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It's also fascinating how the trolls always have something.

First it was DR.  Now it's 4k.  Next it'll be... ? 

IBIS and Eye AF should now top the list, but in the near future it will be 6K and disproportionately higher fps.  Sony is dramatically overspec'ing their fps vs the market right now:  12 fps in the D810/5D space, 20 fps in the D5/1DX space, etc. 

- A
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Reviews / Re: PhotoZone Review: Sigma 12-24mm f/4 HSM DG ART
« Last post by jolyonralph on Today at 01:32:34 PM »
Distortion at 12mm is pretty awful, at least compared to the Laowa 12mm f/2.8
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It's also fascinating how the trolls always have something.

First it was DR.  Now it's 4k.  Next it'll be... ?  But there's always something that Canon doesn't do that means their products suck, are crippled and nerfed, and Canon is doomed and losing to Sony, Nikon, Fuji, and Pana, even though they aren't.
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I am certainly not a troll, but I sure am a broken record on what I'd like to see:

  • Please update the 50 f/1.4 USM and keep it small
  • No fast USM lenses for EF-M = I will never buy an EF-M rig
  • Healthcare Spot metering at any AF point is a human right fair expectation for a rig that costs north of $2000

But I don't tantrum about it, imply those who disagree are bad people / unintelligent, etc., and I certainly post helpful / positive / chatty / fuel the discussion sort of content when I am not going to those wells above.

- A

The bolded bit makes all the difference...
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The damage would be obvious and speedy, and may well be bigger than what Sony, Fuji and Panasonic are chipping off from Canon's market share.

Except that Sony has been losing market share to Canon, and Fuji and Panasonic's ILC market shares are small enough to be irrelevant.  Which pretty much invalidates your argument.

Which I'd like to see, at least a bit. Just to wake up the sleeping beauty/dragon/whatever. Competition and racing is always good for the customer. Look at Intel for example. They had a decade of basically very incremental upgrades and amazing profits. But they slept on their laurels perhaps a bit too long and let themselves be a bit surprised with Ryzen/Epyc offerings of AMD. I know that this comparision is not very precise as camera world is much more diverse than just two brands. But still, I think you get my point.

It's quite an apt analogy.  Much better than, for example, all those who shout KODAK...NOKIA on these forums.  While those two companies are examples of failure to predict/react to a paradigm shift, that's not happing in the ILC industry now.  Rather, the situation is as you describe for CPU chips – incremental changes.  How's Intel doing now?  Did AMD 'surprise' offerings spell doom for Intel, or did Intel react?  Personally, I don't follow the CPU market, but I will say it's been a long time since I've seen a computer without an 'Intel Inside' sticker on it. 

But for some reason, a small subset of people here on CR (who some may call 'trolls', and not without reason), assume that Canon will not react if necessary, and thus that Canon is doomed.  Like 5 years ago, when Sony's/Nikon's better low ISO DR and Canon's 'horrible' fixed pattern noise (that was soooo evident when you pushed shadows >3 stops) meant Canon was doomed.  The thing is, as you correctly point out, the market isn't forcing Canon to react, the market is rewarding Canon for their choices.  Still, how is Canon's low ISO DR now?  Well, the 80D has better low ISO DR than the Nikon D5...and the Sony A9 has noise at low ISO.  And Canon was and remains the market leader.

OT: Problem with AMD is, that even it's currently offering much better price/performance ratio (and finally caught up with Intel on the single-core field - well, almost) it can't threaten Intel that much. Reason? Manufacturing capabilities - better lack of thereof.

I'm not flogging Canon for this and that, actually I'm quite happy with 6D (as a hobbyist, not a pro OFC) and some L lenses. My gripe is, when Canon becomes too much dominant, innovation and progress goes out of the window. Still, DPAF looks very good and with combination of Vari-Angle LCD on 6D2, I'm pretty much sold on that camera. That is, unless some major design flaw occurs - I'm definitely waiting for reviews, not preordering :-)

I really don't get when people say innovation and progress go out the window.  Apparently you need a refresher in all the firsts Canon has had, and will continue to have.  What progress are you specifically thinking in your statement?
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Canon General / Canon Lens Instant Savings
« Last post by BeenThere on Today at 01:00:21 PM »
The Canon store has a bunch of lens Instant savings of up to $300. Retailers will probably also offer these "Instant Savings."
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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« Last post by lion rock on Today at 12:48:09 PM »
Thanks very much Jack.
There were lots of cardinals about 4 houses up my road for as long as I live here (17 years).  And they never seemed to come to where we are, until 3 summers ago.  It seems like they're visiting us more often now.  I wonder why, I've not changed my seed habit or deck arrangements.  I can only surmise that the weather changes to allow a bit of environment they like.
This little guy stayed for more than 5 minutes at the feeder, making enough time for me to look at it, then get my camera (from another room), turn on, zoom out, etc, and shoot it.  Surprised that it was so patient, since they're nervous birds.  Even after it left the feeder, I can still hear its chirp, so it must be nearby.
I like these little guys.  Favorite is the nondescript carolina wren with their beautiful songs and upturn tails when they sing.  Sad that it's not easy to shoot them; they're even more nervous and they're normally on the ground, not a good position to shoot them.
-r
Thank you, Click.
-r

Lion rock and dpc,

Very nice shots, guys.  :)

Riley, you lucky guy.  I only saw my first real life Cardinal two weeks ago in Montreal but no lens to capture it.

Jack
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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« Last post by Jack Douglas on Today at 12:33:03 PM »
Thank you, Click.
-r

Lion rock and dpc,

Very nice shots, guys.  :)

Riley, you lucky guy.  I only saw my first real life Cardinal two weeks ago in Montreal but no lens to capture it.

Jack
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I certainly get the attraction of the extra focal length of the 24-105 lenses, but from a resolution point of view it seems the 24-70/4L IS at its weakest point (50mm) is still about the same as the 24-105/4L IS at its strongest point in its zoom range.  In the end though, if I was buying now, I think I'd be more influenced by other features (such as size, weight, focal length range v macro, how important distortion (esp at 24mm) is to me, etc) than any difference in sharpness.

I think the tradeoff is pretty simple:

24-70 (f/4) generally is a sharper instrument (especially at the two ends 24 and 70, where I'm guessing a zoom is used most), is lighter, takes up less space in your bag and has a macro mode.

24-105 has reach, which might let you leave a longer lens at home.

As a rough peg, in this forum at least, there must be a good 2-3x the number of 24-105 devotees than the 24-70 f/4.  Reach, it would appear, is more useful/popular than a sharpness bump and the (quite wonderful IMHO) macro mode.  Also, putting a 24-105L in a jillion 5D2, 5D3, and 6D kits didn't hurt it's popularity -- I'm guessing it's the first L lens a lot of people have ever used, and in many cases, it's probably the most widely used.

I don't think you can go wrong with either, in fairness.

- A

P.S.  Nikon has a 24-120 f/4 VR, and I believe it has a similar following.  Optically, it's a bigger step behind the 24-70 than with the Canon pair we've been discussing, but some folks tenaciously cling to their 24-120s for reach reasons.

I opted for the 24-70 and feel it was the best choice for me but also acknowledge that occasionally 105 would eliminate the need to have the 70-200 handy.  The macro is not 100mm quality but really nice to have especially for someone who is simply recording something they saw that was personally interesting.  6D with 24-70 F4 is a nice walk around size/weight.  The 24-105 had a large following before the newer lens so of course the faithful supported it and criticized the 24-70; I read all the knocks and today have no regrets.

Jack
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The damage would be obvious and speedy, and may well be bigger than what Sony, Fuji and Panasonic are chipping off from Canon's market share.

Except that Sony has been losing market share to Canon, and Fuji and Panasonic's ILC market shares are small enough to be irrelevant.  Which pretty much invalidates your argument.

Which I'd like to see, at least a bit. Just to wake up the sleeping beauty/dragon/whatever. Competition and racing is always good for the customer. Look at Intel for example. They had a decade of basically very incremental upgrades and amazing profits. But they slept on their laurels perhaps a bit too long and let themselves be a bit surprised with Ryzen/Epyc offerings of AMD. I know that this comparision is not very precise as camera world is much more diverse than just two brands. But still, I think you get my point.

It's quite an apt analogy.  Much better than, for example, all those who shout KODAK...NOKIA on these forums.  While those two companies are examples of failure to predict/react to a paradigm shift, that's not happing in the ILC industry now.  Rather, the situation is as you describe for CPU chips – incremental changes.  How's Intel doing now?  Did AMD 'surprise' offerings spell doom for Intel, or did Intel react?  Personally, I don't follow the CPU market, but I will say it's been a long time since I've seen a computer without an 'Intel Inside' sticker on it. 

But for some reason, a small subset of people here on CR (who some may call 'trolls', and not without reason), assume that Canon will not react if necessary, and thus that Canon is doomed.  Like 5 years ago, when Sony's/Nikon's better low ISO DR and Canon's 'horrible' fixed pattern noise (that was soooo evident when you pushed shadows >3 stops) meant Canon was doomed.  The thing is, as you correctly point out, the market isn't forcing Canon to react, the market is rewarding Canon for their choices.  Still, how is Canon's low ISO DR now?  Well, the 80D has better low ISO DR than the Nikon D5...and the Sony A9 has noise at low ISO.  And Canon was and remains the market leader.

OT: Problem with AMD is, that even it's currently offering much better price/performance ratio (and finally caught up with Intel on the single-core field - well, almost) it can't threaten Intel that much. Reason? Manufacturing capabilities - better lack of thereof.

I'm not flogging Canon for this and that, actually I'm quite happy with 6D (as a hobbyist, not a pro OFC) and some L lenses. My gripe is, when Canon becomes too much dominant, innovation and progress goes out of the window. Still, DPAF looks very good and with combination of Vari-Angle LCD on 6D2, I'm pretty much sold on that camera. That is, unless some major design flaw occurs - I'm definitely waiting for reviews, not preordering :-)
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