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Just to be clear, I am only disappointed with the 5D III for landscapes and low ISO work.

Here's a link to a guy who's a hot topic on 500px at the moment, that CR members may enjoy seeing. Does he shoot D800 ? Does he shoot high ISO ?

The only noise comes from people complimenting his work.

I've said it before: knowing what to do with the files once they're off the camera is at least as important as what happens in the camera, and Jon is far from being an examplar of the part of the process that starts after the images have left the camera.

How can you even make a statement like that? You don't even know me, you've never seen how I process my files...

Well that's not quite true. You showed your individual frames that you then merged into an 'HDR' which demonstrated basic mistakes. I think Keith's remark is relevant.

No one is denying that there are not more technically advanced sensors than the ones Canon are using. The argument is in how far this 'older tech' really effects the final image, given all the processing options that are available.

Photography Technique / Re: Manual Focusing
« on: September 06, 2014, 09:07:19 AM »

I'd like to ask something about manual focusing those of you, who are experienced with this technique. I understand that, it's not a problem while shooting landscape on a tripod. But what, when the subject is not still? Is even possible to maintain the subject in focus in this case? I also understand that this would not be a big issue if shooting with an ultra-wide angle lens like 15 mm. In this case almost everything is in focus anyway.

I get this question now, when Zeiss is going to announce their 85mm f/1.4 lens. Whit this lens, DOF should be really shallow. Is even possible to shoot something handheld with this lens? Or even more extreme example: Is even possible to shoot handheld a moving subject?


Many action shots in the days of manual focus were 'zone focused' ie you focus on a predetermined point and then the action reaches that point you shoot. In those days a very shallow dof action shot was rare and potentially valuable, whereas now they are everywhere.

Tracking with manual focus is possible with practice and skill, but in reality requires a greater dof. If someone is going to shoot a manual 85/1.4 @ 1.4 without live view they are going to need an 's' screen and good eye sight to get even something that is stationary sharp, let alone moving.

EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: September 05, 2014, 08:13:58 AM »
Here's a challenge to anyone who feel they know their stuff: 
Meet me at a local brasserie.  I'll bring the stack of prints.  You bring your deep knowledge of "how things really are."  As I share my prints you tell me which camera and which lens made which image.

"All right. Where is the Exmor? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both mount and frame, and find out who is right... and who is dead."

"But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the Exmor into his own print or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the Exmor into his own print, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the print in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the print in front of me."

"You've made your decision then?"

"Not remotely. Because Exmor comes from Sony, as everyone knows, and Sony is entirely peopled with marketeers, and marketeers are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the print in front of you."

"Truly, you have a dizzying intellect."


And when your opponent lies vanquished on the floor, you Neuro will be accused have having used Exmor in both your prints...........

EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: September 04, 2014, 10:29:33 AM »
I just re-registered because of the imminent 7D MK2 announcement.

Oh no  :(

Troll B Gone at the ready........

Seems like the fanboys here want the forum all for themself.
And that´s why i deleted my former account. Nothing changed as it looks.
Still afraid of critizism.

Would be funny when the mass posters are not actually comming around a bit sad.

But as we can see in this thread as long as they are loyal canon Fanboys they can spam and do whatever they want.  ::)

You are completely overlooking the fact that many of us here on CR are fully conversant with not only the hallowed D800 but also far superior formats such as the S2 and 'real' MF film. Indeed until very recently one of my companies has been the UK agent for one of the best known large format cameras, with digital backs to match that probably cost more than you earn in a year.

So be careful who you call 'fanboys' lest you end up sounding like a t**t.

EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: September 04, 2014, 09:49:27 AM »
I just re-registered because of the imminent 7D MK2 announcement.

Oh no  :(

Troll B Gone at the ready........

EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: September 04, 2014, 02:44:49 AM »
Why has this made it to page 30?

Because there is an extremely high correlation between Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and frequency of internet postings.

Take some OCD, coupled with a matter of life and death, plus a lack of humour.... throw in some raging testosterone and keep the whole mixture simmering over a troll baited flame.... Add DR for seasoning.... and you get enough posts to choke the server.

Don Haines
Posts: 3084


And of those 3,084 posts, 3,083 have been cheerful, humorous, positive, constructive and/or peace-making. I'd say 3,084 were that way, but hey -- nobody's perfect.  :P

I was going to ask Mitch if he is experiencing Deja Moo... (The feeling that you have seen this bull before) :)

Unfocused: 2044 Posts. The only reason for posting this is to start one of those quote within a quote within a quote sequences that can look pretty cool when they get to about 20-30 quotes. Time to have some fun, demonstrate the absurdity of this thread and maybe break the Internet!

Neuroanatomist: just a few posts, really.

What? No one else wants to play?

I spy something with my little eye...

I can't, I am on a self imposed exile for a week or so. But, intriguingly enough, I have a friend coming to stay who has a D800 (shame it isn't an 810 or E though) and a 24-70 so I am hoping to do some comparison images for my own piece of mind.

What better to make of such a thread than a kaleidoscope....  :o

Good read to pass time... I wonder if the forum will eventually put a limit on how many levels you can quote, or run out of memory and crash...

Probably not—that's all just handled with CSS in your browser—but eventually it will probably get to the point where the innermost quoted message is only one character wide.  :D
That would be fun!

Not a Kaleidoscope, and not an Aneurysm, it's a Squirrel!

thank god...this will surely get this thread closed. please, please, please, please.....>.<

How many generations is this ?

Landscape / Re: Post Your Best Landscapes
« on: September 03, 2014, 03:42:38 PM »
Lake District Cumbria UK. Going there again soon.

Cheers Brian

Lovely shot. Is that Eagle Crag on the right, just beyond Rothswaite in Borrowdale ? If so where did you shoot from - Kings Howe with a 300mm ?

And are you still using your 5D ?

Hi Sporgon,

you are correct, it is Eagle Crag with Ullscarf on the left of the valley, but shot from not quite the top of Castle Crag with a 70-200.

And yes, still using the 5D.

Cheers Brian

Well I'd have never thought you're be able to get that foot of Eagle Crag from Castle Crag !

I still think the original 5D is a great landscape camera despite being 12.7 mp. Last year I shot a panoramic using both the 5D and a 650D that I had at the time. Although the 650D had more outright resolution the 5D files were far superior, with more definition.

Landscape / Re: Post Your Best Landscapes
« on: September 03, 2014, 03:20:07 PM »
Lake District Cumbria UK. Going there again soon.

Cheers Brian

Lovely shot. Is that Eagle Crag on the right, just beyond Rothswaite in Borrowdale ? If so where did you shoot from - Kings Howe with a 300mm ?

And are you still using your 5D ?

Quote from: llmogen link=topic=22479.msg432305#msg432305 date
The more people keep talking up Sony sensors in Nikon cameras, the more people start thinking that the sensor is the one part that's keeping them from becoming the next Ansel Adams.  The fact that we Canon-ites can entertain the idea of getting an A7 solidifes this fact. 

Very well put, quote of the week !

EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: September 03, 2014, 10:53:24 AM »
canon vs. nikon.

T. Northrup wants to switch to nikon but can’t fully.

ps: i did not watch it i just read some of the comments.
but i though some here are maybe interested. ;)

and it sure will keep the fire warm for a while.

Quote from: Robert Brody
I am a professional still shooter, so I go with what works best. Canon sensors are so far behind the D810 now that a few lenses at certain price points do not make for the winning system. Nikon is also being more aggressive as of late in sealing holes in the lens lineups over Canon. Also missing is the serious fact that Nikon's flash system is a lot nicer. At lower budgets picking what feels better is more important than anything else, but if you're serious about shooting Canon has a lot of sensor work to do before they can be taken seriously against the D810/D4s combo or D810/Df combo.

Quote from: Tony Northrup
I raved about the Nikon image quality and recommended it for everything in the medium focal range. The D810 slaughtered the 5D Mark III in our review. We totally agree about all of this.

This guy is so nauseating that I'm actually real glad he's knocking the Canon. He'd be a real Jonah on the Canon team.
I too haven't the patience to watch this one, and that's despite his attractive wife / partner or whatever she is.
I would just add in case she happens to read CR, if she wants to be shown how to use a canon properly I'm happy to oblige.

Landscape / Re: Beautiful sunsets
« on: September 03, 2014, 10:45:21 AM »
2x 4 shots manually blended. Both two sets were same, except in second 4 shots I put my hand in front of the sun to prevent the flare. (It almost worked)

Lovely picture, you seems to be knocking out some lovely atmospheric shors at the moment !

This really has me baffled.
85mm f1.8 @ f4, 1/1250. ISO 100
Shot on 5DII and 1100D. The crop camera down sampled to match 5D as that camera works out at about 8.5 mp when cropped and the 1100D is a 12 mp aps camera. Hand held, but had to resort to live view focusing as I couldn't believe the results.

100% crops from each camera.

Crop-A appears to have less dynamic range / poor shadow detail.

What can't you beleive about the results?

I remember being able to see the difference in resolution between an eight mp APS camera and a twelve mp, but in this instance when comparing 8.5 of the 5DII against the 12 of APS there is no appreciable difference.

Don't read too much into shadow detail etc, the cameras were not identically matched.

(People here seem to have missed the fact that I'm only complaining about the 5D III's low ISO performance and noise characteristics. The amount of misrepresentation of my position on this whole subject is staggering, but I guess that's how people react when someone tries to reveal any amount of truth about the REAL quality of Canon sensors at low ISO. Instead of acceptance, denial. Instead of discussion, it's outright hostility or a bunch of crude jokes. Canon sensors suck balls at low ISO, compared to the norm's just the simple truth of the matter. It may not affect everyone's work, but it doesn't change the facts.)

You'd better e mail this guy and tell him how misguided he is then:

Or better still ask for a little advice:

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Guessing Game- Canon or Nikon?
« on: September 02, 2014, 01:27:26 PM »
This seems a suitable thread for the next round of my travel quiz, today based on photos I took this afternoon.

Photo 1.
What is the guy doing?

Photo 2.
What deep question is he pursuing?

Photo 3. Where do these gate lead if he gets the wrong answer?

What camera am I using and where?

I think it's pretty clear to me:

Photo 1: Looking at two cameras
Photo 2: which do I choose, Canon or Nikon ?
Photo 3: Hell

Or, if the guy's a DRone it could be:

Photo 1: Looking at a picture he's shot on a 5DIII
Photo 2: Where's all that noise come from ?
Photo 3: Ridicule

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