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Having said that it is as you say a smaller alternative when money dictates the gear you can buy or if you need a smaller kit..although with this Zeiss lens weighing 1kg the weight benefit is a moot point,the D800 is not much lighter than the Leica S..
Very true, but with an SLR you have cameras capable of amazing autofocus - oh wait ;)  I think this lens will appeal to people heavily invested in SLR gear who may be willing to spend the money but aren't ready to make the FULL inve$$$tment in medium format.

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Here is a][url][/url] video interview with Dr Hubert Nasse discussing this lens..  http://wideopencamera.com/cameras/dr-hubert-nasse-explains-the-new-zeiss-55mm-f1-4-lens-design/

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They are super sharp stopped down and not too bad wide-open, but they could be sharper at the edges wide open and even at the center (especially the 1.2L isn't 100% sharp wide open). But more than that, they suffer from LoCA. The 85 1.8 has about as much LoCA as I have ever seen from a lens! Even under weak indoor lighting in a gym white uniforms become absolutely riddled with PF all over the place. They toss tons of purple in front and green haze behind all over stuff.

I, myself, do not mind on vignetting anymore (if it's fair below -2ev). First, I like em on potraits and secondmore they can be resolved in postprocessing... The LoCA on the 85 1.8 is visible, but those effects can be fixed within DXO/Lightroom, at most. Of course we want the perfect lense, especially if we're filming with it. I just think Canon has more open todos on a 50mm 1.2 L Lense, than on the 85mm range.

The Problem is, that everyone is pixelpeeping at the moment... and I think the Zeiss 55mm 1.4 is the answer to the question "what can be done"? It's like paying 20 grands more on the "S"-Modell of the Porsche Turbo. The last 15 horsepowers are expensive.

I can see a clear market for the lense... photographers with the medium format PhaseOne/Leica S2 have now a clear smaller alternative @the same IQ:   Nikon D800+Zeiss (or something coming up from Canon).

"I can see a clear market for the lense... photographers with the medium format PhaseOne/Leica S2 have now a clear smaller alternative @the same IQ:   Nikon D800+Zeiss (or something coming up from Canon)."

Lack of A.F and leaf shutters limits the audience,I have used quite a few Zeiss lenses and have the 15mm at the moment,but the Leica S 24 and HCD-28mm are better,and what happens when Medium format hits 120MP which it will at some stage..  and the huge bright viewfinder is another bonus...

Having said that it is as you say a smaller alternative when money dictates the gear you can buy or if you need a smaller kit..although with this Zeiss lens weighing 1kg the weight benefit is a moot point,the D800 is not much lighter than the Leica S..

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"I could buy a new 400mm f2.8 L IS II for the same price of this new 55mm lens...which puts this new lens into perspective! " 

Where can you buy a 400mm 2.8 L mk2 for 3000euros??

Yep, apologies, I got my numbers all wrong. I thought his was retailing at 8K...although I probably could pick up a S/H mkI for close to the retail or this lens. I couls certainly pick up a 135L 50L and 24IIL for the same price!

It's a lot of money but like high end audio you pay a lot for the extra 10% in performance ,the main attraction here is the superior performance at wide aperture's and control of aberrations,focus shift is barely evident and the same for LOCA,I ordered one today here http://www.dalephotographic.co.uk/mall/productpage.cfm/DalePhotographicOnline/_2010056/301525/Zeiss%20Otus%2055mm%20f1%2E4%20Apo%20Distagon%20Canon%20ZE%20Lens I just couldn't resist trying it out,I will ebay some unused gear to cover the cost,also I think that a speciality lens like this will hold its value well over time..

The is a 21mm version on the cards and also an 85mm according to this Zeiss rep Carl Zeiss 55mm f/1.4 Distagon, Sony NEX, and 135mm f/2.0 APO-Sonnar

My main system is a Leica S which offers amazing performance with A.F and Leaf shutters so for me this purchase is all about low light shooting..

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"I could buy a new 400mm f2.8 L IS II for the same price of this new 55mm lens...which puts this new lens into perspective! " 

Where can you buy a 400mm 2.8 L mk2 for 3000euros??

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The only review that I have read from anyone who has actually used the lens is from Lloyd Chambers. Yet everyone is an expert and has strong opinions about the lens without ever having shot one frame using the new lens. Minds made up. Verdict entered. How sad!

I'm sure that in time the usual lens rental companies will have the lens available for rent. Maybe take the lens for a test drive, after which you can decide if the lens is great based on your own review.

I doubt anyone will be disappointed with the I.Q unless they want a lens with a slightly softer look for portrait's,or If they just find the haptic's unfriendly.

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I'm Looking forward to the 35mm and 21mm versions,especially the 21mm which is a focal length I like a lot..

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But my main worry would be  - post processing.

So much can be done with even cheap pp programs to picture quality that I wonder after skillfull pp how much real word difference there would be when using moderate apertures.

From what's reported so far, the big advantage of Zeiss 55 will be corner sharpness wide open.  For those who need that, well price could be no object. 

It's mentioned that mere mortal lenses can be similarly sharp in the center wide open and when stopped down.  Early users are also reporting the Zeiss is perhaps too sharp for portraits, calling it "Portrait for perfect skin" lens, so for non-model adults I shoot, I would be stuck with less post-processing time with my L primes.

Hard to beat a 70-200L mk2 for portraits..

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http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/748876-REG/Hasselblad_3023052_Wide_Angle_HC_50mm_II_F_3_5.html   the superb HC50mm mk2 which also has autofocus and leaf shutters is only 650dollars more than the Zeiss at B&H.. No chance of me buying the Zeiss at that money..the Zeiss is obviously going to be a good low light lens and for dedicated Canon or Nikon shooters it might be worth the money but I would prefer to wait and see what Sigma and Canon do next before handing over 4k

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Very high quality lens,but imagine how expensive it would be if it had A.F and I.S..  for this money I prefer medium format which offers leaf shutters ,A.F and superior viewfinder.Another aspect of this that would put me off buying it is the weight,2.2lbs for a manual focus 55mm prime lens is a bit on the heavy side..

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Canon General / Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« on: September 24, 2013, 05:35:54 AM »
*yawn*

More evidence that Canon has ceased to be a leader when it comes to lenses.

If Canon were smart they would bring out this lens at the 24-70/2.8II price and drop the price of the non-IS v2 lens by $600 or so.

Then everyone that bought the non-IS version would sell their current lens and buy the new one.

Great way to get everyone to buy two lenses :->

Then again, they may not need to drop the non-IS v2 lens price by that much...

Sorry but I can't take this comment seriously,I use Leica,Nikon and Hasselblad as well as Canon so no fanboy here.. but Canon has a fantastic collection of glass. the MPE-65mm is completely unique,the best 24-70 and 70-200's on the market,amazing super teles the best TS lenses... the 8-15mm fisheye zoom is another unique lens... and we can be sure that more great glass is on the way... As for the 24-70is,well I don't need the i.s but wedding snappers and event guys will like it..

What part can't you take seriously?

Canon deciding to develop an IS version of the 24-70/2.8 after Tamron release theirs (to much acclaim)? Especially as there were many that wanted this combination due to its weight?

Or that by releasing the lens in this order, Canon will get many people to double-dip whereas if they had brought out the IS version first, people would have gone straight to that and never bought the non-IS version?

"What part can't you take seriously?"This part "More evidence that Canon has ceased to be a leader when it comes to lenses" ,Canon has an excellent portfolio of lenses unmatched by any other manufacturer,Saying that they cease to be a leader because they didn't add I.S to a lens is a bit harsh,not everyone is convinced that this focal length even needs i.s,admittedly I wouldn't mind if they did add it but not at the expense of I.Q,and the Tamron doesn't match the canon's I.Q

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Canon General / Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« on: September 24, 2013, 02:46:10 AM »
I don´t like the plastic body of the lens.   

Me neither, same thing with the 100L - but was Canon seriously thinking about releasing a metal body, or are they set on releasing plastic lenses from now on?

These plastic shells are very strong and will last as long as you will,Nikon has also started to use this technique ..
>sigh< This is the problem with the internet, every joker on the planet set them self up as a lens reviewer...and don't take the trouble to find out the facts before posting blurb and mis-information all over the place.
Canon are now using Aluminium and magnesium alloys in their lens casings. The 100mm IS Macro L is another example. This alloy doesn't feel cool to the touch as the cheaper and heavier casings, but are often percieved to be made from plastic. Where as in reality it's a higher grade product. The 24-70IIL is a fair bit lighter than the older mkI...but has a larger objective lens....so the glass is actually heavier in the mkII than the mkI.

">sigh< This is the problem with the internet, every joker on the planet set them self up as a lens reviewer.."

Exactly who are you referring to as a joker?? It seems that your the one talking Crap, taken from photo zone.de  http://www.photozone.de/canon_eos_ff/458-canon_100_28is_5d  "The build quality is excellent but then we've expected no less from a professional grade "L class" lens. The lens body is made of very high quality plastics and a metal mount. The broad rubberized focus ring works very smooth. Similar to the non-L macro lens it features a "true" inner focusing system so the lens does not extend when focusing towards closer focus distances. The Canon EF extension tubes are supported whereas the EF tele converters cannot be used."

and referring to the 24-70mk11 http://www.photozone.de/canon_eos_ff/773-canon2470f28mk2ff  "The build quality of this lens is exceptional thanks to a tightly assembled combination of metal and - mostly - high quality plastic parts. "

what is so great about a metal casing? BTW the 24-70 L original was one of the lenses most likely to go out of tune after time. it weighs more too. heats up more. And if you drop metal it sometimes bends in nasty ways, certain plastic designs might just crack a front plastic outer bit which might be replaced for a few bucks on your own (of course not all plastic lenses allow for that sort of easy fix)

Good point's,Polycarbonate has many positive's,another is weight.. If you don't carry it you won't shoot it,and the main reason I shoot the polycarbonate/magnesium Nikon 85mm 1.4G over the 85mm 1.2L when I'm on the road is the weight,it's 660gram's vs 1025 for the L,(the L is slightly faster which accounts for some of the extra weight but not all)

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Canon General / Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« on: September 23, 2013, 06:44:58 PM »
I don´t like the plastic body of the lens.   

Me neither, same thing with the 100L - but was Canon seriously thinking about releasing a metal body, or are they set on releasing plastic lenses from now on?

These plastic shells are very strong and will last as long as you will,Nikon has also started to use this technique ..
>sigh< This is the problem with the internet, every joker on the planet set them self up as a lens reviewer...and don't take the trouble to find out the facts before posting blurb and mis-information all over the place.
Canon are now using Aluminium and magnesium alloys in their lens casings. The 100mm IS Macro L is another example. This alloy doesn't feel cool to the touch as the cheaper and heavier casings, but are often percieved to be made from plastic. Where as in reality it's a higher grade product. The 24-70IIL is a fair bit lighter than the older mkI...but has a larger objective lens....so the glass is actually heavier in the mkII than the mkI.

">sigh< This is the problem with the internet, every joker on the planet set them self up as a lens reviewer.."

Exactly who are you referring to as a joker?? It seems that your the one talking Crap, taken from photo zone.de  http://www.photozone.de/canon_eos_ff/458-canon_100_28is_5d  "The build quality is excellent but then we've expected no less from a professional grade "L class" lens. The lens body is made of very high quality plastics and a metal mount. The broad rubberized focus ring works very smooth. Similar to the non-L macro lens it features a "true" inner focusing system so the lens does not extend when focusing towards closer focus distances. The Canon EF extension tubes are supported whereas the EF tele converters cannot be used."

and referring to the 24-70mk11 http://www.photozone.de/canon_eos_ff/773-canon2470f28mk2ff  "The build quality of this lens is exceptional thanks to a tightly assembled combination of metal and - mostly - high quality plastic parts. "

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Canon General / Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« on: September 23, 2013, 07:51:56 AM »
I don´t like the plastic body of the lens.   

Me neither, same thing with the 100L - but was Canon seriously thinking about releasing a metal body, or are they set on releasing plastic lenses from now on?

These plastic shells are very strong and will last as long as you will,Nikon has also started to use this technique ..

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Canon General / Re: Patent: EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« on: September 23, 2013, 06:04:54 AM »
*yawn*

More evidence that Canon has ceased to be a leader when it comes to lenses.

If Canon were smart they would bring out this lens at the 24-70/2.8II price and drop the price of the non-IS v2 lens by $600 or so.

Then everyone that bought the non-IS version would sell their current lens and buy the new one.

Great way to get everyone to buy two lenses :->

Then again, they may not need to drop the non-IS v2 lens price by that much...

Sorry but I can't take this comment seriously,I use Leica,Nikon and Hasselblad as well as Canon so no fanboy here.. but Canon has a fantastic collection of glass. the MPE-65mm is completely unique,the best 24-70 and 70-200's on the market,amazing super teles the best TS lenses... the 8-15mm fisheye zoom is another unique lens... and we can be sure that more great glass is on the way... As for the 24-70is,well I don't need the i.s but wedding snappers and event guys will like it..

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Lenses / Re: Recommend websites for lens reviews
« on: September 18, 2013, 04:06:42 AM »
http://diglloyd.com Is one of the best lens tester's on the web,it's a paywall site but the way the lenses are tested and compared is very good.. he deals with every aspect of the lens,focus shift and flare,field curvature etc..recommended

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