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EOS Bodies / Re: Has Canon entered the Graveyard Spiral?

« on: November 18, 2012, 06:23:08 PM »

That's pretty dumb. Nikon has a problem with the LCD, and also with the white balance. You photogs can correct WB when you're back at home, but for video I have to get it right on the spot, otherwise IQ suffers, and having both a "custom WB" issue (use a shot of a white card to define white, results may or may not be fine) and an LCD tint issue (so I can't dial in the proper K value by eye) just plain stinks.

I still the D800 is the better camera, and wouldn't buy a 5D3 if I can get a D800 for less $$$, but this is a real issue, and denying just takes weight out of the proper arguments (resolution, DR).

What I don't get is why you photogs care so much about this: you can shoot RAW and correct WB in post, no harm to IQ whatsoever!

I have done a lot of works with both Canon and Nikon800 the last half year, I have no problem with the  d800 default WB, can you specify what you mean

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EOS Bodies / Re: Has Canon entered the Graveyard Spiral?

« on: November 18, 2012, 06:19:44 PM »

no I do not, and as I say, you get used, now my Canons LCD looks to reddish, my answer was, if you not like the the yellow tint you can adjust WB so the LCD mirrors a warmer reproduction, or use another profile (if it is important to se the colors in the LCD more neutral ) and regarding d800 the yellow tint are not seen in every situation

Ah, I see.  It's not a problem, just get used to it and it looks normal.  Now, Canon has the problem.  Okay, fine.

who says Canon has a problem? If you are shooting with them both you can se different rendition in the LCD, this has nothing to do with the results

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EOS Bodies / Re: Has Canon entered the Graveyard Spiral?

« on: November 18, 2012, 05:52:09 PM »

no I say nothing about a  6000 dollars camera. I am talking about the jpg pre view colors in the LCD and d800. Nothing else.

But...do you acknowledge that it's a problem?  Reportedly the D4 has the same issue.  Do you still think changing the AWB parameters is a viable solution?

no I do not, and as I say, you get used, now my Canons LCD looks to reddish, my answer was, if you not like the the yellow tint you can adjust WB so the LCD mirrors a warmer reproduction (RAW), or use another profile (if it is important to se the colors in the LCD" more neutral" ) and regarding d800 the yellow tint are not seen in every situation

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EOS Bodies / Re: Has Canon entered the Graveyard Spiral?

« on: November 18, 2012, 05:50:32 PM »

Well, look at the glass lineup Canon has and look at others... Canon Rules on this side!

So i am wondering... is there a Nikon troll who sneak in this forum to start that subject? Or are we all so fans of Canon that we are somehow blind at this supposed declined?

well ask el bouv, are you a troll?

about blindness, it is a question you and others can ask your self  and only you have  the  answer

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EOS Bodies / Re: Has Canon entered the Graveyard Spiral?

« on: November 18, 2012, 05:33:24 PM »

no,  it is easier than that, if  some one thinks the LCD shows to green/yellow tint in the Nikon and  they are using raw they can adjust the AWB so the display shows a more red warm tone and from the jpg rendition in the LCD (has noting to do with the cameras result and raw files)

Are you serious? Are you really suggesting that the workaround to a $6,000 camera screen profiling issue is to adjust your WB and take every image at the incorrect WB and then fix every one in post? That is wrong on so many levels.....

First, a simple WB degree change almost certainly won't take a green hue out, and definitely not cleanly. Second, unless you are working in a constant light temp then you will have to work out how far out your screen is and constantly change your WB manually by that amount every image. Third, you could ignore AWB as a feature completely, but as the D4 is not designed as a studio camera and a good portion of the users are shooting to jpeg in changing lighting then all of them, because most will be using AWB as it is a robust feature and a huge time saver, are in trouble, think sports and event shooters (though wedding shooters will be shooting RAW I hope, though I know several that don't), PJ's etc etc.

I am not and have not suggested the Nikon D4 is not a good camera, but people on here get so focused on the myriad of "issues" with Canon gear they seem to forget that all manufacturers have similar problems, I was just pointing a few of them out.

green hue ?
what profiles are you using

Do you profile your cameras playback screen? If so how? If Nikon resort to a firmware "fix" to sort it out then I can be pretty sure you can't.......

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/03/27/nikon-d800-issues.aspx/
http://www.petapixel.com/2012/04/22/nikon-refutes-greenish-tint-issues-says-lcd-on-d4d800-is-more-accurate/
http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/nikon-to-issue-firmware-update-to-correct-green-screen-issue-1086098

NO , but the LCD jpg rendition mirrors the chosen profile and settings in the camera

No it doesn't, the playback screen will show you your chosen WB, sharpness, saturation etc in a rendered jpeg format, but if the screen is profiled incorrectly then the WB is kind of irrelevant. WB, like sharpness and saturation, is not a profile and you can't profile the playback screen, that is why Nikon have chosen to address the issue with a firmware upgrade/patch.

no I say nothing about a  6000 dollars camera. I am talking about the jpg pre view colors in the LCD and d800. Nothing else.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Has Canon entered the Graveyard Spiral?

« on: November 18, 2012, 05:31:00 PM »

green hue ?
what profiles are you using

Do you profile your cameras playback screen? If so how? If Nikon resort to a firmware "fix" to sort it out then I can be pretty sure you can't.......

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/03/27/nikon-d800-issues.aspx/
http://www.petapixel.com/2012/04/22/nikon-refutes-greenish-tint-issues-says-lcd-on-d4d800-is-more-accurate/
http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/nikon-to-issue-firmware-update-to-correct-green-screen-issue-1086098

NO , but the LCD jpg rendition mirrors the chosen profile and settings in the camera

If you look at D3s vs. D800 screen, there's visible degradation in color rendition in the latter. And it happens when you look at the same file.

Am I wrong?

no you are not wrong, but if you take a raw file from let us say d700 , or d3s and show them in d800, they are looking the same as in d700 or d3s. There are something with the jpg rendition in d800 and some motives=yellow green tint in the d800 LCD. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Has Canon entered the Graveyard Spiral?

« on: November 18, 2012, 08:41:23 AM »

green hue ?
what profiles are you using

Do you profile your cameras playback screen? If so how? If Nikon resort to a firmware "fix" to sort it out then I can be pretty sure you can't.......

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/03/27/nikon-d800-issues.aspx/
http://www.petapixel.com/2012/04/22/nikon-refutes-greenish-tint-issues-says-lcd-on-d4d800-is-more-accurate/
http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/nikon-to-issue-firmware-update-to-correct-green-screen-issue-1086098

NO , but the LCD jpg rendition mirrors the chosen profile and settings in the camera

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EOS Bodies / Re: Has Canon entered the Graveyard Spiral?

« on: November 18, 2012, 08:39:32 AM »

no,  it is easier than that, if  some one thinks the LCD shows to green/yellow tint in the Nikon and  they are using raw they can adjust the AWB so the display shows a more red warm tone and from the jpg rendition in the LCD (has noting to do with the cameras result and raw files)

But wouldn't you have to edit every picture in post since you artificially changed the AWB?

Wait now I see what Jukka was saying... and you are right.  It would be foolish to modify the WB setting to compensate for the screen.  What a real pain to deal with in post!

Get used to se the difference, I have and it is  nothing I think about after a while

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EOS Bodies / Re: Has Canon entered the Graveyard Spiral?

« on: November 18, 2012, 08:36:49 AM »

it is d800 who has a little more yellow tint in the LCD
If I compare my canon and nikon d800 there should be a middle way, the Canon LCD is little bit red/magenta and d800 little green /yellow

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EOS Bodies / Re: Has Canon entered the Graveyard Spiral?

« on: November 17, 2012, 10:30:38 AM »

no,  it is easier than that, if  some one thinks the LCD shows to green/yellow tint in the Nikon and  they are using raw they can adjust the AWB so the display shows a more red warm tone and from the jpg rendition in the LCD (has noting to do with the cameras result and raw files)

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EOS Bodies / Re: A Brief 2013 Canon Roadmap [CR1]

« on: November 16, 2012, 07:14:54 PM »

Wow, the quality of the 1Dx, and the IQ of a prime, really improves the image.  Both great compositions, although I personally like the first one the best, but even before the 100% crop you can tell the detail just isn't there with the high ISO on the 5DII.

wow
how can you draw such conclusions? two different photo sessions , different high lights reproduction,noise reduction, smearing ,  angels etc
I'm impressed

nähdä jotain on vaikeaa, hän sanoi istuu laukku

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EOS Bodies / Re: A Brief 2013 Canon Roadmap [CR1]

« on: November 16, 2012, 07:07:44 PM »

Admittedly I don't know much about Nikon, so good to know someone out there has a reasonably priced superzoon for FF.  Since you mention that you actually carried the 28-300L at an amusement park all day, what are your impressions of the lens (from a father's viewpoint)?  I'm curious because I'd use it for pretty much the same thing.  I'm guess it doesn't do so well indoors, but that's not what it's made for.

Quite useable, IMO.  Definitely need a Blackrapid strap or equivalent to carry it, though.  Across the range, the IQ is basically equivalent to the 24-105L - not stellar, but very good and fit for purpose. 

Depending on the body, it can do ok indoors, but really only on the wide end and you have to push up the ISO.  The first shot below, from a trip at the beginning of this past summer, is with the 28-300L on the 5DII (35mm, 1/80 s, f/3.5, ISO 6400).  The second, taken on another trip later this past summer, is with the 35L on the 1D X (1/160 s, f/2.5, ISO 6400). 

Actually, I didn't plan on this being a formal comparison, but given that it was the same location, same focal length, same approximate framing, and same subjects (although from a different camera angle and separated by about 3 months in time), it actually makes a pretty good real-world comparison between the two setups (5DII+28-300L vs. 1D X+35L).  The composite below are 100% crops from the two images (1D X+35L on the right).  I think there's a clear winner...

what was the purpose to show  this two different photo sessions?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Has Canon entered the Graveyard Spiral?

« on: November 16, 2012, 07:00:38 PM »

he now shoots Canon 

His gear list is all Nikon, save for the G12.

Yes that is true. He is begging borrowing Canon stuff as his D4 and D800 do not work properly/reliably. Nikon cannot fix these cameras.

as his D4 and D800 do not work properly/reliably?

in what way?


Here is a true story, on a long-term phenomenon and who many seems to have forgotten


Beijing Olympics.
One of the best sports photographers seek Canon service tent for the third time, the photographer does not get  as sharp images as his colleagues who use Nikon equipment. After visit the service tent 3 times  he got a straight answer, what do you expect, it's a Canon.
The photographer wanders off to Nikon and  borrow 2 x D3 house with lenses.

After the Olympics, there was a massive  switch to Nikon, which still persist in Europe,today many of the major newspapers, photo agencies use D3s D4.

So do not talk too loudly about an AF point who  is not working as it should in a semi pro camera and from the first series
As I understand it, the problem is solved

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Well the D4 and D800 both suffered lockups, the D800 and D800E both suffered AF sensor misalignment, the D4 and D800/E have a very peculiar screen hue, unless green is your favourite colour. The D600 has a dust issue on the sensor that is an engineering fault. The D4 and D800/E had/has a tethered Live View issue when in M mode. The D800 had various card write speed issues when released, and many Nikon bodies just won't support some popular cards (Kingston). The D800 has flash master triggering issues.

Then, of course, there were the exploding D800's, well a few of them went pop. The D800 has long exposure issues too, and what about the ViewNX2 to Lightroom issue where D800 users couldn't open their Nikon exported files in Lightroom?

Now if we get bored with body issues we could move to lens issues? Nikon has a ridiculous list of compatibility issues with its lenses, yes you might be able to physically mount a lens to a body, but that doesn't mean that body can actually take an image, when you look at Nikon's lens "solutions" it makes EF, EF-s and EF-m seem so logical. Then there are the various reports of bad sharpness at distance with the 200-400, a lens I am pretty sure Canon will get right, and I for one would far rather have something I can rely on tomorrow than something I can't rely on today. The Nikon tilt shifts are optically on a par with Canon's MkI models and are factory set with tilt and shift orientation, again just like Canon's MkI T/S lenses, but they are priced hundreds of dollars higher, indeed they are priced similar to Canon's MkII lenses. How about the current 70-200 f2.8 at $2,400 that is, in actuality, closer to a 70-135 at MFD? But we could list things like this forever.

The grass always seems greener on the other side of the hill..........

But, if AF is your raison d'êtres, then anybody who has used a D4 and a 1Dx together can be in no doubt that for the majority of situations the 1Dx is the better performing camera. Of course most of us have many more than one narrow criteria for choosing a system, be that lenses, crop factors, sensor performance etc etc, but, once you turn pro you can have as much dynamic range as God himself, if the image is not in focus you are not getting paid.

Canon did themselves immeasurable harm amongst pros with the 1D MkIII AF fiasco, they have remade a lot of friends with the 1Dx.

green hue ?
what profiles are you using

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EOS Bodies / Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]

« on: November 16, 2012, 07:55:41 AM »

Leica has a new CMOS sensor developed in Europe by CMOSIS.

Leica's profitability is good  (what I understand) , they sell everything they produce in terms of cameras, lenses and medical equipment

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EOS Bodies / Re: Has Canon entered the Graveyard Spiral?

« on: November 16, 2012, 07:43:00 AM »

he now shoots Canon 

His gear list is all Nikon, save for the G12.

Yes that is true. He is begging borrowing Canon stuff as his D4 and D800 do not work properly/reliably. Nikon cannot fix these cameras.

as his D4 and D800 do not work properly/reliably?

in what way?


Here is a true story, on a long-term phenomenon and who many seems to have forgotten


Beijing Olympics.
One of the best sports photographers seek Canon service tent for the third time, the photographer does not get  as sharp images as his colleagues who use Nikon equipment. After visit the service tent 3 times  he got a straight answer, what do you expect, it's a Canon.
The photographer wanders off to Nikon and  borrow 2 x D3 house with lenses.

After the Olympics, there was a massive  switch to Nikon, which still persist in Europe,today many of the major newspapers, photo agencies use D3s D4.

So do not talk too loudly about an AF point who  is not working as it should in a semi pro camera and from the first series
As I understand it, the problem is solved

Ei vittu järjestely voi hyvinkin yksinkertaistettu viestiä