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These may be silly questions - but why are these things so huge, and so expensive?
Eye-fi uses a wifi device that fits on an SD card and does not require its own batteries... Granted, these here need to perform somewhat more work - but piping commands from the wifi through to the USB port does not require an entire computer!
I stumbled over these because I was thinking about how to wirelessly control my DSLR, and before I found these two I was thinking that it should be possible to construct a device like that which is so small it might almost fit into the USB port itself (OK, not quite... but certainly not as large as this!). Where is my mistake?
And given these two - why not directly tethering the camera through a smartphone and use that as the wireless server? An old phone (apple or android) comes for way less than 300$ AND lets you play doodle jump! ;)

How much demand is there, anyway? From the amount of money that the makers of CameraMator could collect it seems there is quite some... What would you use it for?

PS - I did not find that... But can the 6D be controlled wirelessly?
1. it is not "huge" ... its a little bigger than a credit card, of course it is a lot thicker than a credit card.
2. Eye-Fi memory cards just cannot do anything close to what a CamRanger or a CamerMator can do
3. The thickness of the device is due to the rechargeable battery inside.
Regarding you question about "What would you use it for?" do a google or youtube search and you will know why
If you get rid of the battery and the "large" computer you can basically size the thing just like an eye-fi (which uses a lot of space for the memory and the electrical contact), maybe a bit larger. But it is entirely possible that I am completely wrong, I am just asking...
I'm inclined to believe that currently it is not possible, coz both CamRanger & CameraMator relay information that is exactly the same as what the camera's Live View can do, plus some via WiFi, now that does require some serious computing power and battery power. Generally in camera technology, size does seem to matter e.g. big DSLR = better capabilities and features, small sized cameras = reduced capabilities and features. So putting so much of computing power in an SD sized device may not be viable, at least for now.

True, the image (and probably image compression) requires power. But for the rest I am not so sure - these are just a few numbers. There is, of course, a big difference with the eye-fi in that here everything is time-critical while the eye-fi only transfers files.
Pity... it would be nice to have the wifi option but from a device the size of a USB plug. I still believe that without real-time image transfer this should be (almost) in range. This would, of course, result in a somewhat different device since it would only allow for the control of a few parameters without actually checking the image. So it would be closer to an extended remote shutter release.


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Had a similar issue (also with a 5Diii) - for me, downloading directly into LR4 worked flawlessly, but the canon utility just crashed. An update of the Canon software did it - the one on the disk that came with the camera was outdated and had compatibility issues with mountain lion.
For the update I manually deleted all the old versions and installed the new ones. No idea if that is necessary, but it worked...

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These may be silly questions - but why are these things so huge, and so expensive?
Eye-fi uses a wifi device that fits on an SD card and does not require its own batteries... Granted, these here need to perform somewhat more work - but piping commands from the wifi through to the USB port does not require an entire computer!
I stumbled over these because I was thinking about how to wirelessly control my DSLR, and before I found these two I was thinking that it should be possible to construct a device like that which is so small it might almost fit into the USB port itself (OK, not quite... but certainly not as large as this!). Where is my mistake?
And given these two - why not directly tethering the camera through a smartphone and use that as the wireless server? An old phone (apple or android) comes for way less than 300$ AND lets you play doodle jump! ;)

How much demand is there, anyway? From the amount of money that the makers of CameraMator could collect it seems there is quite some... What would you use it for?

PS - I did not find that... But can the 6D be controlled wirelessly?
1. it is not "huge" ... its a little bigger than a credit card, of course it is a lot thicker than a credit card.
2. Eye-Fi memory cards just cannot do anything close to what a CamRanger or a CamerMator can do
3. The thickness of the device is due to the rechargeable battery inside.
Regarding you question about "What would you use it for?" do a google or youtube search and you will know why

First of all I think I might have expressed myself badly - I am not at all criticising or questioning these things! I find them really cool! After all, I found them because I was thinking about how to build something like that. My question "What would you use it for" was not "what the hell is such a thing good for" but rather "what specific use do you readers have in mind for this". I did see some uses online, and I can imagine some myself (studio being one, wild life another, maybe sports - setting up multiple cameras at multiple positions? - architecture to get weird angles, time laps apps, whatever).

For the rest: huge is relative - the device is considerably bigger than I thought it would have to be. And my question was if anybody knew why. Of course, the footprint is a credit card, but in all it is big because, as you say, it has a large battery. That is why I compared it with the eye-fi - I am aware that they are different devices, but what they have in common is that they need a wifi, and they have some kind of chip inside that takes care of this. The eye-fi cards obviously have a tiny one (I believe it is around 2x2 mm^2) that barely consumes any power. That is how they can fit it inside an SD card. The same thing could be used to remote control a camera, except that it might have to have a bit more computer power behind it to translate things into camera-language. But even that I am not sure of.
If you get rid of the battery and the "large" computer you can basically size the thing just like an eye-fi (which uses a lot of space for the memory and the electrical contact), maybe a bit larger. But it is entirely possible that I am completely wrong, I am just asking...

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These may be silly questions - but why are these things so huge, and so expensive?
Eye-fi uses a wifi device that fits on an SD card and does not require its own batteries... Granted, these here need to perform somewhat more work - but piping commands from the wifi through to the USB port does not require an entire computer!
I stumbled over these because I was thinking about how to wirelessly control my DSLR, and before I found these two I was thinking that it should be possible to construct a device like that which is so small it might almost fit into the USB port itself (OK, not quite... but certainly not as large as this!). Where is my mistake?
And given these two - why not directly tethering the camera through a smartphone and use that as the wireless server? An old phone (apple or android) comes for way less than 300$ AND lets you play doodle jump! ;)

How much demand is there, anyway? From the amount of money that the makers of CameraMator could collect it seems there is quite some... What would you use it for?

PS - I did not find that... But can the 6D be controlled wirelessly?

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EOS Bodies / Re: How to spend money
« on: March 28, 2013, 08:49:21 AM »

Ye but you give a pro a 300D and he will make incredible pictures with it. What I meant was the best camera is the one you have with you as in being comfortable carrying and using it. Getting the shot is more important IMO. everything is a compromise and just because you can afford to doesn't necessarily make it a good value purchase for you. But then again life is short so do it while you can on the flip side.

Many pros work in this way, unless you are a sports or wildlife shooter it is cheaper to rent for when you need. I understand that shooting with the white primes is better but comparing the zooms to point and shoots just isnt correct. Although the MKI 70-200mm IS is the least sharp of the 2.8 70-200mm zooms its still a quality piece of glass. But the 24-70 MKII and the 70-200 MKII have many a time been comparable or better than their prime equivalents.

Again same with the 1DX it is more than twice the price of the 5DMKIII but the 5DMKIII is 90% of the camera. 6fps is nothing to be sniffed at either, 14 is incredible but in most situations overkill. As a gear head and lover of new tech I completely understand the want but what about the need? IMO the 5DMKIII is the best all round camera ever made and it surprises me everyday. Again it is a lot more useable and easier to travel with than the beast 1DX.

As a pro weight is a huge concern, with having two bodies and lenses that cover a broad range lugging it around can juts be inconvenient. But that is my personal preference.

If the best is all you can have then go for it, but there are other options that will create a similar result but cost a weigh a lot less.


Yes, that is what I meant - I am fully aware that me with a 1DX would never shoot pictures as amazing as some pros do with much less sophisticated equipment. And it is certainly also true that not everything I could afford would make a value for me.

I guess my comparison with the iPhone was a bit silly - but I was trying to avoid the classic "VW vs. Ferrari"... But you get what I mean; when I first used the 300/2.8 (being the first time I was using one of the white primes) I really did feel that everything I had been using until then was cheap. But of course, "cheap" is at a very high level here. I started buying L-glass after having used a Tamron 28-300 (I think) on a 500D for a while and always being frustrated because the pictures never seemed focused. This is when I got the 24-70, and then also the 7D. While of course my qualities as a photographer did not change at all, it gave me way more pleasure looking at these pics than the one with the old combo. And then, when I mounted the 300/2.8 I had the impression that the difference in terms of sharpness and colors was again the same as with the first switch. That is basically what I meant when I mentioned the iPhone.

What you say about the 1DX and my lust for it is precisely it. I realize that the 5Diii delivers everything I need and then some, and the 10% extra from the 1DX would just be because it is cool. No, I don't need it. But then again, since I am not a pro I would not need any camera at all. I also still have a Canon F1 in a cabinet somewhere that I could use, and maybe the pictures would come out the same as with the 5Diii (even though I would have a hard time getting the pics developed, or taking any at ISO51k... ;) ). And for the same reason - pro vs. amateur - I can to some extent adjust what I take pictures of to the amount of gear that I want to lug around, rather than the other way around.

Anyway, these are just some of my thoughts/reasonings. I will get a 5Diii now and keep on renting the 300/2.8.
And maybe donate some to charity - after all, my wife also has all she needs :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: How to spend money
« on: March 27, 2013, 07:48:53 PM »
- 5D3
- Buy your wife something nice that she would actually like and enjoy (I'm sure you will get some payback out of it :P)
- then work on that 300 2.8 II

I think this is pretty much what I will do - rationally I knew that this is the thing to do, but I needed someone to tell me :)

Thanks everyone.
(luckily my wife and I are not yet at the point where we have to pay for each other ;) )

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EOS Bodies / Re: How to spend money
« on: March 27, 2013, 07:46:24 PM »
No your ok I have a pretty good job doing what I love ;)

I would agree with the above.

Travel is the only thing you can do that makes you richer. The camera you have with you is always the best camera.

In this case I would be against the 1Dx and the 300/400mm because they are both niche products and a pain in the ass to carry around. 5DMKIII and the 100-400 would make a better option but still a pain for traveling.

Really the usability of 300/400mm lenses are best suited for sports and birding/wildlife. If thats your main use then ye.

I think a good compromise is the 70-200mm F2.8 MKII With a 2x extender if you are traveling around. Thats what I use but the MKI non IS lens. IQ is not stellar but more than useable on my 5DMKIII

You would have a lot of money left over and still an incredible kit.

Apart from my Camera equipment my other passion is cars and BMW M cars are my poison otherwise I would have many more exotic lenses  :D



I guess more importantly the camera is always only as good as the person behind it... (and I am not a 1DX ;) )
But I actually found that the 300/2.8 is an incredible lens also for "macro" type photography (wild flowers, and bugs, mostly). Nevertheless, it certainly is not suitable as an always-on...  :D
I must say that since I have used the 300 I am always a bit disappointed when taking a picture with the 70-200 (IS, mark I). I guess I have tasted the honey and can not let go anymore... The funny thing is that when I first rented it my reasoning was simply to see what justifies that kind of price. I believed that it is sufficiently expensive (and expected a difference sufficiently small) to never really make me consider buying it... boy was I wrong!! Most people here probably know this, but I felt like the photos from the zoom lens were taken with an iPhone (well, not quite... but almost).

I can see how BMW M are poison (that tastes good)... In that respect I am happy since cars I would be passionate about (basically Mercedes from the early 70s and before, or electric sports cars...) are so totally out of range for me that I just stick with my 15 year old volvo :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: How to spend money
« on: March 27, 2013, 05:57:16 PM »
Carrying a massive camera, lens and tripod all the time takes its toll. Maybe a personal trainer ;) haha or hiring someone to carry your kit ;)

Are you looking for a job?  ;D

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EOS Bodies / Re: How to spend money
« on: March 27, 2013, 05:12:10 PM »
go medium format just need some more money for that but I believe you gonna love it
 phase one 645d

Thanks for the tip - I had actually bought a (2nd hand, of course) Mamiya RB67 at some point around 15 years ago, but never really had the time to learn how to properly use it... Not the camera for me (for the same reason I don't do much landscape photography. I am not all that patient ;) ) Beautiful device, though!

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EOS Bodies / Re: How to spend money
« on: March 27, 2013, 04:48:39 PM »
with the lenses that you have, its surprising you haven't gone full frame already. I suppose the real question is do YOU feel the 1Dx is overkill for an amateur? Obviously the best camera in the Canon range, so would you be able to make do with the 5D mk3 instead?..... there are a lot of people who would love to have this dilemma!!!!

I specifically did not buy any EF-S lenses because I knew I wanted to go FF some day. And because I realized that L-lenses are a better deal in the end. And of course now (with the fisheye and the 16-35) I am frustrated with the crop sensor.
And yes, I am fully aware that I am spoiled to have this dilemma... :)

@docsmith & emag: Of course my wife is a keeper... And she also knows that she needs to let me get a new toy occasionally ;) But I have already bought so many things that she absolutely needed that she figured it out by now. Now she only laughs at me when I mention a big lens...

@dstppy: yes, high-ISO on the 7D really is terrible (as has been mentioned often enough). I had AF problems when shooting BIF and kite-surfers on a lake with a forest behind them - I was quite surprised, but for some reason the system did not manage to follow. Granted, kite-surfers in air are so slow that you can pick a single AF point and follow by hand, but I wanted to test the camera and it failed (this was with a rented 300/2.8, btw). With the birds it was similar - when the focus was on the bird it was really on it, and the image was sharp. But with the fast motion the bird was lost all to often. I don't know if others have made similar experiences or if I did something wrong there, but it was quite frustrating.

In any case, thanks all for your answers. The underlying issue is, of course, that I am a sucker for tech-stuff. And the 1DX just fascinates me. Mostly the super-high ISO, the low-light focusing ability, and the high frame-rate. I am never really in a situation where I would absolutely need 12 fps, let alone 14 - after all, I don't sell the photos anyway, so if I miss THE moment it is never all that much of a problem. Usually my anticipation is enough to get a shot that I am somewhat happy with. For everything else I guess the 5Diii is on par with the 1DX (OK, I also don't need the better water-resistance and added ruggedness).
Another advantage of the 5Diii would of course be that I could then afford to keep the 7D and have both FF and crop. If I would get the 1DX I would probably sell the 7D. I have also been considering getting the 300/2.8, selling the 7D and buying a used 350D instead ;)





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EOS Bodies / Re: How to spend money
« on: March 27, 2013, 02:09:56 PM »
1DX would definitely be overkill unless you need it or you REALLLLLLLLLYYYY want it. I'd go with the 5DIII since you already have the 7D and a lovely set of lenses. The 300mm f/2.8 would be cool to have, but I'd probably hold off on that. I can't imagine the weight of your bag if you bring the 300 with the rest of your gear. I wouldn't be able to handle more than 2 bodies and 3-4 lenses, unless I had like a roller case. Maybe invest in a flash unit or two? You'll still have a handfull of money left over... enough for a vacation perhaps?

I want the 1DX really baldy. But the same way I wanted a Tesla Roadster. I think you hit the nail on the head by saying that it would be cool to have - that holds for both the lens and the 1DX. But the lens would certainly be used considerably less than the camera (to complete that - I have taken 35k images on my 7D in the last 3 years - on any 1D body I would probably never get anywhere close to even warming the release mechanism...).
I imagine that in 3-4 years the 1DX can still be sold for over 3k (similar to the 1DIV when the 1DX came on the market), while the 5DIII will be at 1k. If I look at it like that then I would have spent 2-3k in both cases.

The 300/2.8 is heavy, but I took it on a 10h hike in the Swiss alps last summer (albeit an easy one), and I survived. But I only took the extender, the 24-70, and the 300.
The old 400/2.8 would be too heavy, though - and I can barely hand-hold that one for more than a minute...

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EOS Bodies / Re: How to spend money
« on: March 27, 2013, 01:58:34 PM »
How about a 5DIII and a 300/2.8L IS II?   :)

I would have to wait for used 300/2.8 IS II's to pop up I am afraid... :)

But...

Assume I have up to 10k that are just sitting on the bank

5DIII: $2,949 (current 'price in cart', B&H)
300/2.8L IS II: $6,799 (B&H)

My rudimentary math puts the total at $9,748 (with free shipping), and I do believe that $9,748 < $10K.  So either my math is flawed, or you put forth a false assumption.  Just sayin'.   ;)

Well spotted :) I was wondering if someone would point that out. The key is the "up to", and that I am not in the US but in Switzerland where the 5d iii (plus BG) goes for around 3.2k, and the 300/2.8 for 7.5k. I guess I should just come to the US and get it there...


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EOS Bodies / Re: How to spend money
« on: March 27, 2013, 01:29:45 PM »
@Skirball that would be reasonable. I am all against that :)

I can tell.  Carry on, I'm sure you'll get a wealth of suggestions for which how to spend your money.

That is what I am looking for - I am interested in hearing arguments and priorities. Not for advice on where and how to invest my money...

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EOS Bodies / Re: How to spend money
« on: March 27, 2013, 01:26:12 PM »
How about a 5DIII and a 300/2.8L IS II?   :)

I would have to wait for used 300/2.8 IS II's to pop up I am afraid... :)

@Skirball that would be reasonable. I am all against that :)

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EOS Bodies / How to spend money
« on: March 27, 2013, 01:10:33 PM »
I know this question has been asked many times already, but I would like to hear a new answer :)

I currently have a 7D and some (mostly L-) glass (8-15, 16-35, 50 f/1.4, 100 f/2.8 macro, 24-70, 70-200f/2.8 IS, 2xIII). I am a hobbyist with enough money to spare to get these lenses 2nd hand (I was very happy to see that this in the end almost comes cheaper than getting lower-quality lenses AND gives you higher satisfaction... If you have enough money on the side :) ), and in some cases new.
I mostly take pics of moving things (sports, children, animals - BIF in particular), but also portraits and stills at times. I sell nothing, but I obviously like the highest possible quality.

So here is my question: Assume I have up to 10k that are just sitting on the bank and I want to invest into photo gear, what would you do with it?

Basically I have two problems:
I really want a 1DX. It is total overkill, and I would only use some of the features - I know that. But I really want the AF system (the 7D is somewhat limited for my use), I like the speed, the high ISO, FF, etc., etc.
And I had rented a 300 f/2.8 IS II a couple of times and was blown out of my pants by the IQ and focusing speed of this thing. I would never have expected a lens to be so good, and I finally understood why people are willing to pay that much for glass. And now I want one. :(

The solutions would be
1. get a 1DX and be happy with it. That leaves money to either buy a used 300 f/2.8 IS Mark I, or to rent the Mark II for several weeks.
2. get the lens and be happy with the 7D.
3. get a 5Diii, admit that there is absolutely no need for 12 fps, and add a 300 f/4.0
4. save some more money and get a 400 f/2.8 IS II
5. keep the gear I have and get my wife a diamond ring (that she would hate, actually)

I look forward to your opinions.


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