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One thing I didn't mention was that I'm using a B+W Kaesemann Circular Polarizer.  You think this might effect the noise I'm getting?

Nah. I use the exact same filter in almost all of my long-lens shots and never had any issues. It's a bad@ass filter!

EOS Bodies / Re: Another "5D Mark III or used XX" topic!
« on: April 01, 2012, 09:33:26 PM »
Hi All,

I'm getting nearer to making a purchase decision around my next EOS body.  Obviously the 5D Mark III is the flavour of the month, and I've tried it out a couple of times at camera shops and been very impressed.  However, the price is very high (US$4200) for this body in New Zealand, so I'm considering the following used alternatives:

1DS Mark III - the previous 'big daddy' of the range.  A mint condition used 1dsIII is a couple of hundred dollars cheaper than a new 5D Mark III.  It's only 1fps slower than the 5D, but has better shutter response and weather sealing.  Does its image quality hold up well against the 5D?  And could you use its 5fps for sports/action photography, within reason?

Wow, I didn't realize the 1DsIII's had plummeted so much in price. Looks like they're going for $3.500 to $4,000 on ebay. Very tempting :)

I've only taken my 5DIII on one real shoot so far, and overall it's a great camera. Image quality wise, however, it's not much of a jump from the 5DII, which was pretty much dead even with the 1DsIII. For the sake of your comparison, ISO performance aside, the IQ between the 5DIII and 1DsIII should be very close. On the other hand, if high ISO shooting is a priority, the 5DIII wins hands down.

Unless you're making money as a sports photographer, I'd say 5 FPS is plenty for some mild action. I was at an autocross a few weeks ago with a 1DIIn, and at times it's 8 FPS was a bit much.

1D Mark III - For the price of a new 5D Mark III, I could buy TWO of these second hand, plus a nice quality prime.  Obviously it's a crop body, but with the right lenses I'm sure it wouldn't matter too much, would it?  How high would you say you can crank up the ISO before it becomes unusable?  I'm used to being limited to ISO800 on my 40D, and wouldn't mind having access to another stop.

While the 5DIII is a huge improvement in terms of build quality, reduced shutter lag, and ergonomics, it's still not a 1-series body. Even compared to my 7-year-old 1DII, the 5DIII isn't quite as snappy or responsive. The 5DIII is no slouch, but the AF acquisition and responsiveness of the 1DII is just blazing fast. I'd imagine that the 1DIII is at least as fast. The burst rate on both the 5DIII and 7D can slow down in difficult lighting or focus conditions, which can get very annoying.   

I'm a big fan of the APS-H sensor and was sad to see it go. I very much preferred the IQ of the APS-H sensor over any APS-C body, and you still get some extra reach compared to a FF body.

5D Mark II + 7D - This is another option that's being thrown around a lot these days.  5D for resolution and image quality, and the 7D for action.  I could buy both bodies brand new and still have change left over, compared with the price of the 5D Mark III.  Has anyone opted for this combination over the 5D Mark III?

I considered getting a 7D to supplement my 5DC several years ago, but as much as I wanted to like the 7D, I couldn't. I rented it for a few days, and overall, it's a great camera, but I just didn't like the look of its files. I loved everything about it except the IQ.

I shoot a wide range of subjects, from sports to landscapes to families and weddings.  Good weatherproofing is important to me (been caught in the rain too many times) - video is not.  It's quite possible that the only camera that will suit my needs is the 5D Mark III (I can't afford the 1DX), but I'm interested to hear whether any of these others might be worthy options.


What are you currently shooting with? You can't go wrong with any of the options you presented. I suppose budget, and how your prioritize factors such as resolution, ISO, and handling will be the determining factors.

Lenses / Re: Tripod collar for 70-300L: Does it really exist?
« on: April 01, 2012, 02:50:40 PM »
I've been on the B&H waiting list for a year now for this little doohickey.

There's really no need to get the Canon one except if you want to have "Canon" printed on it. Apart from the still annoying fact that it's not included for a tele lens with this price tag, personally I don't need it because the lens is not that heavy and so short that there is little torsion when the tripod is attached to the body (unlike say the 70-200L2).

Another user had ordered this one and recommended it: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110733557235&ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:GB:1123

Thanks for the link! I admit I haven't looked on ebay for a while, but the last few times I checked I couldn't even find knock-off collars for sale. I'm gonna order this sucker up.

Nice shots. I still find it shocking to see great action shots being taken with a 5D!

Lenses / Tripod collar for 70-300L: Does it really exist?
« on: April 01, 2012, 01:36:50 PM »
I've been on the B&H waiting list for a year now for this little doohickey. Since then, I've taken delivery of a camera (5DIII) that was 8 months shy of being announced. Does anyone actually have a tripod collar for a 70-300L, or am I looking for a unicorn :)? It looks like Canon will start delivery of the 1Dx before they release a freakin' tripod collar.

EOS Bodies / Re: This web site is making me question why I lurk here
« on: March 31, 2012, 09:32:35 PM »
The lesson I learned: Photography, like everything else is about 10% technical skill and 90% people skills. If you can't empathize with people, put yourself into their shoes and have a real interest in them, it usually comes across in your pictures.

I suspect that even if your business is taking beautiful images of incredible cars, you're still dependent on your people skills.

Very true. I don't have the right personality for weddings, portrait, or fashion work, but even shooting cars requires some people skills. People often show up for shoots late, with broke down cars that don't run, and then want to take off early before the job is done. Dealing with difficult situations, and willing your way through a shoot, has nothing to do with photography skills, but if you can't handle the situation you'll likely produce poor images.

EOS Bodies / Re: My first real shoot with the 5DIII
« on: March 31, 2012, 09:25:27 PM »
I see a lot of chrome and reflections. No surprise EC was needed.
Good thing there are many metering modes to choose from and experiment with.

In the past it has taken me many, many months to get totally comfortable and familiar with new cameras, and that's with daily pro use. I'm not crazy about the endless things I'll have to master with the MK lll, starting with AF.

Nice car shots, great color.

I don't expect any light meter on earth to accurately meter shots with lots of chrome or with highly reflective objects. The weird thing is the camera seems to underexpose in far less challenging lighting conditions as well. There are several shots I took yesterday with lots of black, but the meter underexposed the by a full stop. For all I know, this might be completely normal and perhaps the 5DIII is more sensitive to highlights than I'm accustomed to.

As you suggested, there's always a learning curve with a new body and I'll have to adjust accordingly :) I'm going to let a friend of mine borrow it to get his impressions. Maybe I'm just going crazy.

I can think of two scenarios in which the difference in IQ between a 60D and 5DIII wouldn't be obvious:

1) You've refined you're technique so much, that you're able to get such outstanding results from a 60D that rivals that of a 5DIII.

2) You've never quite pushed the limits of the 60D, in which case better equipment won't do much for your image at all.

If #1 were the case, however, you should be able to apply that same technique set to the 5DIII, and get some truly stunning results. It's like I tell my wannabe wine buddies. If you can't tell the difference between a $5 bottle and a $50 bottle, by all means save your money and drink the $5 bottle.

EOS Bodies / Re: My first real shoot with the 5DIII
« on: March 31, 2012, 09:11:26 PM »
V8Beast, could it be that you have highlight tone priority, and/or auto lighting optimizer settings enabled? If so, try shooting with them disabled That might be the cause of your under exposure problem.

I have both highlight tone priority and auto lighting optimizer disabled. I have the camera set to record raws to the CF card, and jpegs the SD card, and both sets of images have the same problem :(

As for the under exposed flash images, I was thinking maybe the 550EXs are too old to properly interface with the 5DIII. That, however, wouldn't explain why the metering is off when I'm not using flash.

5D MK III Sample Images / Re: 5D MK III Images
« on: March 31, 2012, 08:38:39 PM »
Great shots! I'm finding the metering on my 5DIII to be quite inaccurate in evaluative mode. It routinely under-exposes by 1 to 1.5 stops. Has anyone else experience similar issues?

EOS Bodies / My first real shoot with the 5DIII
« on: March 31, 2012, 07:27:14 PM »
First the results:

Now some commentary. This car wasn't running right, so I didn't get to put the AF system through the ringer, but overall I like the camera. That said, I do have some concerns with, of all things, the light meter. I don't have a 5DII, so I can only compare it to my 5DC. I almost always keep the metering in evaluative mode. For some reason, I had to bump the exposure compensation up 1 to 1.5 stops all day long. Even in scenes that aren't contrasty by any means, the light meter seems to freak out whenever it seems any whites, grays, or silvers.

I don't expect miracles from a light meter, and as an old film fart, I still bracket. Even so, for my shooting needs, I find the metering on my 5DC is more accurate. The 5DIII seems overly sensitive to highlights as far as metering is concerned, which could be a good thing depending on what you shoot, but I'm not crazy about it thus far.

The same thing plays out when use a couple of 550EXs off camera for fill or accent lighting. In this arrangement, both the ambient and flash output is underexposed. I was cranking up on the flash exposure compensation 1 to 1.5 stops all day. Metering was inaccurate in both AF and manual focus modes. Me no likey :(

I'll have to play with the different metering modes more until I pass final judgement, but I'm less than thrilled with it so far. Hopefully it's just user error.

Has anyone experience similar issues?

EOS Bodies / Re: This web site is making me question why I lurk here
« on: March 30, 2012, 11:43:25 AM »
So if I'm reading things correctly, this thread has become a technique vs. gear debate? Here's my worthless take, from observing how the industry has changed with the advent of digital in the last 10 years.

1) The big tech head photographers - those that know everything there is to know about everything from DxOMark test standards to film emulsions - often produce very underwhelming work.

2) The artsy-fartsy "seat-of-the-pants" photographers - some who don't even know how many megapixels their camera has (that's not a joke!) - often produce the best work.

Nonetheless, the best photographers are the ones that are a combination of #1 and #2. Not only do they have the natural artistic qualities that can't be taught in a book or in a classroom, they also supplement those abilities with booksmarts which ultimately enhances their work. These chaps have managed to strike the ideal balance between the technical and artistic elements that are required to produce outstanding photography. That means you have to always work to improve your technique, but you also have to stay on top of the latest and greatest technology, as technology offers new venues and opportunities through which to push the limits of creativity.

I've witnessed many photographers that were the class of the field during the film era that flat out got left behind after the digital revolution. They refused to embrace digital for as long as they could, and once they did, they were WAY behind the curve. Competitors had already refined their post processing skills, and learned to refine their technique in the field to best utilize the flexibility of digital. Maybe the purists thought the digital guys were silly tech heads, but ultimately, many purists got left in the dust.

There will always be those that produce underwhelming images with overwhelming equipment, and those that produce overwhelming images with underwhelming equipment. It's all about finding a balancing act between both extremes. IMHO, it's the photographers that continually hone their technique as new technology opens new creative possibilities for them that will rise to the top.

EOS Bodies / Re: I think I got a sharp one
« on: March 30, 2012, 11:08:18 AM »

LOL your mirror could use a good cleaning, but the pictures seem very good indeed.


I keep my mirrors dirty on purpose. Otherwise I get distracted by how handsome I am every time I switch lenses :D

Lighting / Re: If you have a 5DIII and the Phottix Odins....
« on: March 30, 2012, 11:03:18 AM »
not only that but 580ex2 will fire at 1/8000 sec with HSS turned off at full power
using the odin thats massive being able to fire 580's at full power at high shutter speeds increases the
usage by orders of magnitudes.

That's crazy. I don't even know how that's possible, as I didn't know it was possible to use HSS at full power, but I'm not complaining. I'm definitely going to pick up some Odins.

Thanks for the great feedback my mate from down under :)

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 5D III RAW @12800 w/ NR in LR4
« on: March 29, 2012, 11:56:49 PM »
People love my bird shots...and most of them see mere PRINTS, which probably have about 6 stops of DR at most!

Who cares about prints? It's all about blowing your images up to 100%, and popping wood over all the detail you can see :o

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