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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon upcoming APS-C Mirrorless system
« Last post by Hillsilly on May 23, 2016, 06:52:34 PM »
It will take them a few years (or more) to catch up to Fuji and Sony's lens range, so its not likely to interest me immediately. Also, I like the IQ that you can get from Fuji's AA-less sensors.  I'd be surprised if Nikon can do better.  And, you've got to worry about Nikon's quality control in recent years with new product launches.  I think I'll be happy for some else to be the guinea pig.
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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Being Tested by Photographers
« Last post by LetTheRightLensIn on May 23, 2016, 06:52:34 PM »
no tilty-flippy please...

+1 !!!

I've gone around and around on this, but I'm leaning towards wanting one.  Principal reasons I've changed my mind towards tilty-flippy for the 5D4 market:

1) Video. 

2) Crowded (wedding, concerts, events) or dangerous (protests, war correspondents, etc.) shooting environments. Get under a car or behind a wall and keep shooting, reach over the crowd with a wide shot, etc.

3) Pretty damn handy for low to ground tripod + liveview work -- landscapes, macro, etc.

4) If you don't like it, you don't have to use it.  Though there is an added expense with all this that you won't use, take a number on that front -- I don't shoot video at all on my 5D3 and I sure as hell paid for it.

(#3 is the only one that really matters to me, but I see 1,2,3 fitting the 5D4 crowd pretty well)

But the only way to truly end the discussion on this is for Canon to either offer two models (one with tilty-flippy and one without) or for canon to make the LCD a rigidly-mountable/sealed module that can be changed out as needs change.  Shooting in a hellish environment?  Go vanilla/rigid.  Need a tilty-flippy?  Slap in the screen module you need.  (That would also allow 3rd parties to offer specialized snap-in modules for different needs.)

And again, I'm not certain the 5D4 will get a tilty-flippy -- I'm just arguing that there's value even for that demanding professional crowd.

- A

+1
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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Being Tested by Photographers
« Last post by LetTheRightLensIn on May 23, 2016, 06:51:32 PM »
Ok and NO on the radio transmitter. But the rest of what you had all sounded fairly reasonable even if they dont all come to fruition.

Tilty Flippy on 6D2 however I would think is a fairly safe bet.  That seems more like a 6 body feature than a rugged 5 body feature

I'd love a flippy, great for macro, video, even certain types of sports/PJ work, etc.
And when you need rugged, just keep it locked back down, no problem at all.
And has anyone ever heard of an epidemic of flippies getting snapped off?
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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Being Tested by Photographers
« Last post by LetTheRightLensIn on May 23, 2016, 06:44:41 PM »
Speaking of specific DR and noise rumors of the upcoming 5D IV... I was wondering whether how evaluate those at this point assuming there is no way to even open RAW files, yet. You certainly can not draw conclusions based on JPEGs, that have much to do with the software of 5D IV, which has also not been finalized yet obviously.

So do you think that any of those DR, noise related rumours should be considered reliable assuming that no one has ever seen a single RAW file of 5D IV as of yet? I guess we won't really have a clear perspective of DR, noise specs, etc until first RAWs become available. Any thoughts on that?

1. Testers might, some of them, have been given a special DPP version.
2. All a tester would need to do is plop the RAW into say IRIS and then measure the black frame noise. That's actually the best way to test for DR. It doesn't rely on whatever sneaky thing some converter might do under the hood and just takes a look at the true RAW output, it's easily repeatable and it takes like only 30 seconds do the whole thing test.
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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Being Tested by Photographers
« Last post by ahsanford on May 23, 2016, 06:31:33 PM »
It doesn't matter if you innovate something and keep the patent in the closet lol. It matters when users can actually use those technology. I'm fine with a company that is 'aggregating resource'. They are bringing the technology to the masses while canon is a slow moving dinosaur. I hope they be able to give canon a good run for their money.

There's another company that's been killing it with a lot of that tech -- that being Pentax -- but they lack the sexy sensors and that terminates the 'internet forum love flowchart' at Step 1.

But have a hard look at the K-1.  That's a mirrorslapper's A7R with more tech onboard than the EM-50 Urban Assault Vehicle.

For some reason -- and it very well might be flange distance allowing adaptor and existing lenses -- folks fawn over the A7 platform while the K-1 is a bridge too far, it's too painful of a migration, etc.  Yet functionality and handling-wise, the K-1 is probably a more natural fit for Nikon and Canon folks.

Yet Sony is the disruptive innovator that will take over the world, while Pentax is the tool for the weird kids on the science team.  Go figure.

- A
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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Being Tested by Photographers
« Last post by CanonGuy on May 23, 2016, 06:26:33 PM »
Mirrorless. Not a Sony innovation.
On chip ADC. Not a Sony innovation.
BSI sensor. Not a Sony innovation.
Pixel shift. Not a Sony innovation.
Sensor shift IS. Not a Sony innovation.
Dual Pixel AF. Not a Sony innovation.

Did I miss anything?

Let's rephrase it, then.  They are resourceful at aggregating innovations from the imaging industry into (fairly) compelling producta.

Call them 'resourceful and disruptive' or something.  :)

- A

It doesn't matter if you innovate something and keep the patent in the closet lol. It matters when users can actually use those technology. I'm fine with a company that is 'aggregating resource'. They are bringing the technology to the masses while canon is a slow moving dinosaur. I hope they be able to give canon a good run for their money.
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Lenses / Re: A New Full Frame Zoom Coming in 2016 [CR2]
« Last post by Don Haines on May 23, 2016, 06:18:16 PM »
...Therefore I can only hope for Canon's sake that this rumors (also) is about a new EF 70-300 IS (nano-)USM with a decent IQ over the whole range but in particular at the long end. Because after all, that is where most tele-zooms are most often used: at or around the long end. And where they are judged in reality...
This is exactly how I felt after buying my first Canon DSLR, T2i with 18-55 something and 55-250. I was so disappointed with the pictures I figured I had no clue what I was doing. I persevered, learned and got better lenses and better cameras. Now I'm happy with the results most of the time.
To anybody who claims Canon makes great lenses, that is true, but they also make crappy lenses. Many people who start with a first DSLR will end up with crappy lenses and will not continue using the DSLR.
In my opinion Canon should not sell any crappy lenses, they are destroying their brand. No lens should be worst then the 18-135STM, that should be the bottom of the quality standard.
I live wondering:

How is it that in 2016, Canon continues to manufacture some trash, as their 75-300mm?

EXACTLY!

It's not just the big whites that need periodic updates.....
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Lenses / Re: Patent: EF-M 9-17mm f/3.5-5 STM
« Last post by brad-man on May 23, 2016, 06:10:21 PM »
@brad
Probably the width; I'm told that IS gets funky on wide angles and to watch my corners even on IS as those can shift whereas the center does not on a IS wide angle. I haven't had an issue with camera shake on my 11-22 though to date... Probably because the wider you go, the less camera shake is an issue to begin with, IE you generally need 1/50 at 50mm, thus 1/20 at 20mm, and with a 14mm, 1/15. 1/15 at 3.5 is quite a bit of light mind you. Just don't expect to catch any action, but that isn't the point of the lens anyhow. That's what a FF rig and 16-35 f/2.8L is for...

Right. Currently there is no Canon lens wider than 16mm (10mm with crop) with IS. The question is will the EF-M mount with its reduced flange distance and overall smaller size be able to overcome this obstacle easier than the EF or EF-S mount can?
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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Being Tested by Photographers
« Last post by ahsanford on May 23, 2016, 06:02:02 PM »
Mirrorless. Not a Sony innovation.
On chip ADC. Not a Sony innovation.
BSI sensor. Not a Sony innovation.
Pixel shift. Not a Sony innovation.
Sensor shift IS. Not a Sony innovation.
Dual Pixel AF. Not a Sony innovation.

Did I miss anything?

Let's rephrase it, then.  They are resourceful at aggregating innovations from the imaging industry into (fairly) compelling products.

Call them 'resourceful and disruptive' or something.  :)

- A
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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Being Tested by Photographers
« Last post by ahsanford on May 23, 2016, 05:59:21 PM »
If those specs are true, ill be very disappointed! Only thing exciting over there is 4k and I don't do video. So, yawn... Couple big yawns.

But we don't know the secret feature yet.  What if it turns out to be illluminated/backlit buttons, or a modular LCD mount like I discussed, or an on-the-fly selectable EVF/OVF, or a new pony?

- A
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