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Reviews / Re: PetaPixel poops on the 6D2 sensor
« Last post by Sporgon on Today at 08:35:28 AM »
I've been downloading sample raw files from the 6DII and running them through my process, and at this stage, having done limited testing at low isos, it looks like the chip is no reason to upgrade from the 6D. Just like the 6D it is using a lot of NR to achieve lower noise in the lifted shadows; with all NR off it's noisy just like the 6D. Of course that's with pretty extreme shadow lifting, but the 5DIV achieves better results with no NR on at all.

Sporgon's word is as good as it gets, as far as I am concerned.

For those new to the forum, he's reasonable and also a extremely talented photographer.

Please, people though, read his comment as it is written. He's not saying the 6DII is a bad camera or anything of the sort. He is simply saying that if you are considering upgrading from the original 6D, you should not do so expecting to see major differences at lower ISOs. Lots of other reasons to upgrade or just buy a 6DII.

Now I'm curious though, what are you seeing at higher ISOs, Sporgon? I'm interested in noise at 3200 and 6400 and how it compares to the original 6D.

Purely selfish reason. I'm getting tired of switching between a 70-200 f2.8 and either a wide angle zoom or the 21-105 f4. I've been thinking about picking up an original 6D when the prices drop and sticking the wide angle on the 6D, so I don't have to change lenses at events.

Thanks for those kind words Unfocused; my wife and the Inland Revenue would take issue with you over the 'reasonable' bit  ;)

My interest is whether the 6DII would be a suitable low ISO IQ upgrade from my 5DIIs. The answer is no, just as the 6D didn't give me any real advantage once Adobe had introduced the 2012 process raw converter. (Or rather once I has upgraded to it; like a fool I hadn't bothered until after I had bought the 6D). The 2012 process gives that much more latitude at the highlight end that it means I can ETTR in a high contrast scene to an extent that the deepest shadows move from the 0, 1, 2, 3 RGB range to 8, 9, 10 etc. And that makes all the difference in the world when lifting shadows the modest amount that I ever want to.

So for anyone that has the ability to optimise their exposures to suit the 6DII the camera's DR is going to be absolutely fine - just like the 6D. From my point of view I think that the flip screen and DPAF will make it an interesting proposition for tripod shooting - can be comfortable with the tripod at a lower level. The 6.5 fps makes a big difference from 5 IMO, and I'll take the AF system though I manage fine with the old one. So I think for many the upgrade will be worth it.

As far as the difference in really high ISO is concerned, honestly I'm not qualified to comment. I think I only ever once used my 6D at 3,200 in a church to see what it was like, and I can't now lay my hands on that folder. I remember that it seemed quite good at the time because of the way it was responding to NR. Take all the NR off and it was pretty well as ugly as the 5DII, although that camera doesn't respond to the NR as well as the 6D does. I'm really wary of shots that are taken at high ISO for the sake of it, i.e. there is plenty of light, as this can be misleading . However I downloaded some high 1,600 to 6,400 shots from the 6DII that were from genuine low light and it looks to me like it has a tighter, finer "salt and pepper" noise pattern / grain which may well be better than the 6D.

If the sensor tech has somehow enabled Canon to keep the 6DII price down then I'm sure they will have done the right thing for the vast majority of potential purchasers. However it does look like Canon have drawn a line in  the sand with the different sensor architecture between the 5 and 6D lines now. At low ISO the 6DII will require more skill from the user in optimising image IQ in challenging light situations than someone using the 5DIV.
I'd agree forum communities are only a minor number. However I do think people read reviews before making large purchases like Full Frame cameras. Magazine reviews will be interesting. They could break this camera. It's still a fine camera but Canon have given them something specific to be unhappy about. Alit of buyers may not understand dynamic range but it's something you might reasonably to have similar to  its competitors. I think it was a tactical mistake by Canon. Their next full frame mirrorless or not needs to be fairly good all over.

Mainstream magazines, like most reviewers, strive for balance.  DPR does not.

Have a skim through the smattering below, and tell me what in there you think will 'break this camera'. 

Quote from: Outdoor Photographer
Canon EOS 6D Mark II Hits The Sweet Spot
Taking it all together — price, performance, size and handling — the EOS 6D Mark II is an excellent package for outdoor photographers, especially those who primarily shoot landscapes and scenics. The camera’s max continuous shooting of 6.5 fps is perhaps short of what serious wildlife photographers would like, but it’s acceptably fast for most enthusiasts. Though the lack of 4K video may be a turn off for some, if you primarily shoot stills, the Full HD video quality is very good for those occasions when you do want to take movie clips.

Bottom line: The Canon EOS 6D Mark II is one of the most refined DSLRs we've used at any price, and an excellent option for enthusiasts photographers who are stepping up to full-frame.

Quote from: Imaging Resource
Overall, the Canon 6D Mark II is an impressive camera. It is in many ways an incremental upgrade over its predecessor, which is a bit disappointing given the amount of time that's passed between the release of the two cameras. I would have hoped for some additional improvements, such as better video recording capabilities and perhaps a more impressive viewfinder autofocus system. But what the 6D II does bring to the table is the series' patented blend of performance and price. Its image sensor is very good, Dual Pixel CMOS AF is an excellent inclusion and the new articulating touchscreen display is very useful in the field. The new features the camera includes may not be enough to make all 6D owners want to upgrade, but for users looking for a great full-frame DSLR that won't break the bank, the Canon 6D Mark II may well be an excellent option.

Quote from: Ken Rockwell (sort of)
Please help feed my family by buying the 6D Mark II using the links below.

Quote from: TechRadar
Canon has made some significant improvements over the original 6D, with a fresh sensor, a faster processor, a more credible AF system and stronger burst rate heading a long list of changes. This is somewhat reflected in its asking price, which does make you wonder if it’s been elevated too far out of its 'affordable full-frame' bracket – although it's a good deal cheaper than the next full frame model in the line-up, the EOS 5D Mark IV.

  • Brand new sensor and latest engine
  • Brilliant handling
  • Excellent connectivity options
  • Viewfinder falls short of 100% coverage
  • Absence of 4K likely to disappoint some
  • No USB 3.0
We should boycott overpriced and intentionally crippled cameras, or they will continue to produce them.

Sure.  If you don't like the camera, you will most likely feel better if you don't by one.  In fact, it would seem silly if you did.   Sounds a little grandiose to call it a boycott though.
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« Last post by Canon Rumors on Today at 08:14:27 AM »

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Reviews / Re: Tamron 18-400mm VC HLD Review | Dustin
« Last post by TWI by Dustin Abbott on Today at 08:02:42 AM »
Thank you for taking time and sharing your professional view on lenses and cameras. Highly appreciated. Keep up spoiling us.

Of course I look forward to the review battle between the Sigma 24-70 f/2.8 ART, the Tamron 24-70 G1, the Tamron 24-70 G2 and the Canon 24-70 f/2.8 II
Now that is something I think a lot of people look forward to...

I was hoping that all of the releases would line up nicely...and it looked like they were, and then the Canon mount of the G2 got delayed.  I may still be able to pull it off, but it will depend on whether or not the Tamron arrives before I need to send the Sigma back.  Even if it doesn't happen now, I may get everything in for sometime in the fall and do a shootout then.  I've sold my 24-70 months ago in preparation for seeing which of these might be the most interesting.  Problem, though.  I've substituted my 35L II for wedding and event work, and have discovered I'm not really missing a 24-70 in my personal kit!  The 35L II is just so good!
Reviews / Re: Sigma 100-400mm Contemporary Review | Dustin
« Last post by TWI by Dustin Abbott on Today at 08:00:03 AM »
The 150-600mm lenses are excellent for wildlife and birds, which are not moving very fast. But, if you are at a distance away where 600mm is needed, fast movement is less of a problem. There are lost of comparisons of the Sports and Contemporary - here an in-depth one https://improvephotography.com/36962/sigma-150-600mm-sport-vs-contemporary-lens-review/

Optically they are on a par, give or take sample variation, which can be great. The only real advantage of the Sports is its weather sealing. But, it is very heavy and difficult to hand hold, especially as the heaviest part is the front lens.  I'd buy a new C in preference to a used S at a similar price.

The Sport is the better lens in terms of build and focus, but you are right about the handholding.  It isn't just the weight; it is the balance.  WAY too much weight too far from your body, and that makes it really tiring to use for any length of time...and I'm very fit.
Reviews / Re: Tamron 18-400mm VC HLD Review | Dustin
« Last post by candyman on Today at 07:59:16 AM »
Thank you for taking time and sharing your professional view on lenses and cameras. Highly appreciated. Keep up spoiling us.

Of course I look forward to the review battle between the Sigma 24-70 f/2.8 ART, the Tamron 24-70 G1, the Tamron 24-70 G2 and the Canon 24-70 f/2.8 II
Now that is something I think a lot of people look forward to...
Reviews / Re: PetaPixel poops on the 6D2 sensor
« Last post by TWI by Dustin Abbott on Today at 07:55:01 AM »
Or download the files and process them optimally and see how good or bad it actually is. No, why would we do that when we can spend so much time shouting at each other?

Anyway, I know half of you will pull this to pieces but....

1st shot. So here is a crop of the 100iso shot from the 6D MkII vs the D750 both lifted 5 stops, and it's link.


2nd shot. I downloaded the 6D MkII file and processed it close to optimally and this is the result. I took five minutes to do this, given a few hours I could do better and work out profiles for each iso and lift amount that could be saved as presets in LR.

You cannot apply the same 'standard' settings to different cameras and say look at the differences. You have to process each file optimally!

When you do you get very different results. When will people stop eating this sh!t up?

I would be VERY interested in those kinds of profiles.  If you ever do generate them for various bodies and set up a marketplace, let me know and I can help promote them.
Reviews / Tamron 18-400mm VC HLD Review | Dustin
« Last post by TWI by Dustin Abbott on Today at 07:52:27 AM »
Hello, everyone.  Tamron Canada got me a retail copy of the new Tamron 18-400mm f/3.5-6.3 VC HLD lens to review, and I've got my conclusions here:

Text Review:  http://bit.ly/18400HLDda
Video Review:  http://bit.ly/18400HLD
Image Gallery:  http://bit.ly/Tam18400IG

It seems to me that Tamron did what they needed to with this lens.  It will market very well due to the specs, but I also didn’t see any area where the lens regressed compared to earlier lenses with smaller zoom ratios.  As someone whose lens kit is primarily made up of prime lenses, this kind of lens doesn't personally set me on fire, but it's a very competent lens for those looking for a travel lens with a huge zoom range.

P.S. For those interested, I have just started reviewing the Sigma 24-70 ART, so stay posted for that.  I'm releasing the Zeiss Milvus 35mm f/1.4 review next week along with the Canon EF-S 35mm f/2.8 Macro IS review the week following.  I've also (due to a LOT of requests) added a Sony a6500 to my personal kit and am about to start a staggered release of Sony mirrorless reviews, including the Zeiss Touit line and Sigma's DN line.  I've gotten all of these as sets, so I will mostly be reviewing them as such (more like mini-reviews around a common theme).
EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 6D owners, are you upgrading?
« Last post by mistaspeedy on Today at 07:46:06 AM »
So much for the idea that 6D II sales will kill the used 5D III market. In protecting 5D IV sales, they nerfed the 6D II a bit too much.
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