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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D3 No Longer in Production
« on: August 18, 2014, 08:36:43 AM »
The absence of a new lower end APS-C camera (xx0D) makes for interesting speculation that they've held off releasing a new camera because they realise there's no point in making it as the 7DII will make it seem irrelevant.


You realize that the best selling Canon camera is the T3.... and that it outsells every other camera Canon makes combined! This is because you can get the camera and lens CHEAP!. Apparently, for the masses, cheap beats IQ hands down...

So somehow a 7D2, probably for $2500 WITHOUT a lens is going to somehow mean that there will be no more demand for a $400 camera with lens, when price seems to be the dominant market force for the masses?

Are you sure of your logic?

You guys just don't know how to deal with a petulant, rather retarded child, do you ?

The 7DII is a big camera that is going to cost-a-lot-of-money, and the xxxD is a little camera that does not cost-as-much-money.

Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 18, 2014, 06:36:07 AM »
All i care about is images ... And i know, i cannot get such images with the 7D or the EOS-M and also not with a Canon 6D or 5D3 or 1D-X.

Then why do I see similar images from those cameras all the time? Browse a photo sharing site some time.

Well, I have shot myself and seen enough images from all sorts of current Canon EOS cameras ... and NONE of them can deliver these kind of images out of cam / without REALLY HEAVY post processing.
Exceptional dynamic range, from the bright window to the deep shadows with no noise and smooth tonal trasition. No fill was added to this severely back lit shot.

You have got to joking :o

Technical Support / Re: 5D mk2 wont turn on and off
« on: August 17, 2014, 06:39:18 AM »
sorry but isn´t this the wrong forum for this?

Why ?

Why shouldn't someone with a problem with Canon equipment seek advice from the Canon community on CR ? There's a lot of experience here.

When the mirror fell out of my 5D I asked if anyone had tried fixing it themselves.

(OK so the best answer was ' you now have the FF mirrorless that everyone is waiting for' but what the hell  ;). )

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D3 No Longer in Production
« on: August 17, 2014, 06:33:07 AM »
Sounds a load of cobblers to me. The 5DIII is such a well received and successful camera the only thing that could result in a premature replacement is if the new 7DII has a radically improved sensor technology.

Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 17, 2014, 06:25:26 AM »
By downsizing, you are lowering the noise floor - and voila, DR gets improved too.

In practice, you will see this as cleaner shadows in the downsized image.
So, downsizing has practical value too; it's not just a synthetic measure that DxO uses
(even though DxO's normalized DR is in fact synthetic).

But this isn't dynamic range, it's latitude, and these two are confused, especially when comparing Canon vs Sony Exmor. The actual dynamic range is not as dramatically different as the Exmor missionaries like to champion, but the Exmor does have considerably more latitude in the extreme low lights. However most of us never have a need to lift low lights to the extent it becomes a problem with Canon.

So I would say down sampling does have a slight advantage in latitude, but this has nothing to do with dynamic range.

And a further point: the latitude of the latest Canon FF sensors is significantly better than the older tech, even at base ISO, so those that say there has been no improvement in 'IQ' at base ISO of Canon FF are, IMO, wrong.

I can't speak for the 5DIII because I only have very limited experience with that camera, but the 6D has as much more latitude over the 5DII as the 5DII has over the original 5D.

EOS Bodies / Re: popup-flash - made a "pro feature"?
« on: August 16, 2014, 09:51:44 AM »

P.S. This is just my opinion and I have no problems with people finding a valid use for the popup flash. If you think it is absolutely critical to your work then I'll respect your point of view on the matter.

Fortunately it is the same opinion as many others - including Canon  ;)

I'm putting money on the 7DII not having one.

Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 16, 2014, 09:44:57 AM »
I owned a 650D for a short time that had the touch screen. I sold the camera pretty quick because the overall package didn't suit me at all, but the touch screen worked well, complementing the physical buttons. I had the usual touch screen issues such as use with gloves, not working if the camera was warm and my hands very cold, then being slow to adjust back to physical menu after being used to touch screen. Greasy screen no big deal, wipes away real quick.

I think the touch screen will eventually make it's way to pro orientated camera as a compliment to the physical controls- unlike pop up flash. If it is not included in the 7DII there will be a valid reason for its omission I'm sure.

Not sure about the aircraft cockpit analogy. There isn't the same momentum of sales drive to a massive audience in aircraft. Also all pilots are trained and the many who fly commercially are obviously (hopefully !) professionals. If the only people who used dslr cameras were genuine full time professionals I wonder where the dslr would be now in its development ? Probably still at the 1D / D2 stage, as professionals are notorious for finding a piece of equipment that does the job for them and then staying with it.

What I am going to find interesting is price / spec combination because it will give an insight into how secure the likes of Canon are with their FF premium mark up, and if we are unlikely to see FF coming down in price. Assuming the rumoured specs are anything like correct, if it is priced at about the 6D then Canon are very confident in the FF advantage. However if it's much more expensive then they clearly are not.

Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 15, 2014, 04:13:19 PM »
although it does seem the 5DIII's bottom plate may be steel (it's a different finish than the rest of the frame, at any rate).

The 5DIII's bottom plate is stainless steel. This is precisely the sort of hidden quality touch you have from Canon. ( Look at the bottom of cameras that have had extensive pro use from guys who really just treat their gear as a tool and probably haven't paid for it themselves). Stainless steel will be much more expensive to mould and fit than an alloy. Judging by the rumours I guess the 7DII may have one too.

Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 15, 2014, 03:29:38 PM »
The 5D series, however, has a stainless steel chassis...

So Canon's own image on the Canon USA page for the 5DIII is just a flat out lie?

Not a lie, but it's showing the magnesium shell.  That shell is attached to a composite/stainless steel skeleton whereas the Nikon has a magnesium skeleton throughout.  The lens mount, for example, is mounted to the composite mirror box.  My suspicion is that the shell is largely structural, especially around the mount area as there's a lip on the lens mount that mates with the magnesium shell, but I don't have any good way to demonstrate that without taking my 5D3 apart.  If you read Roger's article you can see how it's all put together.

I think your premise here is that the Nikon has the lens mount fitted to the outer shell whereas the Canon has it fitted to the internal chassis. I bet there is a reason for Canon to fix it to the chassis, possibly accuracy, after all the sensor is fitted to the chassis, not the outer shell. I would very much doubt that a D800 is built 'internally' to the same standard as a 4D, and my experience with the Nikon 'prosumer' grade of camera is that they are not inherently built to the same standard as the equivalent Canon, in fact I'm fairy convinced they are a cheaper unit, and the mount affixed directly to the chassis may be part of this.

The 7D was quite a surprise in that it was a significant upgrade in build from the 5DII ( if you ignore the hideous plastic pop up flash). The 5DIII redressed the balance being closer to the 1D series with only a relatively small increase in cost, so it will be interesting to see how much further the 7DII takes the build quality forward.

Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 15, 2014, 12:34:03 PM »
The Nikon D800 (and I think D300s) have the same internal build quality as the 1D/D4 type cameras, aside from the improved sealing.

What's your source for this information ?

Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 15, 2014, 12:31:20 PM »
I tend to agree with Neuro that the "1D build quality" may not mean what some people think it does. It might exceed the 5DIII, but I just don't think there is enough of a market for a $3,000 APS-C camera to justify the kind of bombproof construction the 1D series is noted for. (Unless of course, I'm seriously overestimating the cost of producing 1DX build quality – perhaps it's not as much of a cost factor as I think, given modern production technology.)

The Nikon D800 (and I think D300s) have the same internal build quality as the 1D/D4 type cameras, aside from the improved sealing.  I doubt that it adds all that much to the production cost.
Is it feasible that it could be called an EOS 4D ???

Previously on this forum, it's been stated no, because of the negative connotation of the number four in Japanese culture.  Of course, that didn't stop Nikon...

But perhaps gave credence to the Japanese belief  ;)

I think it will be interesting to see how the combination of specification and price shed light on how confident Canon are with the FF premium.

I still think the RRP will be the same as, or notionally lower than the 6D, with a camera that is as well spec'd to day as the 7D was for its day. Didn't Canon introduce the now ubiquitous 18mp sensor in the 7D. Maybe they will use this model to introduce another sensor that five years time will make it to the cheapest dslr.

Just a thought; was the Sony Exmor first implemented as a APS size sensor ?

Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 15, 2014, 08:31:39 AM »
EOS 1 style top plate = no pop up flash ?  :)  :D

Lenses / Re: 6D+70-300 DO *vs* 70D+55-250 STM
« on: August 15, 2014, 05:31:37 AM »
The 70-300DO has two advantages: firstly it is very compact, and secondly it sells for less than half it's new price used. Agree with those that say it responds to unsharp mask. It's weak at the 70mm mark and that is where the 70-300 non L is actually very good - unlike the rest of that lens's range where the performance is quite dire.

Can't imagine anyone buying a DO new when it is the same price as the 70-300L.

Lenses / Re: Image quality with or without filters
« on: August 15, 2014, 04:58:44 AM »
Agree with those that say a good quality one has no adverse effect apart from flare, but as I shoot into the light a lot I don't use them, unless I'm in a really aggressive environment. The multi coatings of these lenses are really tough.

Reviews / Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« on: August 14, 2014, 10:45:07 AM »
These sort of reviews always follow the same pattern. The Canon is underexposed so the data is a little dense. Then they lift heavy shadow low lights to mid tone. Voila ! Job done.

Working in the wrong AF mode.  ??? or more probably  ::) Or from their point of view  :-[

It's all about not working with the 5DIII.

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