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EOS Bodies / Re: POLL: Price of 5Ds
« on: Today at 12:36:47 AM »
It'll start at $4199, and in less than 6 months it'll be at $3499.

Trust me.

I would guess around that starting price but with a slower and lesser drop.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs
« on: January 30, 2015, 08:27:42 AM »
It could I spose be that ISO 6400 is the maximum "non boost" value, Canon do often differentiate between that and the actual maximum.

Honestly as a high resolution body though I think you could argue that the most important unknown would be whether it offers a native ISO 50 with superior noise/DR performance.

Price will likely be key as well given that the current 5D sells for about the same as the D810 you would expect it will be significantly higher. Honestly I think its tricky to tell just how price sensitive this market is, the really high cost double grip bodies like the D3x and 1Ds mk3 didn't do very well but you could argue that Canon do have lenses like the 17/24mm TS-E's, the 24-70mm F/2.8, the 85mm 1.2 , the MP-E 65mm and the new 11-24mm F/4 that target a high end resolution market and aren't cheap themselves


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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel 750D Spec List [CR1]
« on: January 24, 2015, 11:09:06 AM »
If Canon put out a Rebel with the 20 MP 70D/7D II sensor and the old 7D AF plus improve the handling adding a top plate LCD I think that will be more than adequate.

I actually think the key selling point people overlook for the Rebels is the lens lineup. Canon now has an optically excellent kit zoom that can use a polariser, it also has the 10-18mm at $300, the 55-250mm at $250 and the old 50mm 1.8 at $120.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel 750D Spec List [CR1]
« on: January 24, 2015, 02:28:27 AM »
Keep in mind that pure sensor performance of Nikon D3300 kills the performance of 7DII in some aspects. They need to step up. They need to cannibalise themselves in certain aspects, or somebody else will do that. I believe it´s time for better sensor than the one mounted in 7DII. It was the last cam with this low ISO pathetic performance, and it´s good, because sports shooters don´t need low ISO performance and most resolution as much as other things. I hope Canon will do what they have to do, and at that moment I go and buy their camera. Otherwise I buy nothing. Hope they see it.

What you could question I spose is whether Canon's weakness with DR is really as important with entry level bodies as it is higher up. Is someone who's really interested in landscape photography to the extent they post process extensively going to be buying an entry level DSLR?

I would say if anything is hurting Canon at the moment its probably more than the D5xxx lineup has for awhile had a much more advanced AF system. AF is of course also the advantage the camera will have over mirrorless rivals so maximising that is IMHO more important than improving the DR of the sensor.

Again as well I would remind people that the 1.6 crop of a Canon APSC camera would mean that the current 24 1.5 crop APSC sensors wouldn't have the same resolution. Honestly though my opinion is that this rumour is likely an invented wish list with little to back it up.

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Landscape / Re: Please share your snow/ Ice Photos with us in CR.
« on: January 23, 2015, 12:26:28 PM »



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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Discontinued
« on: January 21, 2015, 11:10:47 PM »
Wow! I guess the price just wasn't right for this one, esp since it wasn't weather-sealed and wasn't that much better optically vs the Canon version. I wonder how many are actually out there.

Never really understood why Sigma haven't sealed there latest lenses, with a general zoom like this its going to stand out as a clear negative in a lot of users eyes.

It does seem to be generally that these kinds of slightly extended mid range zooms are very tough for third parties to do well, I'm guessing because there areas the camera companies have invested a ton of money in as they get a lot of kit sales from them. Stuff like the Art primes is arguably the reverse as your talking more specialist lenses where the 3rd party markers can target different lens mounts.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel 750D Spec List [CR1]
« on: January 21, 2015, 11:03:51 PM »
Unless Canon is using that same 24mp that Nikon uses for their entry level cameras...Canon does not have a 24mp. They have two. 18mp and 20mp. One is dreadfully old, and the 20mp is not much better. DXOMARK has the ratings on those sensors.

As has been said this cannot be the case, the smaller Canon APSC sensor would result in a lower pixel count.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel 750D Spec List [CR1]
« on: January 21, 2015, 12:17:12 PM »
I think its certainly possible to have a camera of a similar kind of size to the current standard rebels and also offer improved handling and build though, maybe not to quite the degree of the 70D but still an improvement.

When it comes to mirrorless I think its notable that recently we've actually seen bodies starting to grow in size(T-X1, E-M1, GH3/4, NX1). With those cameras your really no longer talking about something significantly smaller/lighter than a rebel, what your talking about is a camera with superior handling/build, that's a market that an upgraded Rebel sized body could also aimed for.

I agree with you. The rebel (almost) has intentionally crippled buttons/controls and those could be easily improved. And small size/package is great. For me it depends what I'm shooting. For casual stuff I enjoy tossing the M + 22mm in my jacket/coat pocket. I still use a rebel with the new 24mm pancake as a "carry everywhere" camera. However, for real shooting, I just personally feel the larger cameras feel/work better in my hands. As they say, YMMV as I have rather large hands.

Valid points on the mirrorless as well. My buddy likes to remind me occasionally that his X-T1 is really no smaller then a rebel. I don't have the specs in front of me, but with so much metal construction I think it's even heavier (or it just feels that way to me). A relatively small advantage many mirrorless cameras have though, even if they are a similar size overall body, the lens mount area of the camera can be much thinner, therefore a lens won't stick out quite as far. Which if you stick to small primes, becomes a nice advantage. But I think most people agree, once you start to mount any size lens to most cameras, the camera size just becomes a smaller factor. The X-T1 with the standard kit lens is really not any more inconspicuous then a DSLR with standard zoom. However I will concede something like the X100S(T) with that nice 35mm equiv integrated pancake lens is much more stealthy.

The area that DSLR's obviously can't follow mirrorless is in very small bodies and that's doubtless why Canon released the M and indeed why it targeted it in Japan where these bodies seem to sell best.

Again though I think a lot of mirrorless growth in the west is based on larger setups and isn't so much about the size saving of losing the mirror as filing a gap that Canon and Nikon have left via targeting all of their smaller bodies at the lower end of the market.

Given that so much of everyone's focus seems to be on moving upwards in the market I don't think it would be at all surprising to see Canon look to plug this gap in their line up somewhat. Espeically when you consider its backed up by a raft of cheap lenses(the new 18-55mm kit, the 10-18mm, the 55-250mm, etc) that balance well on a Rebel sized body and have good optics.


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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel 750D Spec List [CR1]
« on: January 21, 2015, 09:35:57 AM »
Keep in mind, it's still a rebel with rebel size and ergonomics. To me, a lot of the reasons to shoot with a pro camera or even a prosumer is just the better feel in the hand, buttons, controls... aka ergonomics. Things that you can't list on a spec sheet. Mounting any real glass on a rebel feels incredibly unbalanced to the system as a whole.

Total shot in the dark here, but could the different between the two be a traditional DSLR and a mirrorless? One of them removes the mirror and adds an EVF? With how conservative Canon is, this could be their way of hedging a bit and seeing how the market responds. Give the consumer the choice in basically identical bodies and see which one is popular? A little experiment, test the waters, and let it help drive their future market decisions.

I think its certainly possible to have a camera of a similar kind of size to the current standard rebels and also offer improved handling and build though, maybe not to quite the degree of the 70D but still an improvement.

When it comes to mirrorless I think its notable that recently we've actually seen bodies starting to grow in size(T-X1, E-M1, GH3/4, NX1). With those cameras your really no longer talking about something significantly smaller/lighter than a rebel, what your talking about is a camera with superior handling/build, that's a market that an upgraded Rebel sized body could also aimed for.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel 750D Spec List [CR1]
« on: January 21, 2015, 09:22:54 AM »
Is it possible for Canon to use other brand 24.2 megapixel sensor? For instance Sony.

What about the upper screen seen in the images? any word about it?

Thanks
That would be interesting.   If it is Sony will it be a slightly bigger APC sensor with 1.5x crop factor?  Or would they disable the outside pixels.

The greater crop factor does mean this can't be an existing sensor, except perhaps if it were a version of the new 28 MP Samsung?

These specs do seem pretty unlikely to me but if were talking about a spilt in the Rebel line that's already happened as you have the T5i, T5 and the SL1 all marketed under the Rebel name in the US. I definitely think theres room for the Txi camera to move up market due to both the other two lines and the presense of many rival mirrorless cameras offering higher level performance/handling in a smaller body.

If that's the case then price wise you could be looking at something that's not a great deal cheaper than the 70D thus doesn't need to worry much about undercutting it.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7Dii vs Samsung NX-1 Epic Shootout
« on: January 20, 2015, 04:31:36 AM »
When it comes to AF I would suggest that subjects being "large in the frame" is really the most important aspect of performance. If you were shooting with a prime then it would be the shots when the subject was at that kind of distance you would be likely interested in.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Patent: CN-E 35-260mm f/2.8 Soft Focus Lens
« on: January 19, 2015, 05:54:47 AM »
Thanks.

I can see I'll have to try it to judge it properly. Maybe the SONY implementation has some advantages in real life use.

To explain it a little better using the DC effects focus in two ways, if you focus on a subject then switch the DC setting the focus point will shift so you need to refocused or make sure DC is set first. Also though when you have DC enguaged it effects the cameras ability to AF so you need to change the micro focus adjustment. The amount it effects it by seems to relate to the DC setting relative to the aperture, so for example if your shooting the same DC setting as your aperture(weather that's F/2 for both of F5.6 for both) you'll be ok with the same Microfocus adjustment(I generally find about +5 or -5 in this case), obviously it changes from front to rear as well.

A lot of the reason why people view the DC as making the lens too soft is that they don't take the latter into account so end up with out of focus images. I also find that a lot of the examples people give of DC in use aren't really that helpful as its not so much that it shifts the out of focus areas further out of focus as that it smooths them out more so an already smooth background won't change that much but a busy one say full of tree branches will.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Sony closing down?
« on: January 19, 2015, 12:26:46 AM »
Sony won't close down though. Their sensors are in the vast majority of cameras people are using today, so they can spin that off as a profitable business on its own. Especially since their major competitors rely on them. I'd actually argue their failure to produce a consistent lens line is a function of them not trying to overextend their camera division. Instead they let 3rd parties handle that and focus on making cameras people want. And ones that adapt to legacy lenses that are used in the industry (PL, etc)

I would argue the opposite, I think a lot of the reason for Sony moving into mirrorless was exactly to cut out competition from 3rd party lens makers allowing them to have a sales tactic of drawing in customers with cheap cameras and then ultimately charging them more with expensive lenses. That's the kind of business tactic that's always held them back in photography if you ask me, you'll get some gadget freaks buying into it and some very casual users but there simply not trusted(rightly so IMHO) by much of the market.

The sensor division is a separate part of Sony to the camera division as well so its perfectly possible that the former stays and the latter is shut down or downsized greatly.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Patent: CN-E 35-260mm f/2.8 Soft Focus Lens
« on: January 17, 2015, 04:25:19 PM »
Setting the DC control to the same number as the aperture is the maximum effect, as I understand it.

Setting the control to 0 results in no change, rather the lens performs as if the DC control was not used.

Lens aperture at 2 and DC control at 5.6 is a minimum effect, for example.

The DC control as neutral is the minimum effect, larger the number either direction from that the greater the effect is.

Generally the guideline is that if you set the DC to the same as your working aperture the effect will mostly be confined to the out of focus areas of the image making either the front or rear smoother and the opposite harsher. If you choose a setting beyond your working aperture(so for example shooting at F/2 but with DC set to rear F/5.6) then the effect becomes stronger also having a significant impact on the in focus areas of the image more akin to a typical soft focus lens.

This image was shot at F/2 and rear F/5.6 for example...



The other thing to consider as well is that when you mess around with the DC it also alters the focus, both in terms of shifting the focus point and in the cameras own focus reading. The latter is really the main weakness of the feature I would say as if your using AF(even just to confirm manual focus) you need to constantly change your micro focus adjustment. The easiest way to work is to just use a magnified view on the rear screen.

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EOS Bodies / Re: NEW CAMERA - EOS 80D?
« on: January 17, 2015, 11:49:00 AM »
Personally I think its been clear for awhile now that the big hole in both Canon and Nikons lineup has been a DSLR the size of there entry level bodies but with the control layout/display of upper end bodies.

Having two dials is a big thing from a usability standpoint, but having to pick up an xxD or better to get it on Canon is a bit silly. That's one change I definitely welcome.

As I said I think its one area where I think they have played into the hands of rivals, especially mirrorless. The talk is always about size saving but really if you look at the cameras I mentioned theres not much size/weight difference compared to a small DSLR, the difference is I would say more that the mirrorless bodies offer higher end controls and build.

From the Nikon side I would love to pickup a smaller DSLR to go with my D800 but I just don't like the handling of the D5xxx/D3xxx series.

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