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Landscape / Re: Sunset landscape
« on: November 05, 2013, 11:37:34 AM »
Agree, the flare detracted from the image.

Nice one Mr Bean.

Which point?

Do I really have to explain? Then I do it really slowly, so you may understand.

A says: "I wish my D800s had this kind of control setup."
B answers: "Interesting that you would change your 36mp D800 for a 16mp DF."

B's answer has nothing to do with A's statement.

Scenario 1: B is simply mentally disabled, and does not understand A. In this case, I really sorry.
Scenario 2: B is so frustrated by something, that he overlooks statements including the D800, and tries to form an answer which proves the camera's utter uselessness, even if doing so is irrelevant or meaningless.

That was my point.

The sad thing that these scenarios may also apply to our conversation.

B here.

A actually wrote: The Df will Dfinitely have to seduce me with the ergonomics and overall feel to make me trade a D800 for it tho

C simply made a quotation out of context, or just the wrong quotation, or maybe was just on the wrong forum.

D pointed out a few salient facts which C took offence to.

Scenario 1: B is simply mentally disabled, - Guilty as charged: B frequents a forum where C is a member.

Scenario 2: B is so frustrated by something,  Correct, B was a Nikon shooter for 25 years and is greatly saddened to see the b******s that Nikon is making with its FF cameras.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Rumor: Nikon Digital FM2 - Retro look
« on: November 05, 2013, 04:26:15 AM »
I would guess the D4 sensor could be cheaper as it was developed in house as opposed to being a Sony.

Maybe they havent sold as many D4s as forecast and have some spare sensors in stock...........

Agreed; the D4 is about speed and convenience. A Press camera really.

The specs are reasonably impressive.
Excellent number of shots from a small battery.
I wish my D800s had this kind of control setup.
And it's LIGHT!  This gets a bit closer to the feel of an old film body just for the reduced weight.
The Df will Dfinitely have to seduce me with the ergonomics and overall feel to make me trade a D800 for it tho, I typically do not need great high ISO performance.
I think this is going to be a polarizing product, love it or hate it.  I think there'll be enough of the former to make it a worthwhile product.
Canon might even copy it. ;)

Interesting that you would change your 36mp D800 for a 16mp DF. More living proof that Nikon really missed the mark with a 36mp sensor.

Hmmmm, well - it's certainly expensive, and a few modern Nikonisms just to assure us the correction on the logo doesn't go that deep. Compatible with all older manual lenses; good. No interchangeable screen ? Bad. I mean come on, even the 6D has interchangeable screens and it's not specifically aimed at manual lenses.

The lack of this is because it requires mechanical components and that equals high manufacturing costs. So no mechanical mirror lock up etc.  But given the price of this camera it should have had them. 6D with Zeiss is a better bet than DF with non Ai.

Well I made my prediction on the other thread about the DF before seeing the pictures, and I recon I've got it right. Impossible to say without using one, but  I guess the physical controls could work well.

Nikon finally getting their ducks in a row; I think this camera will be a great success for them. 

And they've finally put the logo right again after years of it looking wind swept - or drunk.  ;)

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Rumor: Nikon Digital FM2 - Retro look
« on: November 04, 2013, 05:14:44 AM »
Here's my take on it: the DF will  be the most successful Nikon FF camera to date.

Forget the 'Retro" label, that's just Nikon trying to avoid eating humble pie over it's years of dreadful design. The DF isn't going to be that different to a 6D apart from the addition of a physical shutter speed dial. OK, maybe no video, so what ? Of all the people I know who have dslrs and are not specifically videographers or movie makers, non have used the video function after the initial 'wow look at this fantastic quality video' effect has worn off, and they revert back to the camcorder that is much more suited to video of the kids.

I always said that ever since Nikon changed the logo to make it look as if it had had one too many, Nikon lost the plot with their cameras, trying to have all bases covered to suit anybody and everybody. They've finally realised that the vast majority of FF users do not want pop up flash, they want sound ergonomics in a sensibly sized quality body, producing the highest possible perceived IQ, and a 16 mp sensor is going to work just great for that. They want a crystal clear OVF with no translucent LCD murking the image up which Nikon have been doing for years, and even Canon joined that game with the 5D3 and 7D. ( Yes wait for the 5D4, it will loose the translucent crap and have interchangeable screens ). If Nikon are talking about 'pure' photography I can't see this camera having a hybrid viewfinder as this must reduce the OVF quality.

Price wise I guess this will be more expensive than the D610 ( or maybe it will be the D620 by the time the DF is launched ) as it will be a higher quality product, made in Japan instead of farmed out to cheaper countries as so much of the rest of Nikon gear is.

If Nikon have finally managed to get their designs back on track they may have something worth having, like the original FM, at the time of its introduction called 'the worst Nikon ever' by some trade press, yet went on the become the most enduring designed slr in the history of cameras.

Here's a shot of mine. It was the first camera I ever bought new, and despite the fact that I went on the use FM2, FE2 and F3s I never had the heart to sell this one !

Macro / Re: Denizens of the Forest Floor
« on: November 03, 2013, 05:42:58 PM »
Mushrooms of some variety!  They're like little Umbrella Mushrooms!  ::)

Nice capture Ken. Marasmius ?

Lenses / Re: 135 F1.8L IS
« on: November 02, 2013, 01:54:20 PM »
I love the 135 f2 for indoor volleyball - IQ, focal length and AF performance are 'just right'. For sports, the IS isn't really needed, but I certainly agree that for theater and live performance, this would be great - as well as any other low light portrait opportunities. I would pay a few $K for such a lens. Still, the current 135 is very nice - attached photo = 1Dx, ISO 8000, f2, 1/1000.

Great shot, lovely girl !

Portrait / Re: 300mm B&W Portrait
« on: November 01, 2013, 05:41:16 PM »
You've definitely got a good eye for a picture !

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Sample Images
« on: November 01, 2013, 01:57:16 PM »
Had a look over some of these images and it just confirms my thoughts that this lens is aimed at bringing the success of the 24-105 zoom range to Nikon and Sony, 'cos it doesn't look like it will replace the Canon version.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: "Downgrading" for a very specific reason
« on: November 01, 2013, 01:41:34 PM »

Here is a good read:

Proof that you haven't the foggiest idea what PBD is talking about.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Dynamic range Nikon/Sony vs Canon
« on: November 01, 2013, 08:27:07 AM »

 I have read DXO

DXO are French. Explains everything.  ;)

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: "Downgrading" for a very specific reason
« on: November 01, 2013, 07:12:00 AM »

 (cue the New Seekers and "I'd like to teach the world to sing")  ;)


You're showing your age !

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: "Downgrading" for a very specific reason
« on: November 01, 2013, 05:47:14 AM »

I think what you have proofed here is that at least one of the DXo measurements is a load of b******s, and is misleading when taken out of context with all the other characteristics of the sensor.

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