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EOS Bodies / Re: A Loose Roadmap [CR1]

« on: October 05, 2011, 03:06:36 AM »

That said, I think that in the longer term, the days of reflex mirrors are numbered.  Within 5 years it would not surprise me if most "single lens cameras" have done away with the reflex mirror.  The biggest stumbling block may still be a decent EVF.

The biggest stumbling bock should be a good fast AF. We may say that The New Nikon mirrorless has both contrast detector and phrase detector built into the sensor(??). But Nikon may be holding the patent right on it. So it will be off limit to other manufacturer.   If we are using mirrorless, we can just use the LCD screen at teh back of the camera as view finder. All point and shoot user are doing it. we do not need EVF and use the mirrorless like a DSLR.
On the other hand, Canon can build a copy of the M9 with Leica M mount and made a new line of lenses. Canon is fully capable of doing it. Canon has been making Leica copies for decaded until the 60's. The patent right of M mount has expired afew years back.

The biggest drawback will IMHO be using an EVF, the current generation are still IMHO pretty poor looking and I have my doubts they'll ever look great given the size limations.

The NEX seems to show that mirrorless ultimately does not have THAT big an impact on lens size and most serious photogra0hers are not going to want a grossly unbalanced body,. If the body is held back my having to balance the lens(and include the current amount of manual controls) and the lens arent that much smaller then is a much smaller reduction in size worth giving up the OVF for?

My feeling is that we'll probabley see the high end market spilt between DSLR's with the current wide range of zooms and large sensor ultra compact mirrorless that use mostly primes.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Nikon D800 at 36mp, Will Canon Respond?

« on: October 04, 2011, 05:06:20 PM »

I honestly doubt that Canon will come back with a 5D Mark III. I kinda agree with what has been given in terms of speculation and that Canon will come back with the new-entry full frame camera that will sit below a Mark III.

When the Mark III comes out Canon is aiming for both video and photography and at the moment if the rumors hold up Canon is already aiming at the video people for November 3rd. So it would only make sense that they release a new-entry camera for the photographers and then save the big guns heading into next year with the Mark III.

The 5D mk3 could of course be the new entry level FF model if we see one with the infamous 3D sitting at the $3000-4000 price point, use the established name to add legitiamncey to the lower end model since it would still probabley outspect the mk2.

Personally I feel it could be the entry level model(either one having it and the other not or one outspecing the other) that gives one brand the real advanatge over the other unless one of them comes up with a massive leap in ISO or DR.  Just upping megapixels on high end models is afterall pretty predictable and I'd be supprized if Canon werent expecting it way before the rumours.

The smart move would IMHO be anticipating that many users don't need to move beyond 20-25 MP and that dropping 5D mk2 prices(plus cheap 5D mk1's) have created a new lower end FF market which $4000 bodies won't tap into.

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EOS Bodies / Re: A New Entry Level Full Frame Camera? [CR1]

« on: October 04, 2011, 08:30:55 AM »

With all the new bodies, advancements, and systems pouring into the market, it would make allot of sense for canon to provide an affordable FF body - with a ~$1,500 price tag. This will open the market to many enthusiasts (like myself) who want the high end of IQ - but are not going to pay thousands of $$ on a body - that with the fast moving market - might be somewhat obsolete in less then 18 months.

This would also prompt enthusiasts  to invest in L lenses which are geared for FF.

I'd add that it could also potentially change the nature of the FF market bringing it closer to Canons crop setup.

Something like....

$1500-2000 - New entry level with old 5D mk2 sensor and new processor.

$3000-4000 - 5D mk3 with new FF sensor, new processor and 7D AF.

$7000-8000 - Flagship with new sensor and duel processor.

Much more room for users to potentially upgrade though the models that way.

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Lens Giveaway Contest / Re: *Contest* Landscape - Post Here.

« on: October 04, 2011, 07:50:14 AM »

Morteratsch Glacier, Switzerland

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EOS Bodies / Re: A Loose Roadmap [CR1]

« on: October 03, 2011, 05:22:45 AM »

That is what I am wondering.  The problem is that mirrorless spans a multitude of EVILs (excuse the pun).  Depending on price, size, features and lenses, it could span anywhere from where the G series sits to where the Leica M9 sits.  That may give a hint as to why runaway success is eluding the mirrorless segment at the moment.

I guess my biggest quibbles with my G11 are the sensor size (and associated DoF and noise issues), the shutter lag and f/2.8 not being bright enough at the short end.  In reality I don't need an interchangeable lens system for my pocketable camera.  If I want anything longer than about 150mm (35mm normalised) I may as well use a DSLR.  That requirement set shows absolutely no need to a compact system camera!

That said, I think that in the longer term, the days of reflex mirrors are numbered.  Within 5 years it would not surprise me if most "single lens cameras" have done away with the reflex mirror.  The biggest stumbling block may still be a decent EVF.

Thats always been my feeling, espeically now the Nikon's smaller mirrorless doesnt seem to save much space.

I wouldnt be supprized if the delay to the G13 is a response to the X10, manifactures should really have been pushing up sensor size for manual high end compacts well before now so hopefully that camera kicks off a shift in that direction? The X10's lens size doesnt seem to have become that large even with the large appature thoughout the range so I can see potential for Canon to push things even further with sensor size.

If Canon creates an interchangeble lens mirrorless then I think there better off aiming above not below m43.  To me the most obvious gap in the market right now seems to be between the X100 and NEX, crop size sensor, a couple of bodies(one larger prenium with a hybrid OVF/EVF and one budget without) and a range of small primes that balance well with those bodies.

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Lenses / Re: Hey Rumor Guy: What about any LENS rumors?

« on: October 02, 2011, 02:09:20 PM »

I remember this discussion a few months back and one poster thought that the 24-70mm would be released with the 5D 3.  Well, the OP got a few "strongly disagree" responses.  The responses all seemed to suggest that the 24-105 II would be released with the 5D 3, since the 24-105 is more general purpose lens than the 24-70mm.  I'd like to see a 24-70 with IS, but it won't make me run out and get one if it appears with the 5D 3 or 1Ds Mk IV.  Very happy with the one I have as it's rarely off my 7D.

I'd tend to agree with that, if a new 24-70 comes out it will more likely be with the new flagship IMHO where as if we see a new 24-105 it'll probabley have a longer range and come out with the 5D mk3.

Not seen any rumours about one but my own prefference would be for a zoom between UWA and Standard, something like a 20-70 f/4 or EF-S equivilent. Theres been talk of a Pentax 12-35 on crop for awhile I see but besides that I'm supprized nobody has gone after that market as a general purpose landscape lens.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 650d or 70d

« on: October 02, 2011, 01:31:56 PM »

Sales wouldnt go to "zero" but I think its pretty obvious they'd be very very badly hit, espeically if the 70D has the new sensor first.

My guess is that Canon will put out the 650D with the old 7D sensor but the new processor and market it on high FPS(plus some gimmick features) next spring then put out the 7D mk2 in the summer with the new sensor followed by the 70D with that sensor a few months latter and the 700D with it in spring 2013.

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EOS Bodies / Re: A Loose Roadmap [CR1]

« on: October 02, 2011, 02:41:26 AM »

Don't get me wrong - I agree that they will lose customers the longer they wait.  That is a given, and Canon has to know this.  But the small amount of customers that they lose will be more than offset by milking the current 5D for much longer.

It might not just be a question of milking profits, selling the 5D mk2 for £1500 and potentially even less in the future allows Canon to exploit the lower end of the FF market. Unless a new entry level FF body appears they'll likely lose the ability to sell for that market when the Mk3 launches at a much higher price. An extended period with a new 1Ds and no mk3 might have the opposite effect on the higher end of the market and lead to more users shifting up.

My feeling is that the 7D would actually be hurt more by the D400 or something similar being in direct competision since there would likely be less of a price gap than between the 5D mk2 and the D800.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Your wishlist for your next body...

« on: September 27, 2011, 11:37:09 AM »

Personally I'd like to see a "landscape" FF body, I'm happy enough with the FPS and AF on my 550D and from the sound of it the current 5D mk2 ISO performance would probabley be all I really need aswell. For me to pull the trigger and upgrade to FF sometime in the next year more megapixels and a fully weather sealed body would be the most desireble, perhaps a weak AA filter aswell.

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PowerShot Cameras / Re: The Next G Series

« on: September 27, 2011, 07:15:17 AM »

Nothing I'v heard.

Personally I wouldnt be supprized if Canon shifts the G series to a larger sensor along the lines of the X10, the Fuji looks promising but I think theres room to trump it for sensor size without the lens getting prohibitively large and add either a better OVF or EVF.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Price point of a 5Dmk2 replacement

« on: September 27, 2011, 03:22:57 AM »

I'd guess alot depends on exactly where the 5D mk3 will fit into Canon's lineup, if theres a new FF body(either 6D or 3D) then theres the possibility of it being shifted up or down in spec. I wouldnt be supprized if it was the latter personally, perhaps we could end up with a lineup with 3 FF bodies(5D, 3D, 1D/1Ds) all with the same sensor but with build, AF and FPS getting progressively better ala crops?

That does seem to make sense to me since it allows Canon to exploit the market the 5D mk2 is currently tapping into with a cheaper FF body while offering something better to those wanting the AF/Build/FPS upgrades.

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Lenses / Re: 3D EF lens

« on: September 26, 2011, 09:14:51 AM »

I do see 3D photography and video being a potential seller personally, TV always looked iffy to me because it tends to be a much more passive expereince than going to the cinema which people arent going to want to wear goofy glasses for. Watching home movies or a TV slideshow though do seem like the kind of thing people would be willing to wear them though IMHO.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Nikon unveils V1 and J1 Mirrorless Cameras

« on: September 26, 2011, 06:24:56 AM »

The whole small sensor with interchangeable lens thing makes no sense to me
first the Q with a sensor barely bigger than a PS camera now Nikon?

with a sensor this small it practicaly negates the major advantage of interchangeable lens (shallow DOF) you might as well put a fixed 24-120 equivalent like the S100 and be done with it

Yeah thats my feeling, the X10 seems to point more to the future between compact and m43 than these Nikon releases do, seems theres still a good deal more room for a larger fixed lens. I can't say I know the technical specifics but wouldnt an UWA fixed lens be possible with a larger sensor? 22mm or even 20mm would offer something different to any current compact.

Personally I think its too late to challange the m43 crowd on there own ground now, if these Nikons are anything to go by they've got way too much of a head start. The smarter move for Canon would IMHO be too merge the best aspects of the NEX and the X100, a crop sensor in a small body(maybe one ultra compactand a larger prenium one with a viewfinder and more manual controls) with a range of pancake primes.

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EOS Bodies / Re: A New Entry Level Full Frame Camera? [CR1]

« on: September 25, 2011, 02:22:42 AM »

Then why not making a FF camcorder and skip messing with the whole DSLR thing? IMHO, FF mirrorless makes a lot more sense than "cheap" FF DSLR, specially for videos, because you don't need a mirror for that at all and it would be much easier to adapt ANY lens you want. The next important thing is that mirrorless is cheaper to produce - no mirror-box, no OVF, no PDAF etc.

The obvious problem is that to really exploit the mirrorless small size Canon would need to come up with a new range of lenses. A rangefinder with a few primes(say 24mm, 35mm, 50mm, 85mm, 100mm macro, 135mm) I could see but a whole new range of lenses seems unlikely to me.

If anything happens I'd say that going by Canon's current lineup its likely a cheap FF DSLR would be more likely to be held back by AF than megapixels, perhaps with no video aswell if Canon are looking to market an EF video cam.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 1Ds Mark IV Information [CR2]

« on: September 15, 2011, 08:45:32 AM »

With the 7D around, people who need a sport camera have a great camera with capable auto-focus. Maybe Canon know the next 7DII will have the 45 point AF or something even better. For those who need range, the 1.6x is also a nice thing. So why keep the 1D around?...

That could also I spose have the benefit of making it easier to differentiate product lines with AF...

Pro Grade - 1Ds & 7D

Current 7D Standard  - 5D and xxD

Current Basic - xxxD and xxxxD

The same could be true with FPS aswell, a 1Ds Mk4 with 10 FPS vs say a 5D mk3 with 5 FPS provides much more of a differentiation than they currently have.