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EOS Bodies / Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]
« Last post by Don Haines on June 24, 2017, 07:00:56 PM »
My take is that technology is advancing in lightning speed, the good old 1980-1990 product strategy has expired long ago. But Canon still uses this strategy to milk its fans. On one hand, it still outsells other manufacturers. Why kill the cash cow when it still brings in the money. If it brought out a 6D Mark II with 4K (let's say at $2,500 US), it would kill its many models out there from APS-C to full-frames with a much higher price tags.
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Remember Nikon.... They came out with the D750 at $2500 and it was an extremely poor selling camera. Then they dropped the price to $1750 and it became a great selling camera. Price is very important. In an introductory level camera, price is probably the most important factor....

To suggest that Canon significantly bump up the price of a camera in order to include a feature that the masses are not interested in is.... well..... ummmmmm..... let's just say that you should not be applying for a job with Canon's marketing department.....

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EOS Bodies / Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]
« Last post by LonelyBoy on June 24, 2017, 06:47:46 PM »
My take is that technology is advancing in lightning speed, the good old 1980-1990 product strategy has expired long ago. But Canon still uses this strategy to milk its fans. On one hand, it still outsells other manufacturers. Why kill the cash cow when it still brings in the money. If it brought out a 6D Mark II with 4K (let's say at $2,500 US), it would kill its many models out there from APS-C to full-frames with a much higher price tags. The damage would be obvious and speedy, and may well be bigger than what Sony, Fuji and Panasonic are chipping off from Canon's market share.

1) We have no idea whether 4k would have been a $500 premium.  It could have been much more, or not feasible to their standards in the space and weight allowed.
2) You are insane if you think a $2500 FF camera is going to kill Canon's whole APS-C range.  People would still be mostly buying Rebels for a fraction of the price with much smaller and cheaper lenses.
3) Sony, Fuji, and Panasonic are not chipping off from Canon's market share.

Glad I could clear things up for you.  Do feel free to get a Panasonic for video, but you're also not going to get 8k in 2018.  That's a whole different world of bitrate.  But hey, keep dreaming your dream.
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EOS Bodies / Re: This is the Canon EOS Rebel SL2/200D/X8
« Last post by LonelyBoy on June 24, 2017, 06:42:45 PM »
It could, I suppose, also be a matter of the CPU power to handle the more advanced AF system, if they skimped on that to fit in the tilty-flippy or something else.

I know I made do with 9 points on my SL1, but I was looking forward to playing with the 45-point... who knows.  I'll wait for the reviews to hit, certainly.
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EOS Bodies / Re: First Images & More Specifications for the Canon EOS 6D Mark II Leak
« Last post by Zv on June 24, 2017, 06:38:06 PM »
I like how this thread is analyzing the mindset of trolls and trolling behavior, trying to figure out the definition of a troll and why they do the things they do. You could make a decent podcast out of this!  ;)
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EOS Bodies / Re: This is the Canon EOS Rebel SL2/200D/X8
« Last post by TeT on June 24, 2017, 06:31:44 PM »
Bummer...
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EOS Bodies / Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]
« Last post by roast_pigeon on June 24, 2017, 06:31:23 PM »
My take is that technology is advancing in lightning speed, the good old 1980-1990 product strategy has expired long ago. But Canon still uses this strategy to milk its fans. On one hand, it still outsells other manufacturers. Why kill the cash cow when it still brings in the money. If it brought out a 6D Mark II with 4K (let's say at $2,500 US), it would kill its many models out there from APS-C to full-frames with a much higher price tags. The damage would be obvious and speedy, and may well be bigger than what Sony, Fuji and Panasonic are chipping off from Canon's market share.


For those of us who say they don't take videos much or they don't care about 4K videos much, we'd better ask ourselves whether it is the editing work needed to get a professional looking video out that is making us doing/caring about it
less, or we are truly not so interested in taking videos. I love both stills and videos. I don't do so much videos (therefore at the back of my mind I convinced myself no 4K is not a big deal. I practically lie to myself!) because of the editing work.

I own an 80D, I am excited about 6D II. It is I think the full-frame brother of the 80D. Without 4K, I will hold on till next year to see if there will be a 90D with 4K. If no, I will then buy a 6D II (price will be much lower by then), and get a Panasonic (by then we probably will get 8K) for video. But this means I have fallen into Canon's trap: I still buy Canon. But listen, that will be my
last Canon and I believe with 6D II's specs, for just stills I won't need to buy another still camera for a long, long time. I really don't see stills-technology would be much of technology advancement focus anymore.

If yes, I will leave Canon for good. Because it would mean Canon is still backward thinking, still want to milk us dry with the same strategy. Hey, Canon, it is not like no manufacturer can match you. Time to move on!
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Lenses / Re: Worst advice ever
« Last post by Normalnorm on June 24, 2017, 06:03:53 PM »
Stopped by my local camera store (name withheld to protect the guilty) to pick up a mounting plate, and was talking to the clerk and asked if they had a waiting list for the new 6D2 yet.....The answer was no,  and then he told me about the new Tamron 18-400 lens that was coming soon and how it will be the only lens that you ever need to buy! ! !

And this comes after inquiring about a FF camera.......

It is easy to see why mail order is doing so well.....

In fairness, he is probably doing what his manager told him to do and is being offered a $20 spiff for each sale he gets.
The retail store is a low volume entity that struggles to get every sale it can and yes, filters a re an important profit center.

Mail order has always prospered with (presumably) informed buyers but any salesperson at B&H and Adorama will tell you long tales about cheapskate time wasters that have bedeviled them for hours.
It would be nice to have a camera store that has nothing but retired pros with no ax to grind to tell people what they should buy. However, today most small stores cannot stock what the mail order stores can and the ones that do struggle to not be  a showroom for internet buyers.

It is not a happy world for camera retail but it will be worse when the small guy can't afford to open the doors because he can't get inventory, volume and staff that does not sneer at SL1s.
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EOS Bodies / Re: This is the Canon EOS Rebel SL2/200D/X8
« Last post by BillB on June 24, 2017, 06:02:13 PM »
So, are they just reusing the SL1 9 point A?  Wonder what else is being carried over from the SL1.
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Landscape / Re: Flowers and other Flora
« Last post by spandau on June 24, 2017, 05:18:33 PM »
Bridal Wreath Shrub.
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Black & White / Re: Black & White
« Last post by Eldar on June 24, 2017, 05:12:31 PM »
Apparently B&W lovers stopped posting ... ::)

This is a part of an old olive tree, in front of the Palma Town Hall, in the Plaza de Cort on Mallorca. A spectacular trunk. Its exact age is not known, but it is more than 600 years old.
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