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EOS Bodies / Re: I touched it, and it was awesome!!!
« on: March 14, 2012, 04:44:30 PM »
Your title reminds me of what my wife said to her friends after our first date  :D

Now this is the way to thread jack! LMAO! +1 for creativity  :P

I didn't mean to thread jack. There's just been so much tensions on here lately over the 5DIII/D800 debate that I wanted to try to lighten the mood  :)

EOS Bodies / Re: I touched it, and it was awesome!!!
« on: March 14, 2012, 03:38:36 PM »
Your title reminds me of what my wife said to her friends after our first date  :D

That's not what she told me.   ;)

What are you talking about? I thought we were there together?

EOS Bodies / Re: New 5d Mark 3 images
« on: March 14, 2012, 03:37:14 PM »
I know the DR on this camera is supposed to suck, but I find it quite impressive in these samples :)

EOS Bodies / Re: I touched it, and it was awesome!!!
« on: March 14, 2012, 03:16:32 PM »
Your title reminds me of what my wife said to her friends after our first date  :D

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« on: March 14, 2012, 02:23:04 PM »
The 5D3 is much better at generating controversy within this community. Check out Nikon Rumors - there is nothing like this going on there. Why not?

Good question. I'd venture to say that it's because the Nikon product line was so bad just five years ago, that even if the D800 isn't the exact camera they wanted spec wise, they're thrilled to finally have an option that can compete with Canon. On the other had, since the digital revolution Canon has set the bar very high, and its users expect nothing less than greatness. It must be odd to see how much the competition has caught up, but personally, I love competition :)

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« on: March 14, 2012, 02:16:48 PM »
I much prefer the files too - they have a look that Nikon doesn't.

IMHO, this is the most subjective issue when judging IQ, but also the most important! When you present your images to a client or just a casual observer, they gauge its visual impact based on the overall "look" it conveys, a certain X-factor if you will, not some highly technical method used to calculate DR or noise.

I was reading some review of a crop Nikon body the other day (D7000?) about how its DR put Canon's full-frame bodies to shame in lab tests. This intrigued me, so I checked out some sample images. They weren't bad, but they looked flat and lifeless compared to what I'm accustomed to out of my antiquated 5DC. Sorry, but I'm not buying a camera based on what some lab tests say. I don't know if any tech specs exist that can gauge this sort of thing, but IMHO the film-like color, contrast, sharpness, and overall IQ of bodies like the 5DC, 5DII, and 1DsIII are why LOTS of working pros shoot Canon.

This isn't strictly a Canon vs. Nikon issue either. If lab tests are all that mattered, why would any Canon shooter opt for anything other than a 7D?  Doesn't it match the 5DII and 1DsIII in DR for a fraction of the cost? My hunch is that some people just prefer the look of the files produced by the costlier bodies.

The key point for me though is that Canon is a SYSTEM and not a BODY. People crush on bodies too much these days.

Werd. Let's say the D800 is as great as people are making it out to be, and the 5DIII is as bad as people suggest. Many people will just give credit where credit is due, concede that Nikon has won this round, and stick with Canon because it offers a better overall system.

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« on: March 13, 2012, 11:06:18 PM »
at that base level its all about the megapixels i am afraid.

Wait a second, I thought it was all about megapixels at the 5DIII/D800 level :D

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« on: March 13, 2012, 10:49:50 PM »
So the question is how Canon is going to attract new customers?

By offering a dizzying number of Rebel/60D/7D type bodies packed full of megapixels. Canon has been using this strategy to great effect. Most will never upgrade their gear beyond a kit lens, but the ones that do will probably stick with Canon indefinitely. Very few people are going to buy a $3,000-plus body as their first DSLR, so attracting new customers is all about winning people over at the entry-level price point.

You, my friend, are one bad arse mofo  ;D Incredible work!
Haha thanks :)

Just curious which body(ies) you shoot with right now?


4900 USD (without lens).

You get the new 24-70 mkII for only 3500 USD.

It's in Norway.

Wow, that's stiff. You must be laughing at all the people complaining about paying $3,500 USD for it.

Out of curiosity, are US retailers not allowed to ship to Norway? What prevents a US retailer from shipping the camera at $3,500 into Norway?

I did a quick range test and they fired just fine up to about 300-400' for me...I don't know if they work well beyond that as I ran out of room to go further. I've been using them in much shorter distances like 100-150' regularly and they've been 100% reliable there. Like any 2.4ghz trigger (canon 600ex rt included), you should get good consistent results for a couple hundred feet, but they can still be susceptible to wifi interference. I haven't had that problem yet since I'm out in the woods, but I know it's a potential problem. The 600exrt has a nice feature where you can compare signal strengths to choose a good one. That's pretty cool.

Thanks for the feedback. That's some very impressive range, and more than adequate for my needs. The Canon setup is nice, and I particularly like how you can use the STE3 and 600EX to remotely trigger the shutter, but I'm not sure I can justify the price premium over the Odins. I can pick up a 550EX, which has nearly as much power as a 600EX, for $200, throw on a $140 Odin receiver, and add an extra off-camera flash while retaining ETTL capability for $340. That's half the price one one 600EX.

It's hard to believe you shoot weddings.
P.S And you're welcome to check out my work any time:
Fashion & Beauty: http://www.phildrinkwater.co.uk/
Weddings: http://www.phildweddingphotography.co.uk/

You, my friend, are one bad arse mofo  ;D Incredible work!

EOS Bodies / Re: Are we suckers, or smart business people?
« on: March 13, 2012, 04:06:25 PM »
I've never claimed to be anything other than a sucker ;D For 5DII owners, I can see how this would be a difficult decision. Maybe I'm just cheap, but I've always been a proponent of buying bodies that are a 1-2 generations old, or upgrading every other generation.

I'm very eager for my 5DIII to arrive, but I haven't purchased a new body since my old 20D way back in 2005. Since then, I've had a 5DC, 1DIIn and a 1DsIII, which were all purchased second hand in great shape at a fraction of what they cost new. It's not like older bodies stop taking great images just because a newer body has been released. And if you buy used and sell used, you hardly lose any money.   

So if you aren't impressed with the 5DIII, don't buy it. I felt the same way about the 5DII when it came out, so decided to hang on to my 5DC and wait for the 5DIII before even thinking about upgrading.

EOS Bodies / Re: High ISO comparo: 5DIII vs. D800
« on: March 13, 2012, 03:58:53 PM »
Man, V8Beast, I absolutely love your photos. The sense of motion and the lighting are spectacular.

Thanks :) I'm just trying to keep up with those that are better than me.

On a different topic, one factor I neglected to mention about the image with the Mustang is that for car-to-car shots, the 5DIII's advantage in FPS over the D800 is huge. If you're a high-end commercial photographer that has the means to get a permit to shut down a public road, then you can get as many cracks at a shot like this as you want, as long as the light doesn't get too harsh. For editorial hacks like me, unfortunately that's not an option.

For one, this shot was taken on a public road while trying to circumvent traffic. Secondly, I'm sticking my head out of the moon roof of an SUV, which is quite hairy. If a cop sees you doing something like this, he's going to tell you to go home ASAP. Thirdly, the surface was very bumpy, making it very difficult to get the desired motion blur with a low shutter speed while maintaining acceptable images sharpness. These are all factors work against you, and lower your "hit rate." The ability to fire off as many frames in a given amount of time is always helpful in these situations. 

I tried to capture a shot at a very specific point on a bridge, but it didn't quite work out, and this is the best I could get. Oh well, maybe next time.

I'm having a hard time getting bookings with my current pricing...  :(

Cheap bastards. This industry is under assault, I tell ya.

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