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Landscape / Re: Flowers and other Flora
« Last post by dpc on June 25, 2016, 01:33:57 PM »
 :)
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Canon General / Re: Canon product release
« Last post by Mt Spokane Photography on June 25, 2016, 01:29:43 PM »
Generally, its not smart to announce a new product before its ready.  Look at Nikon, delaying delivery of their new cameras for a second time, this time due to component shortages caused by the earthquake.

When you announce early, it virtually stops sales of the current product, so you must drop prices drastically to sell it.  Sometimes, there is a reason that makes sense, such as a totally new product that is announced early to dampen sales of a competitors product.

If there are no disasters, production glitches, or the like, Canon deliveries usually start ~two months after the announcement.
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So many thoughts...

I am a bit dismayed by these sentiments:

This thread has zero chance to stay civil. Lock it and get back to sensor debates, DR and other double plus good topics.

It's a political thread and the whole thing should be deleted, and the OP warned for posting something that infringes the usage terms for this forum. :-p

There is no place for religion or politics in online debates.... Neither will lead to any resolution and will cause flame wars and hurt feelings all round....

Sorry this site has lowered itself to be about politics versus the science and art of capturing our world. I do not think we should allow this forum to be a vent for politics.

First, the prediction that the discussion had "zero chance to stay civil" has proven to be incorrect. This is one of the most civil and reasonable threads I've seen in a long time.

I understand that it deals with an uncomfortable topic for some people. But, if we go about avoiding uncomfortable, but critically important, topics, we are all lost.

As I said previously, I think this whole issue serves as a valuable reminder to all of us that we are the exceptions in the world. We can afford to debate ridiculously insignificant things day in and day out as though they are important, while many of are neighbors struggle to pay for basic necessities, much less cameras and lenses that cost thousands.

There appear to be massive, fundamental challenges facing the world's developed economies over the rational and equitable distribution of wealth. In the U.S. that is having a profound impact on politics from both the left and the right. I seen nothing wrong or threatening about discussing these things in rational terms.

And, so far, this thread has been rational and respectful.


Now, back to the discussion:

I am interpreting Fujio Mitarais statement quite differently than most of participants in this topic.

In first part it sounds like he considers strong Yen a good thing, at least for Japan if not for Canon inc.
“In Japan, while we can expect to see a temporary surge in the value of the yen,

Second part part sound different, as if it should begin with BUT - Strong Yen is good BUT Brexit is bad news.
...the U.K.’s decision could also bring a halt to the economic recovery that had been underway,”

I understand his statement as if he thinks that Syria/Iraq crisis + Immigration crisis + Brexit crisis leads to instability which will "bring a halt to the economic recovery that had been underway". I am not sure if he is referring to the recovery from worldwide recession or Japans recovery from earthquake caused stagnation being halted by investors fear of another 2008.

This is what I think he is saying:

A "temporary surge in the value of the yen" would be good for Japanese consumers because they can consume more imported products at less cost. Don't forget that Japan is highly dependent on imports for many products, including a lot of necessities. I believe they import much of their food, for example.

But I think he also is issuing a cautionary statement, pointing out that just as a strong Yen can temporarily help the economy by spurring consumers to buy, a strong Yen over time will hurt home grown companies, of which Canon is one, thus "the U.K.'s decision could also bring a halt to the economic recovery that had been underway..."

Japanese manufacturers, like Canon, Sony, Nikon, etc., can be hurt by a strong Yen that increases the price of their products abroad and cuts into profits. Companies like Canon must make difficult decisions in the face of falling currencies abroad. In effect, the real price of a 1DX just dropped by about 10% in England and Europe as the Pound and Euro drop in value. It's not any cheaper to consumers, but the amount of real value returned to Canon is now less than it was a few days ago.

I think he is worried about the cumulative effect and what that will mean for the world economy.

Of course, as others have pointed out, volatility is the enemy of business. Investors don't want to risk putting money into a volatile market and retreat to safer investments. That in turn reduces the cash available for businesses to invest in the the equipment, research and development they need for new and improved products. With less cash available, Canon will find it harder to bring that new 6D II to market that people are demanding on this forum.

Thus, his fears that the fragile (many would say anemic) economic recovery of the past six to eight years could be derailed as companies lose access to capital they need.

Just some thoughts.
 
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I am interpreting Fujio Mitarais statement quite differently than most of participants in this topic.

In first part it sounds like he considers strong Yen a good thing, at least for Japan if not for Canon inc.
“In Japan, while we can expect to see a temporary surge in the value of the yen,

Second part part sound different, as if it should begin with BUT - Strong Yen is good BUT Brexit is bad news.
...the U.K.’s decision could also bring a halt to the economic recovery that had been underway,”

I understand his statement as if he thinks that Syria/Iraq crisis + Immigration crisis + Brexit crisis leads to instability which will "bring a halt to the economic recovery that had been underway". I am not sure if he is referring to the recovery from worldwide recession or Japans recovery from earthquake caused stagnation being halted by investors fear of another 2008.

Will Canon go bankrupt if WW3 starts the day they release Canons first affordable 4K camera?   :o ;D

 ::) ::) ::)

A strong currency value hurts companies that export products for most of their income (Canon).  They must raise prices which lowers sales and profits.  On the other hand, a strong currency lowers prices of imported goods.

That's why Cameras currently cost less in the USA, and the uncertainty as to what will happen for the cost of imported goods and materials in Europe.  Its that uncertainty (Fear and Greed) that is affecting currency values.  Oil and Gas prices could rise, a huge concern!

Currency values are a two edged sword, helping some while hurting others.  Generally, trade flows more smoothly when currencies are stable.
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Abstract / Re: Miscellaneous
« Last post by KeithBreazeal on June 25, 2016, 01:18:54 PM »
My home office work station
My Computer Station © Keith Breazeal by Keith Breazeal, on Flickr
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Landscape / Re: Flowers and other Flora
« Last post by dpc on June 25, 2016, 12:47:06 PM »
Great idea. Very abstract. I like it, dpc.




Thanks!  :)
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Canon General / Re: Canon CEO Very Dismayed by Brexit, Could Halt Japan Recovery
« Last post by C-A430 on June 25, 2016, 12:42:33 PM »
I am interpreting Fujio Mitarais statement quite differently than most of participants in this topic.

In first part it sounds like he considers strong Yen a good thing, at least for Japan if not for Canon inc.
“In Japan, while we can expect to see a temporary surge in the value of the yen,

Second part part sound different, as if it should begin with BUT - Strong Yen is good BUT Brexit is bad news.
...the U.K.’s decision could also bring a halt to the economic recovery that had been underway,”

I understand his statement as if he thinks that Syria/Iraq crisis + Immigration crisis + Brexit crisis leads to instability which will "bring a halt to the economic recovery that had been underway". I am not sure if he is referring to the recovery from worldwide recession or Japans recovery from earthquake caused stagnation being halted by investors fear of another 2008.

Will Canon go bankrupt if WW3 starts the day they release Canons first affordable 4K camera?   :o ;D

 ::) ::) ::)
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Canon General / Re: Canon product release
« Last post by Busted Knuckles on June 25, 2016, 12:21:53 PM »
Retail sales strategies.

Announce, so those who might be considering a competitor stop their pursuit.
Build demand through the "hands on review" by selected industry experts

Satiate the maximum demand w/ the opening higher price than 12/24 months later will rebates are needed to move product.  Happiest if initial supply is just a wee bit short of orders - keeps prices high.  Really unhappy if initial supply is significantly above demand (Original M).



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Landscape / Re: Flowers and other Flora
« Last post by npdien on June 25, 2016, 12:10:16 PM »
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Landscape / Re: Flowers and other Flora
« Last post by npdien on June 25, 2016, 12:08:26 PM »
Great idea. Very abstract. I like it, dpc.



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