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EOS Bodies / Re: How does Canon respond to the D800?
« on: February 21, 2012, 02:42:22 PM »
Well since I'll be getting one in the first batch I'll do some direct side by side comparisons with my 1Ds Mklll and can post them here if you're interested, but of course the glass will be a variable too, not just the sensor. Anyhow I need to do it to for myself to know what I'm dealing with, so happy to share.

Hopefully I'll be getting one of the first batches of the D800 as well. I'll also be doing my own comparisons as I'm particularly interested how the noise and dynamic range of the D800 will stack up to the 1DsIII. That said, I wouldn't bother posting comparisons on here if the D800's images are superior in any way, shape, or form. Facts have a way of really upsetting the fanboys. 

Site Information / Re: Should karma remain on the forum?
« on: February 21, 2012, 02:27:59 PM »
The recent introduction of Nikon's D800 seems to have whipped a certain subset of CR members into a particularly high dither. Anyone who even suggests that they might be considering this camera is tarred and feathered Internet style. "Stop whining. Leave! Who cares what you think, traitor?"  Most people on this forum probably have a significant financial commitment to a particular camera maker's line of products,  but how can anyone be so personally threatened by someone else's musings about a choice of consumer product?

Well said. On one hand, I'm surprised your post has resulted in 2 smites, but on the other hand, this kind of comedy is what I expect from canonfanboys.com, I mean canonrumors.com.


It's basically Pocket Wizard's way of saying "We got caught with our d***s in our hands, and need a sleeker, more affordable model to compete with the cheap ebay models, even if the feature set isn't that much improved over our prior units. " At least that's my take on it. Gotta love competition. 

Site Information / Re: Should karma remain on the forum?
« on: February 20, 2012, 03:37:40 PM »
Along the lines of what we're talking about, I noticed macfly has a very high proportion of negative karma. Despite the fact that he's one of the most talented and experienced photogs on the board, I presume the fanboys don't like when he merely states his opinion that Nikon now offers a better tool for his shooting needs. Let's see, someone who makes a living with his images, relies heavily on his equipment on a daily basis, and is more well-versed on the practical applications and limitations of DSLR technology in real-world shooting situations is suddenly a villain, just because he acknowledges that the best tool for his livelihood now comes from a manufacturer other than Canon? There's a big difference between posting your watermarked images on your flickr page for fun, and relying on your images to compete with other very talented pros on the cut-throat world of photography. Some people don't have the luxury of being fanboys.

IMHO, that pretty much sums up the usefulness of the karma function, but if nothing, it is good comedy to see the fanboys smiting anyone that doesn't lick Canon's balls.     

Site Information / Re: Should karma remain on the forum?
« on: February 20, 2012, 03:11:42 PM »
Keep it.  The only people who get bad karma are those who doubt Canon's superiority in every field.  I've even seen some people suggest that Canon could do some things better.   Recently, there was even somebody complaining about noise on a 7D!!  We need a way to identify such fifth columnists!

Great point! Since the D800 was announced on 2/8, and I've expressed positive remarks about Nikon's latest effort, my negative karma has gone from 5 to 15. I could be wrong, but I don't ever recall being uncivilized in any way. I actually find it comical that people take someone else's admiration of a non-Canon camera so personally that they can't resist hitting the smite button.

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III/X Variation & New Flagship Speedlite? [CR1]
« on: February 18, 2012, 06:12:35 PM »
But i think you misinterpret some people who are advised they may get a 1D4 or 1DX AF system. If they're told it enough times they'll get to believe it and get disappointed if it doesn't happen.

Very true. DSLR's are ultimately expensive electronic gizmos that naturally appeal to tech geeks. That's why specs are more important to some people than how a camera actually performs in the field.

A pro tog reminded me that i should learn to manually focus  like in film days properly before relying on AF points. I pondered on that statement for a bit, then remembered why i was good at focusing manually in film days.

This is a whole 'nother can of worms. I'm actually dumbfounded that people start shooting without learning something as basic as manually focusing, but with as dummy-proof as today's cameras are, it's not surprising.  On that note, I recommended people learn to shoot color slides before even buying  a DSLR for the sole purpose of learning how to properly expose on image.

I get a good laugh from beginners with Rebels that brag about "how they only shoot RAW," ostracize anyone that shoots jpeg, then post images of how they were able to salvage a badly exposed shot of their cat thanks to the extra latitude of the RAW format. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with shooting RAW, but how about learning how to expose properly so you don't have to waste time in post production?

There's been talk lately criticizing Canon's metering system. Yes, better metering systems are welcome, but have these people ever heard of bracketing? It was a pretty standard technique back in the film days, but unlike the film days when it required wasting money on film and lab fees, taking additional exposures, s is now free. Plus, these days you can bracket in 1/2 and 1/3 stop increments to nail the exposure more accurately than ever before. So other than being lazy, what's the excuse for not doing something so basic and getting the shot right in camera?   

EOS Bodies / Re: Announcement Soon [CR3]
« on: February 18, 2012, 03:53:50 PM »
Very valid point and would be forced to agree with you.  I am a mere hobbyist at best so my photography is a money pit.

It certainly wasn't meant to be a criticism in any way. There's just no way I'd put up with the hassle and cost of switching systems unless I was chasing some money at the end of a tunnel. If you're shooting for fun, how much does Brand X's marginal advantage in tech specs really affect how much you enjoy your shooting experience? 

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III/X Variation & New Flagship Speedlite? [CR1]
« on: February 18, 2012, 02:22:03 PM »
There was a clamour for the 7D AF and now the 1D4 AF is on the horizon everyone is after the 1DX AF - no pleasing people ::) ::)

Amazing how Nikon has upped the bar, isn't it  :) ? Prior to the D800 announcement, some fan boys were in outright denial of its specs, and many said they'd be content with a 9-point AF system in the 5DIII, as long as they were all cross-type points.  Now they expect a 1Dx or 1D4 AF system.

What happened to all the "My skills are so pimp that I just manually focus, so I don't care about AF specs" and the "Just focus and recompose" people?

EOS Bodies / Re: Announcement Soon [CR3]
« on: February 18, 2012, 01:54:20 PM »
've been trying to add up how many people on this site are jumping to Nikon "if the 5DMIII/X..."

I doubt many people that say they're switching to Nikon will actually do it. Expanding upon that, I'd say less than 50 percent of the people on here that are contributing to the 5DIII hoopla will actually buy one for various reasons. Maybe the product won't be what they're expecting. Maybe it will exceed their expectations, but when push comes to shove, they'll find a better way to spend $3,000. That's why it's called "hype," after all :)

I've got a D800 on pre-order, but if Canon counters with a competitive 5DIII, I'll cancel it and stick with Canon. However, if I didn't make a living with my images, and photography was just something I did for fun, it wouldn't be worth the hassle of switching systems.

EOS Bodies / Re: Announcement Soon [CR3]
« on: February 17, 2012, 09:21:34 PM »
I have a D800 on pre-order, so a February 28 announcement will give me plenty of time to cancel it if the 5DIII is up to snuff.

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III/X Information [CR1]
« on: February 14, 2012, 09:18:46 AM »
I've done my share of D800 humping lately, but a 22 mp 5DIII with a 61-point AF system and 6.9 FPS would be one heck of a camera. Throw in one or two additional stops of DR and ISO over the 5DII, and this sucker will be irresistible. Do it, Canon :) My Canon glass gives me wood every time I use them, and I really don't want to switch systems.   

The interesting thing about a 22MP 5DIII is that once again the budget full frame is divided by two completely opposite camera models that essentially swapped places compared to the last generation. Nikon is now big MP game and a landscape/studio dream, canon is now fast fps game which should keep a lot of action/sports guys happy.

The funny part is that despite the role reversals, both the Canon and Nikon fan boys are still waving their Canon and Nikon flags. If you're a Nikon fan boy that loved the D700, and gladly sacrificed resolution for FPS and ISO, it would seem odd to embrace the D800, but they do anyways. If you're a Canon fan boy that went poo poo on speed in favor of resolution, it would seem odd to embrace a 22 mp 5DIII with vastly improved AF and FPS, but they will anyways.

EOS Bodies / Re: When will Canon Meet The Market Demand?
« on: February 12, 2012, 05:42:10 PM »
Now, if I'll allow myself to wear the conspiracy hat for a moment I'd venture a theory that this reversal of philosophies between Canon and Nikon is arranged between the companies. A roughly equal number of people switching sides means people buying new lenses and accessories more than they would had they stayed put. A win-win situation.

I think you're onto something. Maybe it's a three-way conspiracy with ebay in on the action, too. Imagine all the money in seller's fees they stand to make :D

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Development of 5Dmk2
« on: February 11, 2012, 12:45:14 AM »
Back when the 5D Classic came out, people were so pleasantly stunned that Canon crammed a full-frame sensor into a body roughly the same size as a 20D, at less than 1/2 the price of a 1DsII, that no one dared complain about the AF system. Back then, if you wanted a full-frame sensor you had to pay $8,000 for a pro body. People are pretty spoiled these days and come to expect cameras like the 5D/5DII and D700/D800, but Canon pretty much invented the affordable, light-weight, full-frame camera. Plus, the AF system wasn't that bad by 2005 standards.

On a side note, anyone that shot Nikon back then was an idiot :) That said, it's nice to see how much the competition has stepped it up since then.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: D800 - Sample Photos
« on: February 08, 2012, 09:52:12 PM »

where did all the Oh no current lenses cant resolve more than 20MP crowd go to?
looks to be resolving plenty fine to me. Nikon on are going to stuggle to keep up with demand on these for a year i think the waiting list is going to be Loooooong

When the 1DsII came out, people said: "16.7 MPs is too much, it's going to take up too much card space, the lenses can't keep up." Somehow the photographic world managed.

When the 1DsIII came out, people said: "21.1 MPs is too much, it's going to take up too much card space, the lenses can't keep up." Somehow the photographic world managed.

I have a hunch that history will repeat itself with the D800.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: D800 - Sample Photos
« on: February 08, 2012, 09:24:32 PM »
Pixel count aside, the dynamic range in these files, particularly the library shots, is stunning. The books in shadow are clearly visible, yet the light coming through the ceiling doesn't blow out the highlights.

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