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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Sending my 7D2 back due to high ISO noise
« on: November 20, 2014, 03:14:42 PM »
but again I found myself learning the painful lesson of cropped sensors.

This is why I'm telling myself not to fall into the 7D2 trap as I did previously with the 7D. If you are really discerning, and used to full frame quality, there's no 'budget' option to get good quality 'reach' I'm affraid.

I bet the 7DII is a better contender for 'reach advantage' than the original 7D was. To realise potential resolution you need the capable optics, pixels, light, magnification, stability. The trouble with the 'crop sensor for reach' is that you only gain one of these; pixels. Everything else remains unchanged. The improved sensor of the 7DII with higher QE might make better use of its 20 mp, assuming all other factors are efficient.

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Landscape / Re: Alaska mountains
« on: November 20, 2014, 03:02:38 PM »
The Moose's Tooth massif from the great Gorge of the Ruth Glacier. The gorge here is about a mile deep.  The really amazing part is the ice at this spot has been measured at 3700 feet deep!

T

Some great shots. I agree B&W looks really good when done well, which it has been here. A wonderful knife edge arête in the first picture. I have some 35mm trannies of traversing Crib Goch in North Wales during heavy snow. Must get round to scanning them, though North Wales is hardly Alaska, but then the pubs are much closer at hand when you get down.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 7DII lightmeter on top LCD.
« on: November 17, 2014, 02:40:40 AM »
Don't believe the 7DII misses the top exposure scale in normal modes. Are you sure you're not in one of the auto ISO modes that's removing the scale ?

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Landscape / Re: Beautiful sunsets
« on: November 11, 2014, 05:19:09 PM »
Sporgon,
Your photos really highlight this thread.  And I'm not slighting all the other contributors here.  All photos published here are great and wonderful.
But Sporgon's just have an ethereal quality to the sunset that make me warm and fuzzy inside (why in the world do I say that??? ;D), and I really want to go to my own sunset in that kind of scene! 8)
I'll try to learn to get this effect in my photos in the future, what an inspiration!
-r

Thanks Lion Rock.
Nice image, Sporgon. Is that your neck of the woods, or are you a music tourist?

 ;D  Thanks Nancy, are you referring to Benjamin Britten ? No I don't live near there, I'm in the North of England, and I'm afraid that Benjamin Britten is about the last composer I would travel to either listen to or haunt his local. Hope he wasn't a relative of yours ! My dislike probably stems from doing a Britten opera at school, Noye's Fludde, and it was just - well, noise !

If you are familiar with Aldeburgh I did a few panoramics which have been lost to filing and never used, so I'll show them here for you. They are actually sunrises but still in the spirit of the thread. The stainless steel shell sculpture caused a lot of controversy with the locals apparently. It has cut into it some of the lyrics from Britten's Peter Grimes: " I hear those voices that will not be drowned". I presume it is a memorial to both Britten and those that have lost their lives at sea working out of the fishing town.

You are outdoing yourself, Sporgon!
That shell is a true work of art. I hope you make money on shots like these - you deserve it.

Thanks Domino.

I got this effect by under exposing the sunrise and filling the steel shell with a touch of flash.

( I don't know where these red links have come from in my posts. I didn't put them there and they do not link to my work).

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Landscape / Re: Beautiful sunsets
« on: November 11, 2014, 11:43:17 AM »
Nice image, Sporgon. Is that your neck of the woods, or are you a music tourist?

 ;D  Thanks Nancy, are you referring to Benjamin Britten ? No I don't live near there, I'm in the North of England, and I'm afraid that Benjamin Britten is about the last composer I would travel to either listen to or haunt his local. Hope he wasn't a relative of yours ! My dislike probably stems from doing a Britten opera at school, Noye's Fludde, and it was just - well, noise !

If you are familiar with Aldeburgh I did a few panoramics which have been lost to filing and never used, so I'll show them here for you. They are actually sunrises but still in the spirit of the thread. The stainless steel shell sculpture caused a lot of controversy with the locals apparently. It has cut into it some of the lyrics from Britten's Peter Grimes: " I hear those voices that will not be drowned". I presume it is a memorial to both Britten and those that have lost their lives at sea working out of the fishing town.

You are outdoing yourself, Sporgon!
That shell is a true work of art. I hope you make money on shots like these - you deserve it.

Many thanks Domino. Sorry I meant to reply to your kind comments about the Hay Wain picture. I'm pleased you like it because that lighting really appeals to me too. It is very different to the panoramic produced for National Trust, but then those pictures are really meant to show people the place and (hopefully) make them want to visit, rather than being 'artistic'.

Never made anything on the Aldeburgh pictures, but didn't expect to. Went there after Flatford. It's very difficult to make anything on landscape pictures unless they are specifically commissioned. Digital has inevitably devalued photography in a monitory sense, and raised expectations in an aesthetic sense.

And many thanks to rpt too !

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Landscape / Re: Beautiful sunsets
« on: November 11, 2014, 11:11:33 AM »
Nice image, Sporgon. Is that your neck of the woods, or are you a music tourist?

 ;D  Thanks Nancy, are you referring to Benjamin Britten ? No I don't live near there, I'm in the North of England, and I'm afraid that Benjamin Britten is about the last composer I would travel to either listen to or haunt his local. Hope he wasn't a relative of yours ! My dislike probably stems from doing a Britten opera at school, Noye's Fludde, and it was just - well, noise !

If you are familiar with Aldeburgh I did a few panoramics which have been lost to filing and never used, so I'll show them here for you. They are actually sunrises but still in the spirit of the thread. The stainless steel shell sculpture caused a lot of controversy with the locals apparently. It has cut into it some of the lyrics from Britten's Peter Grimes: " I hear those voices that will not be drowned". I presume it is a memorial to both Britten and those that have lost their lives at sea working out of the fishing town.

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Landscape / Re: Beautiful sunsets
« on: November 11, 2014, 10:57:27 AM »
In the spirit of our under exposed sunset theme I gave one of my Alde boat pictures a darker curve and then brushed back the boats.

I think it has improved it actually.

I love the reflection.  Beautiful.

Many thanks Click, Aglet & Lion Rock.
Sporgon,
Willie Lotte's Cottage is so beautiful, idyllic ...  I could live there and die there, and be happy!
You shot a wonderful photo with all the right mood.
-r

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Thanks Don and Click. Don , you are right. Under exposure can be very effective in these types of scene. In fact I tried re doing my picture from Flatford Mill - Willie Lott's Cottage where Constable painted his most famous picture; 'The Hay Wain', using some lesser exposed frames, and I think it gives a picture with good atmos.  ( It is a sunset after all).
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Yes it is a very beautiful, peaceful place and has been well preserved by National Trust. It's not that dissimilar now to how it was when Constable's father owned the mill. except that the pond where he painted the horses and cart - The Hay Wain - is now about two feet deeper than it was two hundred years ago because that part of England is sinking !

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Landscape / Re: Beautiful sunsets
« on: November 10, 2014, 05:58:55 PM »
In the spirit of our under exposed sunset theme I gave one of my Alde boat pictures a darker curve and then brushed back the boats.

I think it has improved it actually.

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When will I leave you alone? When you stop making what I see as outlandish or farcical claims that you either can't illustrate, make no difference to the actual images people shoot, or when you stop mistaking example Canon images for Exmor ones! I am not out to antagonise you, indeed you have sought out this contretemps, I have said I see myself a bit of a balance to some of the sillier claims (8"x10" prints) and to add a little to a few other threads.

You forgot to mention the bit about citing (blatantly) multiple exposure D800 pictures exhibited on 500px, as single frame exposures.........

Now that jrista has actually used an Exmor based camera in the field he must realise that he was wrong on this front, but hasn't admitted it........yet.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: I took the cheap road to FF
« on: November 10, 2014, 04:22:06 PM »
If your new 5D has the serial number beginning with either a 2 or a 3 then it will have had the mirror modification done whilst being assembled at the factory. These later ones also had a (slightly) improved rear LCD screen.

OOC jpegs are nothing like as good as the latest models, best to always shoot in RAW. It is capable of producing images well on par with the latest kit, but it is a light hungry camera; when shooting in low light it is best to over expose slightly, highlights allowing, and bring down in post. Maybe this is something to do with it having a QE of about 27%.

Regarding dust, here is part of a (small jpeg) frame on my 5D. The latest in camera sensor cleaning is so good .... now !

Check that the AF is accurate with very fast lenses wide open. There is no micro adjust, and mine was never quite right after dropping the camera.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7D Mark II - Finally using Canon's newer fab?
« on: November 10, 2014, 08:59:27 AM »
I don't think sensor QE tells us much. Consider the following Nikon camera models:

Camera    QE
D3   90%
D3X   42%
D3s   57%
D4   52%
D4s   52%
D610   51%
D800   56%
D810   47%

Just goes to show, the further the measurement moves away from actual best processed images, the less interesting and relevant the metric becomes. D810 9% less than the D800 and 12% less the the 7D MkII.

That's nothing: we should all be still using Nikon D70s, QE two hundred and something percent !

I'm not convinced on how this quantum efficiency is calculated using SNR.  I have both the 5DII ( QE 31 %) and 6D ( 49%) and am struggling to see how this is relevant in practice. Perhaps in low light there is an advantage in over exposing the 5DII slightly compared with the 6D, but it's unclear. I presume that if enough photons have been retained by the pixel to record a 100% accuracy and converted to an appropriate charge, that is all that matters: once it's 100% accurate it doesn't matter what percentage it was of the total available.

I guess that as QE goes up ( in the way it is calculated) the sensor can withstand less exposure, but this doesn't necessarily relate to pushing under exposure. This then also allows more acceptable results at higher ISOs. That also matches the characteristics of the 5DII and 6D.

However I do often look back at images from the Nikon D70 that I had - replaced it with a D200 - and think 'that D70 was a damn fine camera'.

Just a bit of additional information: I believe the 'equivalent QE' of film was in the region of 10%.


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Landscape / Re: Beautiful sunsets
« on: November 09, 2014, 02:00:36 PM »
There seems to be a panache here on CR for under exposed sunsets so here's one of mine: swans on the River Stour as evening falls.

Beautiful picture.

I think that sunsets are a subject that if you expose properly for, with lots of DR and shadow detail, suck! Photographed like yours is, there is a mood, a serenity.... it would be lost otherwise.

Thanks Don and Click. Don , you are right. Under exposure can be very effective in these types of scene. In fact I tried re doing my picture from Flatford Mill - Willie Lott's Cottage where Constable painted his most famous picture; 'The Hay Wain', using some lesser exposed frames, and I think it gives a picture with good atmos.  ( It is a sunset after all).

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Landscape / Re: Beautiful sunsets
« on: November 08, 2014, 10:25:46 AM »
Couple of sunset shots from the River Alde in South Eastern England. Both with 5DII, one with 40mm pancake, the other with 50/f1.4

I quite like the one with the totally glassy water

Thanks Aglet. There seems to be a panache here on CR for under exposed sunsets so here's one of mine: swans on the River Stour as evening falls.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7D Mark II Owners first thoughts
« on: November 08, 2014, 08:30:14 AM »
The OP of this thread is apparently a UK resident and received his new camera on 29th October(?).

I'm also in Britain, and as far as I can tell none of the major resellers have stock yet. Is this another example of Rip-Off Britain? When I finally get my camera I will have to pay about 30% more than the US price, and in the USA they get their kit weeks before we do!

I could, apparently, order from DigitalRev in Hong Kong, who have them in stock, and I'd receive my camera in about five days and pay £200 less than buying from a reputable UK dealer who buys through the Canon UK distribution channel. Does anyone have a view on whether it's worth sticking with Canon UK distribution, or saving money and getting my camera quicker by ordering from DigitalRev?

Dale Photographic in Leeds have them in stock; £1,599.00

(They also keep getting in surprisingly large amounts of used D600 and D610s)  :)

You're right - they've had them in stock about a week, although every other dealer is still waiting for theirs and apparently they don't have a confirmed date when they'll get them either. So I asked Dale why, and their answer is that they have a very good relationship with Canon, and they ordered 'quite a lot of them'. I'll be ordering from Dale on Monday (they only open 'till 12:30 on Saturdays) and will expect to receive my camera on Tuesday.

I try to get gear from Dale Photographic when I can, have done over the past thirty years, and got the 6D + 24-70 f4 IS from them as they were the only ones in the country to do that as a 'kit', priced accordingly. They are always competitive on price with the likes of WEX. Worth supporting, they are a helpful outfit.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7D Mark II Owners first thoughts
« on: November 07, 2014, 05:25:13 PM »
The OP of this thread is apparently a UK resident and received his new camera on 29th October(?).

I'm also in Britain, and as far as I can tell none of the major resellers have stock yet. Is this another example of Rip-Off Britain? When I finally get my camera I will have to pay about 30% more than the US price, and in the USA they get their kit weeks before we do!

I could, apparently, order from DigitalRev in Hong Kong, who have them in stock, and I'd receive my camera in about five days and pay £200 less than buying from a reputable UK dealer who buys through the Canon UK distribution channel. Does anyone have a view on whether it's worth sticking with Canon UK distribution, or saving money and getting my camera quicker by ordering from DigitalRev?

Dale Photographic in Leeds have them in stock; £1,599.00

(They also keep getting in surprisingly large amounts of used D600 and D610s)  :)

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