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EOS Bodies / Re: Where did the new Canon 5DX topic go to?
« on: March 08, 2012, 02:39:21 AM »
is that 5DX picture on the 1st post original or not? Any thoughts on that picture?

Yeah I ment the first pic, compair it to these two pics...

Looks very similar to me in terms of the lighting although I spose Canon could have some standardised setup.

To me Nikon's range seems a little backwards, as great as the 14-24mm is do most users need f/2.8? doesnt really seem vital to me for whats going to most commonly be a landscape lens while it adds alot to the weight/price and perhaps hurts the flare resistance aswell?

A 14-24mm f/4 IS seems like it would be ideal for many people to me, espeically if Canon looked to introduce some kind of filter system into the design(drop ins or perhaps a screw off hood  that leaves a filter ring rather than a fixed one?) rather than just leaving it to 3rd parties to come up with overly expensive alternatives.

EOS Bodies / Re: So, what about the T4i?
« on: March 07, 2012, 11:46:33 PM »
I'm waiting for 650D too.

One question about XXXD line. If it is a line for photographers-beginners (or amateurs with little money), then why they should require so many megapixles?
Aren't megapixels for studio (or landscape) photographers, who can shoot REALLY well and make money on this?
What is the profit of 18 mp if a person can't shoot well?

I wouldnt say owning a xxxD means someone "can't shoot well" espeically with something like landscape where lighting and composition are often harder to achieve than sharpness.

I'd say that often amatures may end up using high MP counts more often aswell, published shots in a magazine might not need 18 MP but if your printing A2 to hang some holiday shots on the wall then its obviously a benefit as would 20+ be providing the lenses can live up to it.

Canon have afterall tended to use ISO/AF to differentiate lower from higher end models in the past so I think its possible they'll take the same route on crops and keep the 7D at 18 MP and the xxxD/xxD at 20+ MP.

EOS Bodies / Re: Where did the new Canon 5DX topic go to?
« on: March 07, 2012, 02:06:13 PM »
Looks like it could be a mockup of the common 1DX + 50mm 1.2 and 5D mk3 + 24-70 2.8 mk2 pics to me, the lighting on the 1DX pic is almost identical.

The shot from above is the 4K body Canon showed last year isnt it? looks like it has the red "C" badge.

This is just a theory.  And let me first off say that I am a landscape photographer.  I shoot some news and weddings, but primarily landscape.  And I'll say that I was disappointed that the 5Diii wasn't higher MP.

I wonder if the reason that almost all the new and updated features in the new 5D are geared for wedding, sports, nature, news shooters because these are the types of shooters that DSLRs are geared toward naturally.  Would it be true that most studio and landscape shooters that make the serious dough use medium format digital and full frame film.  Where those who are on more limited budgets settle for DSLRs as a budget option.  Afterall many features that are on DSLRs, even the idea of a single-lens reflex system aren't necessary for a landscape photographer, and some such as an SLR system even limit quality.  Aren't optics more difficult when needing to put a mirror in the way of the lens and sensor vs. a rangefinder system.

I'm not saying that professional landscapers and studio shooters don't use DSLRs and some make a good chunk of change.  But in general DSLRs are designed for the exact audience that the new 5D seems to be geared for.

So I think that canon looks at the bottom line and realizes that no matter how many people want more megapixels there is simply a bigger market that wants low ISO, FPS, etc.

My hope is that Canon comes out with a camera that does fit that niche market.  I'd pre-order it in a second.

Like I said, I'm just proposing a theory.  Anyone have thoughts?

Most MF camera are DSLR's aswell of course but I do think its a good point, the 1DX is arguebley the best high end FPS/AF/ISO tool money can buy with the 5D mk3 not far behind so they tap into a higher end market. High megapixel FF DSLR's on the other hand are operating in the middle ground between normal FF/Crop ones and MF.

Ther 1Ds mk3 wasnt a great seller not just due to competision from the 5D mk2 but also from MF like the 645D coming down in price. Nikon's D3X wasnt a great seller either and that lacked any competision from a cheaper Nikon SLR with the same sensor afterall.

The recent interviews with Canon on this subject did seem to give the impression that it was going to be a "wait and see" with reguards the D800's performance.

I'm actually supprized that there hasnt been some form of mirrorless MF camera(well besides scanning backs) since to me that seems like a great fit just as it was for MF rangefinders and film. The savings in size/weight/cost obviously get greater the larger the sensor and if your dealing with landscape and studio users alot of the lenses are going to be in the wide/normal range where mirrorless could save space there too. The weakness in AF is less of a problem for such users and with an EVF not being able to see the effects of filters isnt a problem anymore either

My guess is that if Canon does come up with a high MP body its going to be more of a speicalist one designed specifically for landscape/studio(even higher MP, maybe 1D level build but lower ISO and FPS) than the D800 with a price to match.

They do afterall target the landscape/studio/macro markets with some very speicalist and very expensive lenses so I'd guess there feeling could be that if someone can afford say 17mm and 24mm TSE lenses they can afford a $4K body.

Personally, I think the 5D mkIII specs suit the needs of landscape photographers. Or, at the very least, it suits my needs as a landscape/nature photographer.

 My reasoning is thus: I'm often shooting in the morning or evening (golden hour) in low light at an f-stop between f/8 and f/11 and quite often I'll be using various filters from polarizers to graduated ND filters. This means that in order to get decent shutter speed I generally have to crank the ISO up, but I want as clean an image as possible. So the 5D mkIII's improvement on the mkII's ISO will be a great help.

Here's a tip: get a tripod and shoot at ISO 100 more often.

He does hilight that theres alot of differences within the "landscape" market, I'd guess most amatures take some landscapes but people willing to use a tripod(espeically on holiday) and deal with exact appature/focus to get the most out of 36 MP are likely in the minority.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 5D Mark III - Price Drop Details
« on: March 06, 2012, 06:08:16 PM »
I could see a price reduction, Canon needs a winner. I don't know how many people love this camera, but if you looking around the web, its getting slammed. There are some core canon folks defending it, but mostly unhappy people/Nikon fans posting. Which if, I was new to canon and researching this camera it would be moving me toward a different camera. You'll really never see posts in forums from happy people, unless they are helping someone.

"The Net" really isnt a very good guide to how sucessful a camera is going to be I'd say, on camera forums it tends to be those who didnt get what they wanted and fanboys of rival brands that shout the loudest, if you went by DPR espeically pretty much every camera would be a disapointing failiure.

My guess would be that prices drop a little quicker than the 5D mk2 though, the mk3 to me seems like a camera more focused on the professional market so I'd guess Canon believe that pro's who've been waiting for improved AF, FPS, ISO etc will buy even if it a bit more expensive. Even with the disasters in asia supply will probabley be better this time around as Canon likely have much higher expectations than they did with the somewhat supprizing sucess of the Mk2.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's answer to the D800E
« on: March 06, 2012, 03:37:53 AM »
But for landscape work where corner sharpness is important, it may be that you really have to go to medium format to get 40+ megapixels resolved with good quality.

It shall be interesting to see how the D800 will perform in landscape photography with the Nikon lens lineup.

*nods* I am wondering how far from a cap on MP we are with FF cameras.  While new lenses can always be produced I would wager they would get progressively more expensive to produce, and of course people like being able to use old glass.

I would not be surprised if Canon/Nikon/Sony/etc start looking into other ways to get high MP like titled sensor + MF lenses or something.  If they could find a way to bring the price down there is quite a bit of pent up demand for MF cameras that is not willing to pay the much higher cost of current digital backs.

Couldnt border performance be potentially improved by increasing the size of the image circle? perhaps thats actually what the new 24-70 does hence the larger front element ahd high price?

Simple question. Can a full frame mirrorless deliver the same IQ, ISO-noise, color and contrast as a full frame DSLR?

You could of course have something like the K-01 and merely remove the mirror on an existing FF camera while keeping the DSLR mount and flange distance.

The main probablem with smaller flange distances to me seems to be with wide lenses, from what I'v read digital sensors cannot handle light hitting them at as oblique an angle as film did which makes boarder performance a challange.

IMHO the 5D line was a landscape and studio camera. So if you take the pixel pitch of a 7D and move it to FF you'd end up in the 40MP range and that's where I would have like to see it. Are your 7D images not detailed enough? don't you sing praises to them all the time? so yeah, hate to break it to you but your lenses are more than up to the task. I would have liked to maximize them.

In terms of specs perhaps it was but in terms of who was buying it I'd say probabley not, many users who wanted the IQ but couldnt afford a 1Ds mk2/mk3 probabley went for 5D's inspite of rather than because of the basic AF and low FPS.

A crop body is only going to test the sweet spot of a lens aswell and boarder performance is obviously going to be a big part of any landscape system. Seeing how the D800/D800E perform with Nikons lenses is really going to be a desider for me.

the new 5D is more of a sports/action body. while it is perfectly ok for other uses, it simply didn't push the bounds. If you shot landscapes or studio where ISO and FPS aren't a top priority, you got 1 more MP for 1000 more dollars and that's about it.

I'd say its more of an all rounder in the mold of the 1Ds mk3.

I'd guess that either we'll see a new Canon body specifically targetting landscape/studio use or Canon have given up on this market believing that either its lenses arent up to it or its simpley too small with MF above.

EOS Bodies / Re: Which Body follows next?
« on: March 03, 2012, 10:18:45 AM »
The 650D would probabley be the answer you get from most but really I'd say its anyones guess given how the asian distasters seem to have mixed up the schedule.

EOS Bodies / Re: I hope 5dx , 45 million pixels
« on: March 03, 2012, 10:16:42 AM »
there is no 5DX guys....

Obviously not in the near future but I'd be supprized if Canon gave up on megapixels and Nikon gave up on an affordable all rounder.

EOS Bodies / Re: 5d MK IV
« on: March 03, 2012, 09:54:10 AM »
Should I hold off for one or get the Mkiii?

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III Sample Images
« on: March 02, 2012, 02:15:58 AM »
I'm surprised Canon actually has so many samples.  Why didn't they do this with the 1DX  in fact, the 1DX still has less samples out there.

I'd love it if the shots from the guy who was spotted with the 5D Mark III last month appeared in there!  ;)

The 1DX looks like it will ship after the 5D mk3, I'd guess it was annouced early to get more hype as the flagship and to allow pros to plan for its purchase.

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