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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Mother of God - D800 scores 95 DxOMark
« on: March 23, 2012, 09:42:22 PM »
. . . .Again, I applaud Nikon for developing a camera that scores so well on a silly lab test, but I don't need a silly lab test to distinguish a great image from a junk image.. . .

It's only "silly" if you use the tests to show what a great photographer you will be. . . .

Sadly, this is precisely what a lot of people do.

but it is not silly if you want to learn something about the actual sensor that is responsible for why your camera happens to be great . . pixel peeping notwithstanding.

I can live with that. However, what we're witnessing is Canon shooters saddened by how well the D800 performs in lab tests, not how much better the D800 actually performs in real-world shooting situations. If you don't pixel peep, it's hard to tell the difference between the 5DIII and D800. Even when you do pixel peep, people reach different conclusions based on their biases. If this is someone's idea of enjoying photography, I find it quite pathetic.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Mother of God - D800 scores 95 DxOMark
« on: March 23, 2012, 08:11:20 PM »
I congratulate Nikon on producing a stellar camera in the D800. Now can someone please post sample images taken with both a D800 and a 5DIII, where the D800 made them a better photographer? I have a feeling that I'll be waiting for a long time.

The DxO tests are amusing, but I don't see what's so fun about fixating on such silly lab tests instead of using a camera for its intended purpose: creating art! I'd venture to say that most pro photographers - those creating beautiful images with their gear - have never even heard of this DxOMark nonsense. IMHO, trying to objectively quantify the value of a subjective medium (photography) is preposterous.

I think Megan Fox is one hot momma, and I can fantasize all day about inappropriate things I'd like to do with her, but I can't tell you why I think she's hot. She's just hot, and it's as simple as that. Maybe someone can develop a biometric facial scanning device that attempts to objectively quantify which women are hot, and which aren't. The tech geeks will have a field day with that one, and remain virgins at the same time ;D

The same goes for image quality. Again, I applaud Nikon for developing a camera that scores so well on a silly lab test, but I don't need a silly lab test to distinguish a great image from a junk image. I find it sad that instead of people posting sample images of the D800 and saying "wow, that looks great" they can't get over some lab tests.

EOS Bodies / Re: 5DIII pre-order thread
« on: March 23, 2012, 04:36:40 PM »
B&H just shipped my order out (body only) yesterday evening. Looks like I made the first batch :) The strange thing is that B&H always sends me an e-mail once an order ships, but they didn't this time around. That said, my camera will be here next week so I can't complain.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D Mark 3 Queue @ B&H
« on: March 23, 2012, 04:29:48 PM »
Nevermind. Mine just shipped out yesterday evening! B&H usually e-mails me a shipping confirmation on all my orders, but not this time. Weird.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D Mark 3 Queue @ B&H
« on: March 23, 2012, 04:26:35 PM »
B&H order number ...536XX just changed from "sent to warehouse" to an ACTUAL UPS TRACKING NUMBER within the last hour.

I pre-ordered a 5D3 body only--no kit.  Confirmation email March 2 @ 1:21 AM.  From previous conversations with a B&H customer service rep, I know I was somewhere between #540 and #550 on the wait list.

Hang tight fellas (& ladies)!  They're definitely moving out the door!  :-)


That's weird. My order # is 526xx and I've received no updates yet!

The more real world samples I see from the 5DIII, as opposed to stupid lab tests, the more I like this camera. Hopefully mine will show up soon so I can take some real world pics as well!

Kudos to Nikon. Since the D800 beats the Phase One IQ180 according to this test, I suppose all the medium format guys will be switching to Nikon :)

Or better yet, maybe it will poke the MF people to find ways to produce some more entry level backs or something.  There are so many wonderful (and affordable) MF cameras floating around the used market, but the backs tend to be disproportionately expensive.. it would be nice if the D800 forced them to reevaluate their lineup and produce backs to take advantage of that rather untapped market....

I completely agree. That's why I love competition, even if it comes in the form of a Nikon body.

OK, what follows is somewhat irrelevant, but I'll make the analogy anyway. In the hot rodding world, there are tech heads, and racers. Tech heads get hung up on an engine's specs. Racers just want to get to the finish line first, specs be damned. 

As far as specs are concerned, the motor in my race car is a dinosaur. It doesn't have dual overhead camshafts, multi-valve cylinder heads, gasoline direct injection, variable valve timing, or a turbocharger. It only turns 7,000 rpm, has just two valves per cylinder, and it still relies on a carburetor. Even so, it still makes 796 horsepower. I'm still waiting for one of these high-tech, DOHC, turbocharged, direct injection, variable valve-timing motors to beat my old dinosaur at the track :) Consider this a long-winded way of saying that specs aren't everything.

V8 did you have a look at those raws I posted?

Yes I did. They looked great, and I can't wait until my 5DIII finally shows up. WTF, B&H, where's mine at :)?

I'll have to do some more shooting to compare the 5D3 and 5D2 better as those arent apples and apples
my gut feel is at ISO 100 there is going to be a negligable difference between the 2
but i was always very happy with the 5D2 low iso performance anyway.

I'm perfectly content with that :) I'm of the opinion that the 5DII was such a phenomenal performer at low ISO, it would have been silly to expect a substantial improvement from the 5DIII. Honestly, I never upgraded from my 5DC to the MKII because while the resolution increase and one stop improvement in ISO was nice, I didn't feel like it was a huge upgrade IQ wise, and Canon didn't address its biggest weakness (AF and FPS). With the 5DIII, I get all the benefits of the Mark II but with pro-grade AF, a fast burst rate, and pro-grade build quality. What's not to like :)?

I feel the package is greater than the sum of its parts everything together is very nicely balanced I have to say i really like the 6fps 4 was a bit light but didnt bother me and 10 i felt was over the top on the 1D unless shooting fast action which i never do.
so far its looking good but i really want to do some more detailed IQ comparisons

I think 6 FPS is a good number. I covered an autocross last weekend with my 1DIIn. Even with cars changing directions abruptly on the track, its 8.5 FPS are a bit excessive for this type of use. I ended up with a bunch of redundant frames that just got deleted. For an 8-year-old body, however, the 1DII's AF is freakishly good even with only 1 cross-type sensor. With results like that, I'm very eager to give the 5DIII's 61-point system a whirl.   

EOS Bodies / Re: AF might be way better, sensor barely at all
« on: March 23, 2012, 03:25:28 PM »
I strikes me that the 5DIII is the amalgam of the 5DII and the 1Ds3 and the 1DX just an upgrade to the 1D4. On this basis I feel the price is very reasonable in that they have turned a semi-pro product into a full pro product.

I suspect the spec peepers have wrongly judged the 5DIII in the same way they poo poo'd the 70-300L.

My thoughts exactly. There's nothing that the 1DsIII does better than the 5DIII, but the 5DIII is half the price, yet people are complaining. Strange. And don't even get me started on the 70-300L haters.

I wonder how the 5DIII would be received if it had a 40-45 mp sensor, same consumer grade AF, same slow 4 FPS burst rate, and same consumer grade build quality? I very much prefer the all-around capability of the 5DIII as it's currently spec'd. 

Frankly, I couldn't give a toss about what DxO has to say about either the D800 or the 5D Mk III: my eyes tell me what I need to know, and everything I've seen so far suggests that while each will have its strengths, neither will be significantly better than the other at the image level.

And nothing else matters.

This point is key! Great images aren't judged by the technical specs of the cameras used to capture them. It's just some dude looking at it and saying, "dayum, that's one bad@ss shot." Personally, based on what little we've seen so far, I prefer "the look" of the 5D3's files over the D800 for no other reason than they just look better to me. Depending on a person's bias, maybe that perception changes at the pixel-peeping level, but no one other than tech heads uses pixel peeping as a means of judging the artistic value of an image.

Kudos to Nikon. Since the D800 beats the Phase One IQ180 according to this test, I suppose all the medium format guys will be switching to Nikon :)

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D Mark 3 Queue @ B&H
« on: March 23, 2012, 12:11:19 PM »
Any idea on the status of body only 5DIII inventory at B&H?

EOS Bodies / Re: Dpreview first impressions of the D800
« on: March 23, 2012, 12:37:19 AM »
I know I'm supposed to wet my pants when I blow them up to 100 percent, but those sample images just aren't doing it for me. Compared to the 5DIII samples, the D800's images looks flatter and far less punchy, for lack of a proper technical term :)

EOS Bodies / Re: AF might be way better, sensor barely at all
« on: March 23, 2012, 12:21:37 AM »
have you actually used it or just looking at internet waffle?
This camera is awesome period.
I feel like a veil has been lifted going from the 5D2 to this
I was never unhappy with the IQ from the mk2

The funny thing is that while the tech heads and pixel peepers are going poo poo over the spec sheets and 100% crops, I find myself blown away by the overall IQ of the 5DIII's files. For lack of a better phrase, I find the image quality f***ing stunning. The color, contrast, and sharpness have that film-like quality the 5-series bodies are known for, and now the MKIII matches that up with pro-grade AF and build quality, 6 FPS, and dual card slots. I will put every single one of those features to good use on every single shoot. However, I will never hear back from a client complaining about how they weren't impressed by what they saw when they pixel-peeped my images at 100%.

I understand that judging a camera merely by the "wow factor" of its  images is far too subjective for tech heads, but that's fine by me because photography is a subjective medium. I also concede that the D800 seems to top the 5DIII in many technical benchmarks at a lower price, but that's OK too, because its advantages aren't enough to make me a better photographer.

IMHO, the 5DII was a smashing success not because of how well it performed in a lab, but rather due to the stunning quality of its images. The 5DII's files had a certain "look" that was immensely appealing to pros and hobbyists alike, and based on early user feedback, the 5DIII will continue that tradition. If this is what Canon can accomplish with a $h!tty sensor, I'm not complaining :)

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