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EOS Bodies / Re: From NL: NDAs expiring on the 2nd of March
« on: February 22, 2012, 05:53:43 AM »


I'd add that the 1DX seems more obviously focused on those sports, jurno, wildlife users than the 1Ds Mk3 was. The latters problem was I'd say that because it was also partly aimed at the studio/landscape market alot of those users didnt need its extra features so just bought a 5D mk2 instead.

The 1d4 was the body for sports and wildlife shooter

The 1Ds3 was for studio and landscape as you say. The 1Ds3 has a lot of extra features over and above the 5D2. The headline feature was of course the AF with everyone latching on to the number of AF points etc.

However there are a lot of little features on the 1Ds3 that dont get into the reviews - such as the ability to select up to 8 af points for metering, metering on the af point rather than the centre point and so on.

Other minor things for landscapers might be the 7 shot bracketing

Plus of course the standard series 1 benefites such as weatherpoofing, dual cards etc

The 1Ds Mk3 did clearly have alot of features that werent obviously aimed at the landscape/studio market though such as the relatively high FPS and advanced AF. Seemed to me like it was partly aimed at the jurno/sport/wildlife market aswell for those shooters who needed the benefits of a larger sensor at the expense of some FPS.

The 1DX seems much more focused on its target market so its likely that more of that market will be less willing to give up its features for a cheaper 5Dmk3/X.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 18-45 f/3.5-5.6 Kit Lens for APS-C Mirrorless Patent
« on: February 22, 2012, 05:41:31 AM »
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The problem with FF mirrorless is I'd guess that FF users are going to demand a much larger range of lenses, look at the problems Sony had with there FF DSLR in that reguard. With an ASPC mirrorless you really only need a normal zoom and a pancake prime to keep 95% of the market happy.

There would be no problem with FF mirrorless if they'd make an OEM adapter for EF lenses and even FD/FL. + I'm sure that someone would produce Leica M adapters for such system.

EF lenses are not going to provide the size savings people expect from wide/normal lenses though and would make them even longer, useful for macro/long tele/TSE perhaps but not the basis of a system.

Added to that are large appature AF zooms ever going to be compact enough to balance a mirrorless system? without them your dealing with a very different market, one that only currently exists in the very small/prenium M9.

Not saying such a market doesnt potentially exist but its clearly much more risky than mirrorless ASPC

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 18-45 f/3.5-5.6 Kit Lens for APS-C Mirrorless Patent
« on: February 22, 2012, 01:46:54 AM »
Does a short back focus distance merely reduce the size of the lens infront of the flange by the same amount or is there an extra benefit in lens size/IQ aswell?

Either way kit lens size does seem like its going to become one of the key battlegrounds for mirrorless, if Canon can bring a smaller one to the party along with the other innovations rivals have come up with then holding off release may proove to be a smart move. Collapsible zooms are one way to reduce size but only when the camera isnt in use and you lose the ability to manually zoom.

The problem with FF mirrorless is I'd guess that FF users are going to demand a much larger range of lenses, look at the problems Sony had with there FF DSLR in that reguard. With an ASPC mirrorless you really only need a normal zoom and a pancake prime to keep 95% of the market happy.

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EOS Bodies / Re: From NL: NDAs expiring on the 2nd of March
« on: February 22, 2012, 12:54:14 AM »
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this spec would be very nice and very much welcome for me but thinking of 61 pt. AF plus 6 fps I doubt this will happen as this will greatly affect the sales of 1dx. I recon  that if 61 pt AF will be put on the a 5d upgrade then we'll get a low fps with it.

Why not ? If you check: native ISO is half of 1D-X, FPS is half of 1D-X - so I doubt it would affect sales of 1D-X. Professional photogs (sports, wildlife, bird guys) need such high FPS and good-high-ISO body. And market for 1D-X  (as for all 1D series) is a lot smaller than for 5D Mk III (or whatever it will be).

Canon just can push the price a little higher - around 3000 USD (and no, this will not be competitor to D800 - it is a completly differnet camera). Prices for new 5D Mk II here in Slovakia are around 1800 € so I can imagine new one selling at 2500-2800 € with those specs.

Putting in such features like this pro AF and 6 FPS is wise:
- 7D users would be tempted because of high ISO capabilities and FF
- 5D Mk II users would be tempted because of pro AF, better high ISO and more FPS
- Canon would earn a lot of money, because such body will be selling like crazy (unless you want zilion Mpx)
- and introducing high Mpx body (a split in the line/new line) later will gain even more customers

That are my 0.02 cents.

I'd add that the 1DX seems more obviously focused on those sports, jurno, wildlife users than the 1Ds Mk3 was. The latters problem was I'd say that because it was also partly aimed at the studio/landscape market alot of those users didnt need its extra features so just bought a 5D mk2 instead.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Lack of information with announcement so close
« on: February 20, 2012, 06:40:32 AM »
The CR3 was for "the next month" wasnt it? we didnt get firm rumours about the the 1DX untill pretty close to the annoucement, same with the G1X.

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EOS Bodies / Re: *BUSTED* 5D Mark III & 5D X Specs?
« on: February 19, 2012, 04:09:26 PM »
It would seem to make more sense for the rumoured 22MP body to have some kind of 1Dish AF system considering the rest of its specs are reasonabley similar to that line.

A high megapixel body seems like it would be aimed mostly at landscape and studio use though so does it really need the same AF system? a smaller number of widely spaced and accurate rather than fast points seems like it would be better suited to such a camera.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Announcement Soon [CR3]
« on: February 18, 2012, 10:29:24 PM »
If the 4K body was this close to release then wouldnt it have made sense for Canon to show/tell more about it at the C300 launch? I got the impression that it was still some way away and was included only to counteract RED's release.

I been lurking this site for a while now and felt it's obvious that most aren't cinematographers/videographers because many don't understand the C300's purpose and feel that the 4k DSLR will be undercutting the C300. Which is understandable, these cameras are photography cameras first.

I finally took the time to register for the site (YAY!). I'm a filmmaker and I'm looking forward to the new 5D and the 4K DSLR camera.

The truth is the Canon C300's market is for Broadcast and professional event videos, not film. Sure it can easily be used for film and if you have it, I say use it for that as well (1080p is still dominate, and it's amazing in low light). However, the C300 is built around meeting the broadcast requirements not the needs of filmmakers. With that being said, the announcement in Hollywood truly confuses the audience. They should have announced it in a different way.

The 4k camera seems to be targeted towards filmmakers. I expect it to have a recording limit like our current DSLRs have. This isn't much of an issue for filmmakers because rarely is take 12 mins long. Most are under a minute or so. Films require more resolution than broadcasting (1080p).

Canon can justify both cameras being available. If I was mainly a wedding videographer I'll go with the C300 for its recording time, battery life, and for its impressive 1080p resolution (don't need 4k for weddings). For my films, I'll go with the 4K DSLR. Mainly for 4K (so we can have amazing resolution that allows you to sometimes be able to re-frame in post), 10-bit (Canon knows we want that) for color grading, and mobile form factor.

That's the way I see it. Loving the info you guys are providing. Keep it coming.

That was the impression I got, that the C300 was targeting the higher end of the TV market while a 4K DSLR would target the lower end of the film market at a lower price.

While it use might be quite limated at the moment 4K would give a Canon DSLR an edge on rivals the way HD gave the 5D mk2 the edge. The kind of amature who spends several thousand on a DSLR does seem like the kind of person who's likely to buy a 4K TV aswell to view family/holiday videos.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Announcement Soon [CR3]
« on: February 18, 2012, 01:02:00 PM »
I can't say I know much about the video side of things but might the 4K DSLR and the rumoured high megapixel 5D actually be the same thing? 44 megapixel downsampled to 4k?


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EOS Bodies / Re: Due for a letdown?
« on: February 18, 2012, 12:56:27 PM »
Letdowns do I'd say tend to come when hype goes beyond what a manifacturer needs to produce to remain competitive in a market. The 5D mk3/X rumours we've seen recently don't seem to do that to me, if Canon offers too much less than those stats then Nikon is going to have a clear advanatge this generation. The 28 megapixel, 8 FPS rumour seems more like a wishlist to me thats unlikely to be met.

As far as price goes I'd say consumer level DSLR's are a rather different beast to pro bodies and high end lenses, Canon has been happy to charge large amounts for the latter two but has generally tried to offer the best value for the former.

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EOS Bodies / Re: So.......
« on: February 18, 2012, 05:52:12 AM »
Given that Canon does seem to have lost a bit of an edge in lower end sales over the past year I wouldnt be shocked if they were to preview a new sensor in the T4i/650D. By going agenst conventional wisdom they'd potentially end up with a significant advanatge over there rivals in what is ultimately by far the largest SLR market.

On one hand you could argue that the 7D2/70D would miss out on some sales if the new sensor appeared in a lower end model from users who don't want better build/fps/af but on the other you could argue many current 7D/xxD users might buy a 650D in the short term just to use the new sensor then buy a higher end model they really want with the same sensor latter.
Downgrading other options all for a new sensor when those cameras already have a very good sensor in them?
Highly unlikely...

Depends on what your shooting, I can't image a 7D user buying a 650D to shoot sports but to shoot landscapes? certainly seems possible to me if the IQ was higher.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Announcement Soon [CR3]
« on: February 18, 2012, 03:37:51 AM »
If the 4K body was this close to release then wouldnt it have made sense for Canon to show/tell more about it at the C300 launch? I got the impression that it was still some way away and was included only to counteract RED's release.

I would not be supprized if we see both a high MP and high ISO 5D body annouced(if not released) at the same time, one less big annoucement its true but also a chance to send more people away happy and steal more of Nikon's thunder.

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EOS Bodies / Re: So.......
« on: February 18, 2012, 03:11:09 AM »
Given that Canon does seem to have lost a bit of an edge in lower end sales over the past year I wouldnt be shocked if they were to preview a new sensor in the T4i/650D. By going agenst conventional wisdom they'd potentially end up with a significant advanatge over there rivals in what is ultimately by far the largest SLR market.

On one hand you could argue that the 7D2/70D would miss out on some sales if the new sensor appeared in a lower end model from users who don't want better build/fps/af but on the other you could argue many current 7D/xxD users might buy a 650D in the short term just to use the new sensor then buy a higher end model they really want with the same sensor latter.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 5D Mark III/X Commercials Being Shot? [CR1]
« on: February 17, 2012, 03:15:15 AM »
</strong>Received some detailed information that 5D Mark III/X commercials are being shot in England and France. One film is about making a cinematic piece with the camera, the other is for Euro 2012.</p>

Start match of Euro 2012: 8th June
Final: 1st July

So now the question is - is that a teaser or trailer for it before release? Will the camera's be out in photographer's hands?

If it's just a teaser - then general release isn't for another 4-5 months.

It doesnt of course mean that the adverts need to be shown during or near euro 2012, if Canon has paid a significant amount for sponsorship rights then they'll probabley look to exploit them as much as possible even on products that come out well before the euros.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 5D Mark III/X Commercials Being Shot? [CR1]
« on: February 16, 2012, 01:07:47 PM »
So one is for 5dx and the other for 5d3? Cinema oriented commercial I understand for C product. But Euro2012? Another sport camera? Big fps, small MP etc.? Like small brother of 1dx? :)

If the 22mp rumour is correct then its certainly a camera with good potential for sports shooting, espeically if the 7D is phased out. Ultimately the 5D line is far more likely to benefit from advertsing and euro 2012 is the 2nd biggest sport event this year.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III/X Information [CR1]
« on: February 15, 2012, 08:43:06 AM »
Canon is a very conservative company. They will not be doing anything revolutionary in the 5DIII/X. For video they there's not much more they can do other than tweaking the CODEC to improve the quality. You can be certain that they will not offer a clean HDMI output.

Regarding the sensor it seems that Canon has not been making as much progress on per pixel quality as the Sony/Nikon sensors over the past few years. The pixel quality of the Nikon D7000, Sony NEX-7, and D800 are pretty darn good. The early reports are showing that the D800 is producing noise similar to a D700 which is insane considering the D800's 4.88um pixel pitch compared to the D700's 8.45um. Canon has gone on record to claim that the 1DX has a 2 stop improvement in noise, for JPEG only, and will not go on record to say anything about RAW. This 2 stop improvement is also comparing the 1DX's 6.95um pixel pitch to the 5.7um pitch of the 1DIV. One can reasonably assume that Canon has not drastically improved the QE of their pixels and/or read out noise.

The 22MP specs of the rumored new 5D seems consistent with Canon's conservative strategy. I would expect no more than a 0.5 stop improvement in noise and better AF. Although this seems like something that most people are happy with here's the problem. Canon is going to rape us on the price. Looking at their latest pricing strategy for their lenses I wouldn't be surprised if these modest 5D improvements will come at a very steep price increase.

It seems that Canon's executive management has changed strategy to focus more on improving profit margins rather than gaining market share. The best way to do this is to drastically increase prices. They probably figure that it's time to harvest the benefits of the fantastic market share gain they have earned over the past 5 years. Now that people are locked into the Canon system it's time to jack up the price.

This seems to be an arguement based on very little hard evidense, some claims about two cameras that have yet to find there way into many peoples hands that offer very different features(most obviously high ISO capabilities).

The main negative of Canon's position to me seems to be that because all there DSLR sensors are made in house they tend to see the light of day less often. In reality we've not seen a new design since the 7D 2 1/2 years ago so its really impossible to judge whether they've kept up with Nikon/Sony's more recent advancements or not.

The pricing and features are really a total unknown aswell,  of course the 5D mk2 lagged behind the D700 in AF and build but offered superior resolution and video. In terms of lenses Canon's prices seem very similar to Nikon's while in many cases(70-200's, looks like the new 24-70 aswell) offering superior performance.

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