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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D III high ISO samples
« on: March 02, 2012, 04:28:39 PM »
I just downloaded the high ISO images from DPR.  All the images were taken at 3EV, so they are real low light images.

On my screen, I could see the noise at ISO 102400, but the 8.5 X 11 prints were sharp and clean.  I then printed 3 more, 51200, 25,600, 12800, and they also suprised me.  I could show any of these prints to someone, and they would not suspect that they were high ISO unless they had a magnifier.

These were jpegs with no additional processing by me, I would expect RAW to be better.

I certainly plan to use the ISO 25600 freely whenever I absolutely need it in low light for a fast shutter speed.

Canon has done some real work on the blacks, I can move the black slider in LR4 all the way to the right without seeing any banding.

No kidding. I think this is the test you're referring to:

http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/reviewsamples/albums/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii-low-light-iso-samples

I'm trying to be as unbiased as I can, but I had a very hard time picking up on any noticeable noise up to ISO 25,600. Only at 102,400 does it become objectionable. I'm starting to suspect that my eyes are bad or my monitor is broken :D  Like you said, the noise in the blacks is almost non-existent. It looks like the native ISO range is a legit representation of the MKIII's true low-light capabilities.

Kudos to Canon for creating a high-speed, low-light monster. I didn't think I'd ever say that about any 5D  :D


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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D III high ISO samples
« on: March 02, 2012, 04:14:31 PM »
Not to date myself too much who was raised/trained and shot professionally with film, The ISO 25600 shots are cleaner than the old 1600 ISO film...  the old film, at high ISO was A) very expensive, and B) almost unusable for anything bigger than a 4x6, and even that look like it was sneezed on.  Technology with every new camera never ceases to amaze me.

Werd. The 5DIII's ISO 1600 samples are FAR cleaner than 200 speed film. That kind of progress just boggles my mind. In fact, I'd say the ISO 1600 shots compare favorably to ISO 200-400 on my 5DC despite the fact that the MKIII has twice the resolution. I'm equally impressed with the dynamic range as well, especially in that image of the glaciers.

I was going to test the 5DIII side by side with the D800 once I got my hands on them, but with results this good, I might just cancel my D800 pre-order outright.

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EOS Bodies / 5DIII pre-order thread
« on: March 02, 2012, 01:31:57 AM »
With all the hoopla surrounding the 5DIII, who actually put their money where there mouths are and put in a pre-order? Me  :D

My order went in at 12:10 EST at B&H. Hopefully that was fast enough to get one of the first batches.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Introducing the Canon 5D Mark III
« on: March 02, 2012, 01:22:07 AM »
Nikon D800 native iso: 100-6400
Canon 5d3 native iso: 100-25600 ???

Is this right? Looking forward to the high iso samples to see any significant improvements.

That's a big selling point I think Canon just did, if those extra 2 stops of iso are usable!

According to this interview, Mr. Westfall says the MKIII is two stops better in ISO than the MKII. I'm  assuming that's for jpegs but it's still impressive nonetheless.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/talkingtech/story/2012-03-02/canon-5d-mark-III/53323596/1

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EOS Bodies / Re: It's official!
« on: March 02, 2012, 01:14:22 AM »
Just read and watched an interview saying that it would be available in North America by the end of March!  ;D

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/talkingtech/story/2012-03-02/canon-5d-mark-III/53323596/1

What's more interesting in that clip is when Mr. Westfall says the MKIII is two stops better in ISO than the MKII. I'm  assuming that's for jpegs but it's still impressive nonetheless.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Introducing the Canon 5D Mark III
« on: March 02, 2012, 12:31:34 AM »
Just put in my pre-order through B&H. Hopefully Canon will be able to deliver it by late March as advertised. I'm almost as excited about the 600EX-RT. I've been debating buying three sets of Radio Poppers, but having an OE solution from Canon is a huge plus, despite the shorter range.

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EOS Bodies / Re: It's official!
« on: March 02, 2012, 12:26:14 AM »
Is it already available for shipping/pre-order??  At the B&H website, it says it is backordered and you can add to cart, but with the 1dx is still says price is not determined and it isn't even available for preorder.

Not sure what the difference is between "backordered" and a pre-order at B&H, but I was able to add one to my cart, enter my payment info, and complete the checkout.

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EOS Bodies / Re: It's official!
« on: March 02, 2012, 12:23:49 AM »
I just ordered one up from B&H. Canon will supposedly start shipping them in late March, which far exceeding my expectations. I also have a D800 on pre-order, so I need to decide on whether to cancel it, or test it out side by side with the 5DIII. What a dilemma  :)

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: upgrade From 1dMk2 to ? 5dmk3 or 1DX
« on: March 01, 2012, 11:34:55 PM »
For wedding use, I couldn't justify spending twice as much for a 1Dx over the 5DIII. That said, either will be a HUGE upgrade in terms of image quality. I love my 1DMKII for it's responsiveness, build quality, AF and speed, but its image quality is antiquated by today's standards. Even my 5DC kicks its butt in terms of noise, color, contrast, and overall IQ.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 5d Mark III vs Nikon D800!!!
« on: March 01, 2012, 02:03:55 PM »
It's a tough call. Strangely, the 5DIII looks like the successor to the D700, and the D800 looks like the successor to the 5DII. So, we have a slightly slower body in the D800 that's a resolution monster, and a slightly faster body in the 5DIII with lower resolution. IMHO, the wild card between the two is ISO and DR. With a 25,600 native ISO range, the 5DIII appears to have the edge on paper, but then again the 1DIV also had the same native range yet the H1 and H2 images were pretty much unusable. As always, no one will know for sure until sample images are available, especially when it comes to DR.

I have a D800 on pre-order, but am seriously thinking about putting in a pre-order for a 5DIII so I can compare both side by side before deciding which system to shoot with in the future.

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EOS Bodies / Re: If this is the best the D800 can do...
« on: March 01, 2012, 01:52:50 PM »
http://www.fotosidan.se/forum/showpost.php?p=1792662&postcount=1457

I don't understand the language, but I'm assuming D800 samples reduced to 1600px. If this is the best this camera can do at ISO 1600+, the 5D MkII has nothing to fear let alone the Mk III!

Looks good to me. Can't wait for UPS to deliver mine  :)
what is your first lens gonna be? the 14-24? do yourself a favour and get the little 50mm f1.4G too ;)

My first lens will be the 24-120, but I'm going to keep all my Canon glass and roll dual systems for a while. If I like the results from the D800, I'll follow that up with a 70-200 and a 16-35 or a 14-24, then sell off my Canon gear to complete the transition. If the D800 ends up being a complete POS, I'll order up a 5DIII and sell what few pieces of Nikon gear I will have acquired at that point.

Maybe it's wishful thinking, but with a native ISO range up to 25,600, I'm expected great improvements in low-light and DR from the 5DIII. Hell, maybe I'll pre-order it too and compare it side-by-side to the D800 for a couple of shoots, then decide which system to keep from there. I'd really like to test out a new body ASAP for some gigs I've got coming up. It's only money, right  :)?

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EOS Bodies / Re: If this is the best the D800 can do...
« on: February 29, 2012, 11:01:34 PM »
http://www.fotosidan.se/forum/showpost.php?p=1792662&postcount=1457

I don't understand the language, but I'm assuming D800 samples reduced to 1600px. If this is the best this camera can do at ISO 1600+, the 5D MkII has nothing to fear let alone the Mk III!

Looks good to me. Can't wait for UPS to deliver mine  :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: The (un)official I'm switching to Nikon thread
« on: February 29, 2012, 10:58:34 PM »
How about the (un)official "I've been following all the 5DIII rumors for years, pretending like I was going to buy one, but never really had the money to buy one, and just enjoyed talking trash online, so I'll stick with my Rebel," thread?


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Sports / Re: Cars cars cars (and some bikes)
« on: February 28, 2012, 07:20:56 PM »
Awesome work, Adrian! I'm getting hungry just looking at the food shots, and am quite envious that you got to shoot a McLaren.

Not all HDR,s have to look unreal , careful use of different exposures and layers as opposed to default HDR rendering can look goog.

I agree 100%. IMHO, layering in multiple exposures to extend the dynamic range of an image is a must in order to bridge the gap between what the camera sees and what the human eye sees. In other words, it should look so natural that people don't even know that it's HDR.

This isn't a particularly good image, but exposing for a dark car like this will often blow out the sky entirely. Furthermore, since the top of the quarter panels are white, they were blown out as well. Obviously, this isn't how my eye captured the image when looking through the viewfinder.



An easy fix was to layer in a second exposure that was properly exposed for the sky. An ND grad filter may have been used to enhance the effect, but I don't remember, as this shot was take five years ago.



This is far more representative of what the scene actually looked like. Technically, it's HDR, but it was done to make the image appear more natural, not like a cartoon. IMHO, overly processed HDR is a pathetic gimmick that's often used as a substitute for basic photographic skills, and it needs to go away  :) Some people can pull it off, but they are the exception to the rule.

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Sports / Re: Cars cars cars (and some bikes)
« on: February 28, 2012, 06:54:07 PM »
I hear you there man, Car phototography is a lot harder than people think, I dont do much of it and never have done it paid but it is very easy to tell the best from the rest. love your work.

Thanks for the kind words. I'm just trying to keep up with those that are better than me  :)

Like you said, there's a lot more involved with automotive photography than meets the eye, but that can be said for every form of photography. It's just a matter of learning the specifics of each discipline, and adapting accordingly. For instance, a good friend of mine used to shoot super high end product/catalog work for all the big Chicago ad agencies. After getting laid off, he decided to transition to automotive work. There were some fundamental mistakes in his early work, but after just a few gigs, he started producing some of the best damn work in the industry. Ultimately, an artist is an artist.

I'd like to think I can hang with him on the automotive stuff, but he absolutely whips my sorry butt when it comes to portraits and landscapes. Over the years, I've developed a deep respect for photographers that can excel in multiples fields within the photographic world. I'm in awe of those than can shoot fashion, sports, landscapes, and portraits at a very high caliber, not just one specific specialty.

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