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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mark II for Photokina? [CR1]
« on: December 29, 2011, 02:06:13 PM »
I don't think Canon will make the 7D II a APS-H. I think it actually makes a lot of sense for them too. They can make the 7DII  APS-H and then put the 70D much higher in the range to take the place of the 7D for people that want to stick with their EF-S Lenses.

I'm only really in the market for a FF camera in the future so I'm not so concerned with what the 7DII will be.  I'm happy with my 7D now. But I will be much less likely to upgrade it if it's just a high MP APS-C camera. Canon needs to either redesign the 18mp sensor or put a APS-H in it for me to be interested.

I know I'm not the normal customer perhaps. I have no EF-S lenses to worry about and I'm content with my 7D. The 7D's AF is fantastic, the build quality is great and the feature list is outstanding. The only thing the 7D really needs is a new sensor. I would be fine with the amount of noise at high ISOs if the pattern was prettier.

As has been said though going ASPH would be users with EF-S lenses would be less likely to upgrade and would also mean that the new system lacked UWA coverage, not a problem for the 1D but the 7D has been marketed as a more all round system.

If Canon really wanted to target the 1D userbase then I'd guess staying at 18 megapixels, upping the AF and FPS would be the most obvious way to go with the extra range of the 1.6 crop being the big selling point.

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That is exactly the reason why I have suggested Canon should upsize the S100. Give it a 4/3 sensor, FAST AF, Keep f2.0 at wide side,make it faster at tele with a better lens at the same time.

For something the size of the S series I'd guess the lens would be prohibtively large with a sensor that size. They could I spose go with a prime or a shorter zoom but the G series seems better suited to upping the sensor size.

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The fact that most high IQ cameras have interchangeable lenses is because it gives both manufacturer and user more flexibility. Imagine that most cameras had fixed lenses. The camera manufacturer would have to offer at least a dozen different versions of each camera type. Not to speak of us poor users. I would have to carry six cameras with fixed lenses to many of the events.
If you are that enamored with fixed lenses, just leave yours on.

My point was that the low sales of mirrorless lenses suggest that the majority of the market are not interested in flexability but rather image quality. If a mirrorless kit lens is good enough for them then a fixed lens that likely has a superior zoom range, better appature and more macro ability will be aswell.

They would miss out on some business but equally they may well gain some from users who don't want the hassel of multiple lenses aswell as a potentially more pocketable camera. Whats more they wouldnt end up stepping on the feet of there own DSLR business

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III Sooner Than Later [CR2]
« on: December 28, 2011, 01:51:21 AM »
What do you see as disadvantages?

A similar problem happened to the 1Ds3.  When the 5D2 came out the extras provided by the 1Ds3 weren't really worth it for many photographers.

The problem the 1Ds mk3 had though is that alot of its potential market was studio/landscape users and to them its advanatges in AF and FPS over the 5D mk2 werent really very relivant. The 1DX on the other hand  seems that dispite the hype its marketed much more towards the 1D userbase so while a say 1DX sensor, 7D level AF, 6 FPS 5D mk3 might be an alternative it would be one with alot more disadvanatges.

Well in that case for a sports/jurno/wildlife shooter they would be lower FPS, worse AF, no protrait grip, worse build and a bunch of other features.

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What mirrorless may become and what it is today are two very different propositions, today I think its clear that most users who want multiple speicalist lenses still preffer DSLR's. As I said my feeling is that alot of its sucess is based on the lack of larger sensor fixed lens alternatives.

You could argue that Canon would be better served by "getting on the horse" but equally I think you could argue that by holding off there giving themselves more flexibility. Much of the tech for an interchangeble lens system can be tested and perfected on a fixed lens system afterall and it means Canon isnt tied to a certain sensor size/lens mount long term in what is still a fast changing market.


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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III Sooner Than Later [CR2]
« on: December 27, 2011, 09:07:41 PM »
A similar problem happened to the 1Ds3.  When the 5D2 came out the extras provided by the 1Ds3 weren't really worth it for many photographers.

The problem the 1Ds mk3 had though is that alot of its potential market was studio/landscape users and to them its advanatges in AF and FPS over the 5D mk2 werent really very relivant. The 1DX on the other hand  seems that dispite the hype its marketed much more towards the 1D userbase so while a say 1DX sensor, 7D level AF, 6 FPS 5D mk3 might be an alternative it would be one with alot more disadvanatges.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III Sooner Than Later [CR2]
« on: December 27, 2011, 02:22:37 PM »
Any other major events due to happen some time after May next year?

Euro 2012

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To me that says that the real drive in the growth of the mirrorless market isnt so much based on users who want speicalists lenses but rather those who want superior IQ to that offer on compacts.
... as well as those who don't need the OVF, mirror, PDAF and extra price for these things they never use.
Not making it an interchangeable lens camera would be a big mistake.

My point is that I think the hype and the reality of the mirrorless market maybe very different. The hype is that mirrorless is replacing the DSLR but I suspect the reality is more than its created a market of its own between DSLR's and compacts. Users who don't nesserally want speicalists lenses but do want the extra image quality/ISO performance of a larger sensor.

A "super G series" could potentially offer those users the image quality they want and the single lens they want with greater range/appature than an interchangeble system in a smaller package.

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Canon should find ways to get FAST AF (like Nikon V1 ) build an APS-C sensor compact mirrorless with just 2 or 3 small basic lenses and a EF/EF-S adapter. This will get Canon on the map of mirrorless.

They could but its a very crowded market where as like I said I see larger sensor fixed lens mirrorless as a fertile and as yet largely untapped market.

Personally I'm supprized it took so long for any of the big guns to move beyond the typical 1/1.7″ sensor thats been in high end compacts/bridges for years considering how intense conmpetision has been. Not only does it potentially offer what I believe the majority of users are after in a smaller/cheaper package but ties the manifacturer down far less than an interchangeble lens system does.

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One observation I'd make for the fixed/interchangble lens arguement for mirrorless is the relative body and lens sales of these system. The various m43 systems, The NEX's etc bodies are selling pretty well, not aswell as DSLR's but there  in the same ballpark but the same isnt true for lenses at all where Canon, Nikon and to a lesser degree Sony's conventional SLR lenses still dominate.

To me that says that the real drive in the growth of the mirrorless market isnt so much based on users who want speicalists lenses but rather those who want superior IQ to that offer on compacts.

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EOS Bodies / Re: What if - interchengeable sensors
« on: December 20, 2011, 03:18:53 PM »
Except that Ricoh has introduced a Leica M-mount module that does not include a lens.

The difference though is that the GXR is a mirrorless system so the OVF/mirror does not need to be replicated in each module. With a DSLR the tradisional MF modular backs seem to make alot more sense although I think the form factor could definately be improved.

If Canon did come out with some kind of high end mirrorless system the GXR M mount route(that is a modular sensor and lens mount rather than M mount specifically) could make sense I spose since I'd guess replicating the lens mount is cheaper than replicating the rear controls and LCD although it does mean you loose the ability to change either.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Hoping for a Entry level FF
« on: December 12, 2011, 08:15:03 AM »
The continued sucess of the 5D mk2 at a lower price point does certainly seem to hint that there a significant market for an entry level FF body, Indeed I could see this being the most important battleground of this generation considering that the D3s and 5D mk2 have hilighted the direction both companies are likely to go with similar models this time around.

As far as the 7D goes I wouldnt be supprized to see it move up in the market this time round giving it more distance from the 70D aswell as appealing more to ASPH users.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T4i [CR2]
« on: December 09, 2011, 06:24:20 AM »
To be fair the Sony sensor is just one example and represented a larger jump in resolution over a shorter time period than Canon moving to 24 MP would.

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EOS Bodies / Re: A Bit About the 5D Mark III? [CR1]
« on: December 07, 2011, 01:43:58 AM »
One thing to consider is that the 7D mk2 could potentially move up in the market, if its AF and FPS are advanced further then that leaves room for a 5D mk3 to improve those areas without stepping on its toes.

Really though the market for me seems to be more suited to 2 5D sized cameras than one...

Cheaper body - $2500 - 1DX sensor, 6 FPS, slightly improved AF.

More expensive Body - $4000 - 30+ MP sensor, 3 FPS, slightly improved AF, 100% viewfinder, pro level build.

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Lenses / Re: Extention tube ?'s
« on: December 05, 2011, 02:02:31 PM »
One more expensive alternative I'd heard mention is using the Canon lifesize converter for the old 50mm 2.5 macro. While it was marketed exclusively for use with that lens I'v seen comments that it will work with any EF(not EF-S) lens such as the 100mm IS L macro. Seems like its a mix of extension tube and teleconverter optimised for macro.

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