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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« Last post by Jack Douglas on Today at 02:23:42 PM »
Thanks Scott and Eldar - more to digest.

Eldar, I looked briefly but couldn't locate.  You won't likely "see" a chickadee react to flash but if a pre-flash is emitted then sometimes you will have a photo of the reaction, usually the wings starting to be pulled up; clearly startled.

Jack
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I am going to sound like a broken record but what is the difference between this certification and the others that have been released?

Not understanding the whole certification process apparently.
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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« Last post by Eldar on Today at 01:45:39 PM »
There are much more powerful options than on camera style strobes. As Eldar says one of the first is the Profoto B1, and at 600Ws it is about 10 times more powerful than a 600 EX RT, and you can get focusing reflectors that can columate that power. Then there are comparable and more powerful options from Broncolor, and much cheaper and comparable models from Godox/Flashpoint, the AD600 can be doubled up to a single head to give you 1200Ws. If you don't mind taking an inverter style power pack people like Profoto make 1000Ws single heads that are HSS and ETTL capable.

As always it is a trade off between power, price and portability.

For instance the Profoto D2 and PCB Lithium Extreme are going to give you 20 flashes per second with full ETTL and HSS for around $2,500, expensive for one light but it has the capability of 14 600 EX RT's. Or the Godox/Flashpoint AD600 will give a more modest output and recycle for $600.

We get so wrapped up in camera advances we often completely miss the gigantic advances and options we have in lighting now 😀  my go to source for flash news is flashhavoc.
Scott, you beat me to it :)

I normally don´t use flashes for birding or wildlife. The reason is somewhere between ethics and laziness. However, I have lost enough shots, due to lack of light or, as in this case, subject is in dark shadow with bright backlight, to be willing to carry a bit more stuff around. From an ethics point of view, I must admit that I have yet to see any bird/animal react to the light, unless it is straight into their face.

For shots like the ones I took of the woodpecker, I find the 600 EX-RT too limited. Even with an external power pack, you don´t get more than 1 fps. Without the powerpack, you´ll get a lot less.

The Profoto B1 is a great package (actually B1X now). However, besides being quite pricy, it does some strange things. One is slowing down the max fps. I can understand that it slows it down to secure correct lighting for all shots. But, for reasons I do not know,  it is slower in AF Servo mode than in One Shot.

Added comment: If you shoot in manual mode and One Shot, it will give you the full fps, as long as it is capable of recharge. In a situation like the one I was in, with app. 20 meters to the subject, it may give you a little less. I will try it out and report back. I can also use both B1 units, to give me more power.

It would be nice to have full flash availability at 14 fps and HSS, but I don´t see, with my limited use, that I would add a D2 package to my outfit. (My character is low though, so you never know ...  ::) )

I have read a lot of nice stuff about the Godox AD600, which appears to be great value for money. A friend of mine just ordered a pair. Will be interesting to see how they work in similar situations, even though, at up to 2.5s recharging cycle, it will not solve the high fps problem.
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You miss my point. I'm not saying you, and potentially many others, don't have good use for a killer crossover stills/video DSLR's, what I am saying is Canon clearly don't want to make one. I don't know why, but they very clearly don't, so bearing that in mind if I was in the market for a crossover I'd look somewhere else.

in alot of cases, canon can't.  for instance, video features such as peaking are in the powershot firmware, which doesn't translate to the EOS DSLR cameras - if it does, it's *VERY* slow. it's nothing to see features in the powershots that simply do not exist in the EOS DSLR's.  they have a quicker turn around to market, and I don't know why, but it seems nearly impossible to see canon move something from powershot to DSLR.

Also people crying for better 4k implementations that simply isn't happening until canon solves what is different between the DIGIC DV's and the DIGIC's for cameras - and the heat envelope.  the DIGIC DV's need venting and fans.  maybe they'll get there with the next generation of DIGIC .. ie: 8.  it's not there in 7.  if it's not there in 7, then it's not going to be there for at least the next full go-around.

In alot of cases, it's not a case of canon - won't, it's more canon can't.

however I still don't get the fitting the square peg into the round hole approach of wanting a DSLR as a hybrid.   Get a mirrorless and just .. go.  really.  why bother waste energy in complaining about something that simply will never work as well as some other brand?

Seems stupid to me.  there's so many other things in the world we can't control or fix, and it's blindingly obvious that other brands simply do the hybrid better, and will, period.  So why bitch and moan?

it's impossible for me to care less about video in a DSLR or even a stills camera.  I tried it once with the 7D, I went. hey that's cool.  Haven't used it since.

I'm not sure, but given the fact that the market hasn't rolled up and dumped canon (and nikon really for that matter) for not having credible video solutions probably means it means sweet f all to the majority of camera purchasers.

Otherwise we'd see more of a shift.

 I don't believe for a second Canon couldn't. If they can put focus peaking in a Poweshot and a wide range of C line cameras they could put it in the EOS firmware, for goodness sake ML do it, you are talking nonesense.

Now as I asked Etienne, and he agreed nobody does, who is making this mythical camera that leaves Canon in the dust? It seems to me there are smaller cameras, like the GH5 which don't compare to FF DSLR's (just listen to the bitching over the 5D MkIV 4K crop factor which is still much bigger than the GH5) or Sony that have all kinds of caveats and limitations on each and every headline feature they list.

Nobody makes this camera that the cross over dreamers want and that Canon is so far behind! They should stop bitching that Canon is so far behind and just say nobody makes a camera with the feature set they personally want at this time.
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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« Last post by privatebydesign on Today at 12:38:02 PM »
There are much more powerful options than on camera style strobes. As Eldar says one of the first is the Profoto B1, and at 600Ws it is about 10 times more powerful than a 600 EX RT, and you can get focusing reflectors that can columate that power. Then there are comparable and more powerful options from Broncolor, and much cheaper and comparable models from Godox/Flashpoint, the AD600 can be doubled up to a single head to give you 1200Ws. If you don't mind taking an inverter style power pack people like Profoto make 1000Ws single heads that are HSS and ETTL capable.

As always it is a trade off between power, price and portability.

For instance the Profoto D2 and PCB Lithium Extreme are going to give you 20 flashes per second with full ETTL and HSS for around $2,500, expensive for one light but it has the capability of 14 600 EX RT's. Or the Godox/Flashpoint AD600 will give a more modest output and recycle for $600.

We get so wrapped up in camera advances we often completely miss the gigantic advances and options we have in lighting now 😀  my go to source for flash news is flashhavoc.
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Lighting / Re: Godox Trigger Updated Firmware
« Last post by BasXcanon on Today at 12:33:38 PM »
Besisika? Is there any chance I can get the V20 file from you?
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I believe Sony is going to beat Canon to delivering that camera.

good, will we hear the end of this nonsense?
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You miss my point. I'm not saying you, and potentially many others, don't have good use for a killer crossover stills/video DSLR's, what I am saying is Canon clearly don't want to make one. I don't know why, but they very clearly don't, so bearing that in mind if I was in the market for a crossover I'd look somewhere else.

in alot of cases, canon can't.  for instance, video features such as peaking are in the powershot firmware, which doesn't translate to the EOS DSLR cameras - if it does, it's *VERY* slow. it's nothing to see features in the powershots that simply do not exist in the EOS DSLR's.  they have a quicker turn around to market, and I don't know why, but it seems nearly impossible to see canon move something from powershot to DSLR.

Also people crying for better 4k implementations that simply isn't happening until canon solves what is different between the DIGIC DV's and the DIGIC's for cameras - and the heat envelope.  the DIGIC DV's need venting and fans.  maybe they'll get there with the next generation of DIGIC .. ie: 8.  it's not there in 7.  if it's not there in 7, then it's not going to be there for at least the next full go-around.

In alot of cases, it's not a case of canon - won't, it's more canon can't.

however I still don't get the fitting the square peg into the round hole approach of wanting a DSLR as a hybrid.   Get a mirrorless and just .. go.  really.  why bother waste energy in complaining about something that simply will never work as well as some other brand?

Seems stupid to me.  there's so many other things in the world we can't control or fix, and it's blindingly obvious that other brands simply do the hybrid better, and will, period.  So why bitch and moan?

it's impossible for me to care less about video in a DSLR or even a stills camera.  I tried it once with the 7D, I went. hey that's cool.  Haven't used it since.

I'm not sure, but given the fact that the market hasn't rolled up and dumped canon (and nikon really for that matter) for not having credible video solutions probably means it means sweet f all to the majority of camera purchasers.

Otherwise we'd see more of a shift.
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Why spend on the 77D and not spend a little more to get the 80D with AFMA?  For fast lenses, AFMA is such a major feature, and the 80D's LiveView AF seems just as fast as that on the 5DIV... 
I understand budgets, believe me, but when a little more time saving allows for the purchase of a significantly better item, perhaps with better resale value later too...
BTW, third party batteries are said to be less than fully compatible.  I'm going to be testing that out and will let you all know what I find.
Judging by Ebay ads, it seems that third-party manufacturers are not compatible with the original Canon charger. All third-party LP-E17s are sold as kits with an inexpensive junk-type charger, and are never sold separately.
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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« Last post by Jack Douglas on Today at 11:12:00 AM »
Eldar, I'd be very interested in what options or solutions you come up with relative to speed.  If a person could get burst capability to say, maybe 7 shots at 14 fps, it would be amazing.  Getting only one shot when there is action, i.e. birds fighting over a nesting site, is the pits since generally the peak of the action is very difficult to judge and one might fire 20 or 30 in a burst if it's a very unique situation.

Seems like what we'd need is a strobe function that would sync with the HSS shutter and a good power source, and could it remain portable??

BTW many birds react to pre-flash, or flash after the fact, and are startled.  Chickadee shots tended to have a wing partially elevated.

The lens for my Better Beamer somehow seems to have gotten thrown in the trash. ;) :(

Jack



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