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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Some 1DX m2 video experience
« Last post by Josh Denver on Today at 03:35:39 PM »
Thanks Josh,

More specifically to my needs/wants.  I would really like to become involved in wildlife video as a part of my photography hobby.  I am really torn between the 1DX II and 5D4 based on my typical stills cropping history, favoring 30 MPs over 20 MPs.  That's an historic fact based on my almost constant use of the 300 2.8 II X2 III combo.  WA video is not a factor for me.

Now that has been muddied a bit by my recent purchase of the 400 DO II where X2 gets me 800mm reach.  At the moment I've been pretty impressed with 400 X2 but can't really evaluate it well since my 6D won't AF.  My guess is that 800 solves a lot of my cropping issues, otherwise I did not like the idea of buying an upgrade to my 6D that is only 20 MPs (shot alongside my friend with his 1DX and judged my IQ to almost equal his). 

I briefly owned a 1DII and then a 1D4 which especially won my favor for 1 series features and I was on track to buy the 1DX II by Sept. 1.  I've delayed that purchase due to the hype surrounding the 5D4 since it sounds in some ways more appealing than the 1DX II.

However, lately I've been arguing with myself that AF performance at F8 will be of utmost importance to me since I'll be using 400 X2 a lot.  This is looking like a very challenging decision that I'm going to have to make by spring.  If there are others in the same quandary, I'd sure love to hear their views.  For now 400 X1.4 is serving me well with the 6D.  I will not be delaying my camera purchase past spring for sure!!

Would the video capability significantly tip the balance in this scenario towards the 1DX II?

Jack

Yes it would tip the balance. For widelife you will always be shooting at 4K 60p. This will give you the edge over other videos. Either for slight slowmotion or fluidity. The 5D is capped at 30p. More for cinema use.

And even if 4K 60p is a lot of data, you'll use 1080p 120p. A respectable image.

5D is 120p at 720p (that's like you get canon 1100d quality for any slowmotion).

About stills resolution yes you won't get a new WOW effect from your new camera as if you've bought a 5Ds or a D810 and went 1:1 for the first time, but in reall life I find it just that, an effect. I shoot lots of 8mp 4K stills that end up printed and in wedding albums, nothing wrong with them. And while the 1Dxii will not give you a higher resolution/zoom, it will give you quite a bit better lowlight and a bucket of dynamic range and ever so slight color POP imporovement as been reported. And of course the AF system and burst rate and buffer and all that stuff, it's a better buy for you.

I personally bought a used nikon d800 and an old sharp 28-70 2.8 to satisfy my 1:1 peeping needs. Horrible video camrera. And wasn't a good buy after all, sets on the shelf as low resolution is just doing me well. I"d use it if I got a studio shoot, fashion, billboard, other than that, it's my 1DC for everything.
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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Some 1DX m2 video experience
« Last post by Josh Denver on Today at 03:35:01 PM »
Thanks Josh,

More specifically to my needs/wants.  I would really like to become involved in wildlife video as a part of my photography hobby.  I am really torn between the 1DX II and 5D4 based on my typical stills cropping history, favoring 30 MPs over 20 MPs.  That's an historic fact based on my almost constant use of the 300 2.8 II X2 III combo.  WA video is not a factor for me.

Now that has been muddied a bit by my recent purchase of the 400 DO II where X2 gets me 800mm reach.  At the moment I've been pretty impressed with 400 X2 but can't really evaluate it well since my 6D won't AF.  My guess is that 800 solves a lot of my cropping issues, otherwise I did not like the idea of buying an upgrade to my 6D that is only 20 MPs (shot alongside my friend with his 1DX and judged my IQ to almost equal his). 

I briefly owned a 1DII and then a 1D4 which especially won my favor for 1 series features and I was on track to buy the 1DX II by Sept. 1.  I've delayed that purchase due to the hype surrounding the 5D4 since it sounds in some ways more appealing than the 1DX II.

However, lately I've been arguing with myself that AF performance at F8 will be of utmost importance to me since I'll be using 400 X2 a lot.  This is looking like a very challenging decision that I'm going to have to make by spring.  If there are others in the same quandary, I'd sure love to hear their views.  For now 400 X1.4 is serving me well with the 6D.  I will not be delaying my camera purchase past spring for sure!!

Would the video capability significantly tip the balance in this scenario towards the 1DX II?

Jack

Yes it would tip the balance. For widelife you will always be shooting at 4K 60p. This will give you the edge over other videos. Either for slight slowmotion or fluidity. The 5D is capped at 30p. More for cinema use.

And even if 4K 60p is a lot of data, you'll use 1080p 120p. A respectable image.

5D is 120p at 720p (that's like you get canon 1100d quality for any slowmotion).

About stills resolution yes you won't get a new WOW effect from your new camera as if you've bought a 5Ds or a D810 and went 1:1 for the first time, but in reall life I find it just that, an effect. I shoot lots of 8mp 4K stills that end up printed and in wedding albums, nothing wrong with them. And while the 1Dxii will not give you a higher resolution/zoom, it will give you quite a bit better lowlight and a bucket of dynamic range and ever so slight color POP imporovement as been reported. And of course the AF system and burst rate and buffer and all that stuff, it's a better buy for you.

I personally bought a used nikon d800 and an old sharp 28-70 2.8 to satisfy my 1:1 peeping needs. Horrible video camrera. And wasn't a good buy after all, sets on the shelf as low resolution is just doing me well. I"d use it if I got a studio shoot, fashion, billboard, other than that, it's my 1DC for everything.
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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: UWA 4k workaround for 5D IV
« Last post by Josh Denver on Today at 03:10:34 PM »
Bottom line, for wide angle 4K video with the MK4:

-Tokina 11-20mm f/2.8

18-30mm FF equivalent with wide aperture, great built. Great optics. Best option right now, but 599$

-Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8

29-58mm FF It's wide on my 7D APS-C which is identical to 5D crop. So if you don't need ultra wide angle, and want the best optics, this is a GREAT companion for the 5D4K. This specific lens is VERY popular among video shooters, even quite really popular on high-end cinema/movie sets, 799$

Not much competetion beyond these two lenses is present currently (at least far as we video people know, of course unless you need cheaper, then it's the Canon 10-18mm EF-S)

(I don't know you call ''wide'' but anything below 35mm on crop I see being wide personally, 24 is wide, 18 is really wide, 11 is special-purposely-wiiiiide)

So go Tokina or Sigma or get a Canon FF wide if you'll use it for FF Stills in a serious manner. 16-35mm EF lenses are the most obvious tempting example. Bear in mind that Slowmotion is FF, and maybe you'll want a shot with shallower DOF so FF, or take 30mp stills FF. That's why the 16-35mm lens type is tempting.
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If the DXO scores were based on native resolution rather than reducing to 8 mp the 5D IV would score much higher. Probably one of the highest in fact.
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I am the best evidence why Canon needs to improve and keep up on many levels, as instead of 2x 1DXII and 3x 5D4 I have just bought ONE of each.

No, you're merely an anecdote.
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Canon sells significantly less cameras.  They have the problem, not me...

True, in the absolute sense the entire ILC market is declining, due to factors outside of Canon's control.  Printing brochures or putting 4K in more cameras is not going to help that.  But, based on factors within their control – what features they include in their cameras, how they market them, etc. – compared to their competition Canon remains the ILC market leader is gaining market share.  So while the industry as a whole has a problem (everyone is selling less cameras), Canon seems to be addressing it well (they're selling more cameras than anyone else).  Even to you, apparently...so your continued purchasing of their products renders your ongoing complaints meaningless. 
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Very nice series, Erik.   
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Here's an idea – since Sony gave you a brochure and Canon didn't, why don't you toss all your Canon gear in the rubbish bin and buy all Sony replacements.  That'll show 'em how bad they screwed up by not printing a brochure for you!
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If you would have read my posts, you would know that missing brochures are just one example of Canon's limitation game.  You can also replace it with button assignment:  in a Sony camera you can choose nearly any function for nearly any button.  In a Canon camera you can choose a few random functions on some random buttons.  If it wasn't 2016 and wouldn't have seen what other companies do and what's possible, I wouldn't complain.
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More of Saab 91 Safir 'SK50'.. I hope it is not too boring :)
F11 flygdag Nyköping Sweden 2016-09-04
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Sony gave out a brilliant 92-page system catalogue at Photokina, with lots of details you will never find if you go on a website.  This is professional and complete service and serves all customers.  Give some catalogue like this by Canon to any owner or potential buyer of a 5D4, and most will love and keep it, as it's a completely different feeling and insight as a website - and it will generate more sales of accessoires.  Each printed copy will be worth it.

I have spent more than 10.000 bucks for the 5D4 and 1DX2 - not to speak of 100+x other Canon products I have bought...

Seems you yourself are evidence Canon don't need catalogues and brochures to make sales!

I am the best evidence why Canon needs to improve and keep up on many levels, as instead of 2x 1DXII and 3x 5D4 I have just bought ONE of each.  In the last years (I do rent out as well) I also bought 60+x Sony E-Mount, Micro Four Thirds etc products I wouldn't have bought if Canon would have released similar products.

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