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EOS Bodies / Re: mhm... open letter to canon?

« on: October 05, 2012, 10:47:17 AM »

Maybe its just me but I get the feeling that Canon are specifically NOT targeting the "internet camera buff" market, serious amature or semi pro users very focused on IQ AND price.

There recent releases to me seem to be either focused on the larger pro markets(event photographers with the 5D3, sports/jurnos with the 1DX, looks like the 3D maybe a higher end studio cam aswell) or towards the more casual comsumer users.

We may turn our noses up at Wifi and GPS as gimmicks but for a high end family/travel camera they are probabley key sellers to alot of people. Likewise I'm guessing alot of such users arent going to be interested in learnign advanced AF systems, the best center point possible is likely enough.

Why would Canon not be going after the prosumers? my guess would be that theres simpley not much money to be made doing it, they hunger for the latest most expensive tech but generally are not willing to spend massive amounts. You look at Canon's profits and they do seem to be greater than there market share would suggest so my guess is that there making alot more on the 5D3 or the 6D than Nikon are on the D800 or D600.

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Lenses / Re: 24-70 ii shipping?

« on: October 05, 2012, 10:12:32 AM »

Strangely when I check the price in Finland they are much more expensive than the Finnish stores who are sticking to "list" price.  And since Digitalrev is outside the EU; I guess the Customs will also want to make this more dearer.

Credit card verification even for small companies need not be hard. A fax of a card statement usually seems to help the few who are unsure and who don't have online verification.

Digitalrev include the import tax in their basic prices now don't they?

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EOS Bodies / Re: POLL: How much $$$ will the high-mp eos cost?

« on: September 30, 2012, 02:25:57 AM »

To be honiest its pretty much impossible to guess because we don't know what where guessing about, at least with the 5D3 we had some idea of its specs before release.

If this camera follows in the footsteps of the 1Ds, has a big gripped body, the same advanced metering and other pro features and still highish FPS then the price is obviously likely to be very high. If on the other hand it ends up being in a body very similar to the 5D3 but with lower FPS then a price somewhere between that camera and the 1Dx seems more likely.

Theres also the sensor itself, if its a typical bayer just pushed to a higher level then thats likely to result in a lower price than if its some kind of new tech.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 5D3 vs. Nikon D600

« on: September 29, 2012, 07:03:00 AM »

I'd certainly agree with the OP's point about ISO measurements, to be honiest the technical side of these DR measurements is beyond me but its pretty simpley to see that just taking an artbitary "noise limate" and marking when it is reached isnt really much of a test.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D in 2013? [CR1]

« on: September 27, 2012, 05:19:10 AM »

If DOF and resolution are the only discernible differences between APS-C and full frame, then they will redefine APS-C as a choice based on use-case rather than as an entry into DSLR photography.

Absolutely, in an ideal world aps-c would be sufficient for everyone, ff (which is only defined by the legacy analog film) is mainly a fix for bad iso capability atm, at least unless a high mp camera is here. And ff has disadvantages like the slower x-sync.

But in the real world there are a couple of disadvantages to aps-c: if you use ef lenses you carry and pay for glass you partly don't use, and there are no sealed standard-range lenses for ef-s - Canon nails down aps-c to the amateur or birding sector with these non-offers.

Resolution wise I'm guessing ASPC is already near to the limates of optics for boarder to boarder sharpness though and thats an area were technology isnt advancing nearly as quickly and where any advances come at great expense.

If Canon did release a higher end 7D2 though I don't see the lens issue as being that difficult to fix, just release an updated version of the 17-55mm with improved build.

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EOS Bodies / Re: POLL: How much $$$ will the high-mp eos cost?

« on: September 26, 2012, 06:53:10 AM »

Going by the 3D name I'd guess somewhere between the 5Dmk3 and thw 1DX

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Lenses / Re: Zoom-walking, Walk-zooming

« on: September 15, 2012, 04:27:04 AM »

The usefulness of both methods really depend on your subject and style I'd say.

Taking shallow DOF portraits for example is much better suited to zooming with your feet than landscape shots IMHO were your both dealing with much larger distances and are more likely to want the flexibility of controling perspective that a zoom lens offers.

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PowerShot Cameras / Re: Canon PowerShot G15

« on: September 14, 2012, 01:05:20 PM »

Looks like they are still using the smaller 1/1.7" sensor. Finally a faster lens, but looks like Canon is just now catching up to the competition, nothing really new or interesting.  RX100 is still the edge with smaller size to fit in your pocket with a larger sensor.

It does seem the obvious alternative to the G1X, faster lens rather than larger sensor.

To me the viewfinder block ontop looks a bit larger than previous models so perhaps its improved? that and the fast lens to me looks to be something a bit more interesting than the P7700 which is really just a pretty standard superzoom.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D600 announced - $2100, let's see how Canon response!!!

« on: September 14, 2012, 02:31:30 AM »

I've noticed several people mention the 6D having 2 card slots. I think this is DEFINITELY a feature that will be missing. It's an easy way to differentiate between it and the Mark iii plus if it's really trying to get the entry level ff market then most people upgrading will only be used to one slot while those that are using it for a 2nd body will realize that's the cost of saving some money or if it's really important to them then they'll go get a 5d mark iii.

I think you could well be right and that the D600 and the 6D end up actually going after very different markets. The D600 to me looks much more a response to the 5D3 than it does an entry level model while Canon obviously have no need to come up with another camera in that area.

Could turn out to be smart business by Canon I'd say since I think price comes a much larger issue for entry level models. At that level giving up dial card slots, some FPS and AF performance on the D600 to save £500ish on a 6D would probabley be a popular choice.

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EOS Bodies / Re: *UPDATE* More Canon EOS 6D Specs Surface [CR1]

« on: September 12, 2012, 02:43:01 AM »

The gist of what I'm getting from reading these forums is that what people want are the features and specs of the 5D3.  They just don't want to pay the >$3K price tag for it.

But really:  If Canon put out a 6D with the same 5D3 sensor and a slightly worse AF system/burst rate and priced it under $2K, who is going to pay the $1K+ premium for a 5D3?

This is of course true with any product but that doesnt mean the best busienss move is dropping the price provided there is a market who do want to buy the camera.

The D6 vs D600 situation seems to be more of a potential problem than the 5D3 vs D800 to me, with the latter the Canon did offer some clear advanatges(higher FPS, argubley superior video and AF) plus alot of users were already commited to there system anyway. With the former though the D600 seems to outspec the D6 across the board plus both are marketed towards users who do not have a commitment to a FF system.

Still I wouldnt rule out a very cheap 6D, Canon's tactics in the past have afterall been to price high at the pro end and low at the comsumer end. Specs wise the 6D seems "crippled" enough not to hurt 5D3 sales much and if the rumours for the 7D2 are correct(1DX level AF, 10 FPS) then I'd say both cameras at a similar price or perhaps even the 7D2 for a little more seem possible.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Sony RX1 Full Frame sensor Compact leaked photos / rumor

« on: September 11, 2012, 02:11:51 PM »

epic fail! No lens mount, no zoom = no go.
like Sigma DP1, DP2, Leica X-1 ... dead in the water. 

I will never buy a one-focal-length camera.

X100 anyone? One of the most popular cams around until the x-pro 1.

This is just awesome, I applaud you sony.

Look at the X-pro 1's price compaired to the X100 though, your getting the most hyped feature of both cameras in the hybrid EVF/OVF AND a good 35mm equivilent lens for less than the price of the interchangeble lens body by itself.

$2800 on the other hand looks to be far more than the price of the new Nikon D600 which will have a similar sensor and a similar price to that camera and a good quality lens so its really the minaturisation yout paying for.

I can't imagine many users preffering the RX1 to an interchangeble lens equivilent.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Sony RX1 Full Frame sensor Compact leaked photos / rumor

« on: September 11, 2012, 05:51:07 AM »

Hmm, this, or a Nikon D600 with a nice lens?

At that price I think the RX1 would need to have the D800 sensor or a really exceptional lens in order to appeal.

The sensor that sits in the D800 is a Sony sensor, so chances are that they will be very similar.

The rumour is its the 24MP sensor which looks like its going to be released for half the price in the D600.

My point was that recently other manifacturers have used fixed lens cameras as a way of offering tech to the market(X100, G1X, DP2M) at a lower price without damaging the value of there interchangle lens models.

Sony could potentially do that by either offering the RX1 with either the D600 or D800 sensor at the same price as those cameras without a good lens.

As it is they seem to be banking on the space saving alone being a big enough draw to get people to pay the same price and lose alot of features for smaller size alone.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Sony RX1 Full Frame sensor Compact leaked photos / rumor

« on: September 10, 2012, 10:15:11 PM »

Just wait a year, and the used price may be 1.5K

..or perhaps a bit longer. My first thought when I saw this is that its going to be a great used buy in 2-3 years time ala the Fuji 690 cameras with fixed lenses.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Sony A99 Rumored Specs "Leak"

« on: September 10, 2012, 10:10:43 PM »

102 AF points with only 11 cross looks like more of a headline grabber to me and I have my doubts it'll be the preffered tool of action photographers with Sony's weakenss on long lenses and the SLT mirror robbing 2/3 of a stop of light.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Sony RX1 Full Frame sensor Compact leaked photos / rumor

« on: September 10, 2012, 08:37:57 AM »

Not bad but as with Fuji, Sony most probably will introduce an interchangeable lens version in the near future (assuming all this is real and not a fantasy). However, I will stick to my 5DMkII and 35mm 1.4 L. Although bigger it's free since I already have it    (plus it accepts the rest of my Canon lenses  )

I'm guessing that belief they will follow Fuji could well hold back alot of buyers.

The problem I see aswell is that if the rumours are correct and its a 24MP sensor for $2800 it doesnt really seem like great value. The D600 with exactly the same sensor and the D6 with a similar one both look likely to be alot cheaper than that so unless the Ziess lens really is an exceptional performer where is the money saved for losing alot of features?

I spose they'll probabley get a few rich novelty buyers but the price is going to need to come down alot to have a wider appeal IMHO.