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EOS Bodies / Re: Has Canon entered the Graveyard Spiral?
« on: November 14, 2012, 10:41:06 AM »
not at all, no, but their sensor division has fallen asleep since years back

Sorry, I wasn't aware that Canon sold sensors.  I thought they sold cameras.

there is a small detail inside the cameras called sensor, earlier it was something called film

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EOS Bodies / Re: Has Canon entered the Graveyard Spiral?
« on: November 14, 2012, 10:21:12 AM »
of course canon entered the graveyard long time ago..

The most revolutionary Canon product ever was 5D mark 2 back in 2007-2008. Canon died after that.

If that's true, Canon is market-dominating zombie.

not at all, no, but their sensor division has fallen asleep since years back

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EOS Bodies / Re: A Brief 2013 Canon Roadmap [CR1]
« on: November 13, 2012, 03:59:33 PM »
Hope technology = significant improvements in sensor architecture and design

been seeing a lot of that from competing brands like Sony and Nikon, wait Nikon's using Sony's sensor right? So I guess it's just Sony??
Nikon uses their own sensors as well as Sony sensors.   however, Glass is far more important than bodies, and the photographer is far more important than either.
I would not worry about a tiny difference in sensors.


Nikon, Zeiss, Leica, Canon , old Minolta, Pentax, Fuji ,  all have good lenses , I do not follow your argumentation, do you mean canon lenses are superior ?

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EOS Bodies / Re: A Brief 2013 Canon Roadmap [CR1]
« on: November 13, 2012, 10:14:11 AM »
Hope technology = significant improvements in sensor architecture and design

been seeing a lot of that from competing brands like Sony and Nikon, wait Nikon's using Sony's sensor right? So I guess it's just Sony??

Yes, as far as I know sensor technology is from Sony. Nikon is limited to provide electronics and software in addition to Sony's sensor. That must be fairly limiting on a development side (i.e. not to be able to design/control the entire setup), but Nikon is still able to provide something good in this situation, which is quite impressive.

For the Same sensor in Sony Cams and in Nikons... the Nikons seem to extract better DR and noise for the same analog sensor... Tells me Nikon's AD and amplification algo's are perhaps superior...

In some ways, Canon is like Intel... Nikon like AMD... AMD once beat Intel to the 1Ghz mark, caught it napping, because Intel was both arrogant and lazy... but then it came back with a Bang and AMD is still playing catch up after a decade... so there is precedent in the tech industry for catching up and reversing the lead. AMD is now slashing prices to make it's products interesting.... Nikon is already feeling the pressure and competatively pricing it's products trying to get back market share...

This year Nikon sensors have been good. Lets see what Canon brings to the table with the 180uM process...

Pentax are using the same 16Mp as Nikon  and K5 has a huge DR at base iso
Sony has "mirror less" cameras who are stealing lights and there can also be different CFA and micro lenses regardless if the "sensor" is the same.

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EOS Bodies / Re: A Brief 2013 Canon Roadmap [CR1]
« on: November 13, 2012, 09:32:04 AM »
Hope technology = significant improvements in sensor architecture and design

been seeing a lot of that from competing brands like Sony and Nikon, wait Nikon's using Sony's sensor right? So I guess it's just Sony??

Yes, as far as I know sensor technology is from Sony. Nikon is limited to provide electronics and software in addition to Sony's sensor. That must be fairly limiting on a development side (i.e. not to be able to design/control the entire setup), but Nikon is still able to provide something good in this situation, which is quite impressive.

Nikon works together with Renesas, Aptina and Sony, the Aptina sensor in Nikon  J1, V1  has a QE who match the Sonys best column ADC  sensors.

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EOS Bodies / Re: A Brief 2013 Canon Roadmap [CR1]
« on: November 13, 2012, 09:29:31 AM »
lol yeah new technology for canon, ancient for other brands..

Can you please enlighten us as to what might be ancient technology for you? Are you talking about medium format or Nikon's D800? If yes, what's your point? Canon has been told not to push the megapixels for years. Nikon has been told to do the exact opposite. Both vendors reacted to the demands of their customer base.


Canon pushed the APS to 18Mp  years ago, they can expose a 18x24  cmos surface in one piece to an reasonable price=APS APS H
No, they have not the  sensor tech and the know how to make a 24x36mm sensor with high resolution and with a modern lay out  and to a competing low price.

"Both vendors reacted to the demands of their customer base"

What you base this statement on? People are asking after higher resolution from Canon and  a 24x36mm sensor.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Has Canon entered the Graveyard Spiral?
« on: November 12, 2012, 02:32:53 PM »
Should they rather focus on the point and shoot consumer market and leave the high end stuff to professionals?

That would surely be one-way a ticket to the graveyard, since the competition from mobile phones is steadily eliminating the entire consumer P&S market.

....they are going to continue losing market share to Nikon in my opinion.

So, you're saying that Nikon is going to continue their trend of gaining market share from Canon.  A trend that has lasted for exactly the one most recent quarter of the last four years.  Okay-dokay, we'll see...

I wonder where you get your figures from, when it comes to sports photographers  there has been a shift to  Nikon since the first D3 was introduced  here in Europe and Canon had problems with theirs sub mirrors in 1dmk3. Nikons selling was increasing with 24% this year if I recall  it right

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Unlikely. It's not exactly a consumer product.  I asked my Zeiss rep about Christmas specials on confocal microscopes - he laughed.

you can ask for a Nikon or Leica confocal microscope, they maybe have christmas specials

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EOS Bodies / Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« on: November 10, 2012, 10:17:06 AM »
I love to have 225Mp , no AA-filter and chose the files size  out via pixel binning down to 14Mp

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EOS Bodies / Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« on: November 09, 2012, 04:58:22 PM »
It is quiet about more rumors, any one heard anything about a high resolution Canon camera?

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EOS Bodies / Re: [Poll] Canon Reign Supreme Again?
« on: November 06, 2012, 05:14:22 PM »
If you should have the double resolution then you need 72 Mp
I think there is a big difference in resolution , look at X and the text authentic beers

Look who cares about the labels below the name? Only pixel peepers care about those. Viewers only look at the image for like 2 seconds and move on. What matters is the actual composition and exposure, not silly things like resolution or detail.

It is all about resolution, noise, details, or we can close down this entire discussion regarding high iso etc!!!!!!!!

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EOS Bodies / Re: [Poll] Canon Reign Supreme Again?
« on: November 06, 2012, 05:02:25 PM »
what about a Canon 1DX vs Nikon D4 comparison??? If D800 is on pair with 1Dx  that means D4 is way ahead...

why? it is on par up to 12800iso then the other sensors in d4 , 1dx  with larger cells does a better job because of the low read out noise and  pixel surface area.  http://theory.uchicago.edu/~ejm/pix/20d/tests/noise/noise-p3.html

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EOS Bodies / Re: [Poll] Canon Reign Supreme Again?
« on: November 06, 2012, 11:00:58 AM »
If you should have the double resolution then you need 72 Mp
I think there is a big difference in resolution , look at X and the text authentic beers

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EOS Bodies / Re: [Poll] Canon Reign Supreme Again?
« on: November 06, 2012, 09:48:08 AM »
This is 1dx and d800 and the same exposure  1/1600 sec F-8    6400iso


There are a lot more resolution in d800 compared to 1dx  and 6400iso .
The main difference regarding S/N will be after 12800iso (Nikon iso)


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EOS Bodies / Re: [Poll] Canon Reign Supreme Again?
« on: November 06, 2012, 08:48:49 AM »
Details, noise 5dmk3 and D800. Nikons "6400 iso" = 1/1600sec f-8
Both cameras 5dmk3 and d800  with the same exposure= time and f-stop. RAW and latest camera raw.
Details  can be seen more clearly in the fabric, letters, face, etc. in the  d800 image.


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