxOMark test standards to film emulsions - often produce very underwhelming work.

2) The artsy-fartsy "seat-of-the-pants" photographers - some who don't even know how many megapixels their camera has (that's not a joke!) - often produce the best work.

Nonetheless, the best photographers are the ones that are a combination of #1 and #2. Not only do they have the natural artistic qualities that can't be taught in a book or in a classroom, they also supplement those abilities with booksmarts which ultimately enhances their work. These chaps have managed to strike the ideal balance between the technical and artistic elements that are required to produce outstanding photography. That means you have to always work to improve your technique, but you also have to stay on top of the latest and greatest technology, as technology offers new venues and opportunities through which to push the limits of creativity.

I've witnessed many photographers that were the class of the field during the film era that flat out got left behind after the digital revolution. They refused to embrace digital for as long as they could, and once they did, they were WAY behind the curve. Competitors had already refined their post processing skills, and learned to refine their technique in the field to best utilize the flexibility of digital. Maybe the purists thought the digital guys were silly tech heads, but ultimately, many purists got left in the dust.

There will always be those that produce underwhelming images with overwhelming equipment, and those that produce overwhelming images with underwhelming equipment. It's all about finding a balancing act between both extremes. IMHO, it's the photographers that continually hone their technique as new technology opens new creative possibilities for them that will rise to the top.

EOS Bodies / Re: I think I got a sharp one
« on: March 30, 2012, 11:08:18 AM »

LOL your mirror could use a good cleaning, but the pictures seem very good indeed.


I keep my mirrors dirty on purpose. Otherwise I get distracted by how handsome I am every time I switch lenses :D

Lighting / Re: If you have a 5DIII and the Phottix Odins....
« on: March 30, 2012, 11:03:18 AM »
not only that but 580ex2 will fire at 1/8000 sec with HSS turned off at full power
using the odin thats massive being able to fire 580's at full power at high shutter speeds increases the
usage by orders of magnitudes.

That's crazy. I don't even know how that's possible, as I didn't know it was possible to use HSS at full power, but I'm not complaining. I'm definitely going to pick up some Odins.

Thanks for the great feedback my mate from down under :)

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 5D III RAW @12800 w/ NR in LR4
« on: March 29, 2012, 11:56:49 PM »
People love my bird shots...and most of them see mere PRINTS, which probably have about 6 stops of DR at most!

Who cares about prints? It's all about blowing your images up to 100%, and popping wood over all the detail you can see :o

Lighting / Re: If you have a 5DIII and the Phottix Odins....
« on: March 29, 2012, 10:47:15 PM »
Thanks! Much appreciated!

EOS Bodies / Re: I think I got a sharp one
« on: March 29, 2012, 10:44:36 PM »
What's the price on the 1D?

I think it's against forum rules to post anything like that :o

EOS Bodies / Re: I think I got a sharp one
« on: March 29, 2012, 10:14:50 PM »
Just noticed the in-camera lens correction in action in these two shots. The image was spot focused on the mirror, so don't freak out, it's not soft :) The top is the raw, and the bottom is the jpeg. The camera do a decent job of correcting the vignetting, which is most visible in the bottom right of the frame.



EOS Bodies / I think I got a sharp one
« on: March 29, 2012, 10:07:23 PM »
I won't get to put my 5DIII through the ringer until tomorrow, but since I had to take a few snaps of my 1DII which I'll be getting rid of soon, I did get a chance to at least take it out for a test run. All images are out of camera raws converted to jpeg in CS5. Neither lens used has been micro adjusted yet.

Focus point was the "Canon" logo using automatic AF selection. Shot with 24-105L at 105mm: f/8, 1/125, ISO 100

Focus point was on eye cup using zone AF selection. Shot with 24-105L at 105mm: f/8, 1/180, ISO 100

Focus point is where the label reads "Complies with the Canadian..." using auto AF selection. Shot with 70-300L at 260 mm, f/8, 1/180, ISO 100

Old film habits die hard, so I usually manually focus for stuff like this. For the sake of testing out the AF system, however, I tried out auto, zone, and spot AF selection, and had pretty good luck with each of them.

Each one of these were also shot as jpegs in the "Standard" picture setting, which is set at "3" for sharpening on a 0-7 scale. Not surprisingly, the jpegs were just a hair sharper, but not any sharper than the raws once a smidgen of unsharp mask was applied. There was just as much detail, particularly in the rubber grip areas, in the jpegs as in the raws. Based on some reports, it sounds like the jpeg processing is obliterating the detail in camera, but these images escaped unscathed.

This is obviously a very small sample set, so I really need to take the camera on a real shoot before drawing a more definitive conclusion. Considering that the 24-105 at zoomed to 105mm isn't the sharpest lens in the Canon catalog, I'm pleased with the preliminary results.

Lighting / If you have a 5DIII and the Phottix Odins....
« on: March 29, 2012, 03:29:55 PM »
....could you please do a quick test for me? I'm about to order some Odins up, but maintaining high speed sync functionality is critical for my shooting needs. Some people have noticed that the PocketWizards will only sync up to 1/160 or 1/200. I'd like to know if the Odins can sync at 1/1000 shutter speeds or faster.

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