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This is replica of what I posted in another smaller thread regarding X1D - wanted to post here but selected other thread by mistake.
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  What I see in many comments here and around internet that many people underestimate what does it mean and focus on current camera limitations and native lens selection.

 From my point of view, this is major breakthrough and this marks beginning of the new era in photography.   

  Some of camera limitation (e.g. only CDAF available) is due to the limitation of the current sensor which is more than 1 years old.  When Sony will release new generation of this sensor with PDAF support then this will be something great – it will be like Sony A7R2 but in MF format.   Even now, current X1D could be great tool for landscapes and architecture using Canon TSE17, which should have  enough image circle coverage for the whole X1D sensor.

 Frankly speaking I am very positively excited about that  and with high probability might buy second generation of X1D with the new Sony BSI stacked PDAF capable sensor with improved high ISO performance.  There so many possibilities are opening with that, especially for low light street photography using appropriate lens.
E.g. if there would be one 35 f1.4 AF lens made for X1D this could open extreme possibilities.

Small correction to my post  above  - Canon TSE17 won't work on X1D as X1D does not have internal shutter and works only with LF lenses. Did not notice that initially.

So had quick look at Hasselblad lenses lineup and found one that could be very useful for low light situation and open  full advantage of light capturing capabilities of the camera sensor.

This is Hasselblad  HC 100mm f/2.2 Lens  http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1245043-REG/hasselblad_h_3026100_hc_100mm_f_2_2_lens.html
This translates to somewhere around   f1.6 on FF sensor.
This could be amazing combo.
This would require adaptor which Hasselblad is planning to provide for their lenses.
Very interesting things are happening.



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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017
« Last post by arcer on June 24, 2016, 12:55:00 PM »


That's the wildcard, isn't it?  Is there enough 'feature space' in the FF market to allow all of these to coexist?


- A

The million dollar question for Canon. :D

Anyway, I have always dreamed of 6D2 going upmarket, but I'm thinking of it being like the FF 80D while the new camera comparable to the rebels but FF.
Maybe it's to satisfy the Good/Better/Best system ;)


Personally?  I think there's more meat on the bone between the 6D and 5D3 today to warrant an additional line between the two if Canon really wanted to flood the market.  I still think an 8D (Rebel FF) is not going to work for a host of reasons.

- A

But yeah, I kind of agree with you. It can make it feel cluttered for the customers.
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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017
« Last post by ahsanford on June 24, 2016, 12:41:47 PM »
I have said many times in my short career as a random CR poster that the 6D2 will go upmarket according to a rumor last year. I will continue to fantasize about it until I'm told wrong by Canon. And as 6D2 become better, we will have a "8D" to become the new rebel FF camera.

That's the wildcard, isn't it?  Is there enough 'feature space' in the FF market to allow all of these to coexist?


8D (or whatever you want to call it): a stripped down 'FF Rebel' with bare bones everything on an EF mount / FF sensor rig -- the 6D going downmarket, as it were.  The original 6D sensor, 1/4000 max shutter, no wifi, no gps, completely nerfed video mode, 9 AF points, 3 fps burst, a tiny viewfinder, no wheel on the back, and no top LCD. --> say $1,199.

6D2:  The current 6D going upmarket:  new sensor, 5-6 fps, give it a pop-up flash, tilty-flippy, wifi/gps, a 'middle' level AF system (20-30 points, neither world-beating nor budget), 1080 video with good options --> say $1,899.

(one could ponder the 6D2 could go even higher upmarket into a $2k-$2500 space with a few critical adds -- a bump to 36 MP, integral 'power zoom' functionality for video, DPAF, etc. if Canon didn't mind threatening 5D4 sales.)


5D4:  Start with the current 5D3 but now at 7-9 fps, new sensor, 4K, anti-flicker, DPAF, best low light performance of anything short of the 1DX2, the '1DX2-ish' AF system (same points, but less power/speed like with the 1DX vs. the 5D3) --> $3,499.

5DS:  As it stands today (too early for a refresh) --> settling in at a 5D4-similar $3,499 spot

Personally?  I think there's more meat on the bone between the 6D and 5D3 today to warrant an additional line between the two if Canon really wanted to flood the market.  I still think an 8D (Rebel FF) is not going to work for a host of reasons.

- A
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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017
« Last post by arcer on June 24, 2016, 12:25:48 PM »
My prediction for the future Canon DSLR lineup
FF
1DX2  -----  Flagship/ Professional Hardcore camera
                   <------------- Probable new DSLR named 3D as video DSLR or new title for high-res studio cameras
5DSR -----  Professional/ Studio
5D3/4 -----  Professional/ All rounder
6D2    -----  Prosumer (Upmarket from 6D)
6D      -----  Entry
                   <------------- Probable new DSLR named 8D as new entry level camera or A7S competitor/ low light camera

APS-C
7D2    -----  Professional/ BIF & Sports-orientated (Cropped Flagship)
80D    -----  Prosumer
100D  -----  Specialized lightweight camera
750D  -----  Consumer
1200D -----  Entry
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Camera Body Gallery / Re: Anything shot with a 1DX II
« Last post by Jack Douglas on June 24, 2016, 12:23:59 PM »
Very nice shot, Eldar.

Very nice, last preferred.  And to think I once again declined and am bumped to the end of the pre-order list (cameras are coming more rapidly now though).  At this moment I'm cutting granite for an outdoor planter. :(

Jack
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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« Last post by Eldar on June 24, 2016, 12:20:31 PM »
Nice hawk Alan!

I was out, looking for a very very rare kingfisher, at least here in Norway. I briefly saw it, amongst all the leaves, but was unable to get a decent shot. Instead I got a fishing Red-breasted merganser. Very cool bird, but to swallow a flounder was too much for her.

This is shot with the 1DX-II and the 600 f4L IS II + 2xIII extender. I posted a couple of others over on the 1DX-II thread. It is of great help to be able to use all AF points, also at f8.0. It makes framing and following a subject so much easier.
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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« Last post by AlanF on June 24, 2016, 12:14:12 PM »
A sparrowhawk sitting above my bird feeders this afternoon. Sigma 150-600mm at f/6.3, 1/100s 600mm and 5DS R hand held. Fortunately, I didn't see any feathers.
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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017
« Last post by arcer on June 24, 2016, 11:59:34 AM »
Improved sensors are always nice, but what I miss the most in features on the current 6D is a tilt screen. I do a lot of macro at ground level using live view magnification for fine-tuned focus - I really miss the 60D tilt screen.

If the 6D2 is moving upmarket as was famously alleged (perhaps to run along side the 'affordable all-arounder' that is the D750), a tilt-screen seems a very high probability.

If the 6D2 will remain the affordable 'entry' FF rig...  I was going to say no tilty-flippy, but I just think it will have it regardless of where it's positioned. 

It's a enthusiast/prosumer rig that isn't going to cover warzones or polar expeditions.  I think it's getting a tilty-flippy.  I very well could be wrong.

- A

I would love a tilty-flippy for the 6D2 too, not an articulating one.

I have said many times in my short career as a random CR poster that the 6D2 will go upmarket according to a rumor last year. I will continue to fantasize about it until I'm told wrong by Canon. And as 6D2 become better, we will have a "8D" to become the new rebel FF camera.
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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017
« Last post by ahsanford on June 24, 2016, 11:29:19 AM »
That maybe your opinion but when it comes to the general public and camera stores they do compare the 6D to the D610 or the 5D MKIII to the D810 as do many reviewers, don't take my word for it just search the web.

Oh, I agree, but that's because of price.  Compare the features and a 5D3 is much more of a D750 competitor today. 

I think the 'drift' of the segments over the last few years, including:

  • Wildly different refresh timelines (Canon = glacial, Nikon = average, Sony = cocaine-fueled)
  • The introduction of the 'affordable all-arounder' segment with the D750
  • The bracing A-bomb of a 50 MP offering (regardless of whether it's only 'good' and not 'D810 good' in sensor tests)
  • Sony making a concerted effort with a low res / video / low light monster product line

Says that the companies' don't feel a compulsion to punch-back with identically spec'd rigs in pre-ordained segments. 

This very well may be a good thing.  Companies are trying to stand out rather than say 'yeah we have that, too'.

- A
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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017
« Last post by ahsanford on June 24, 2016, 11:18:33 AM »
Improved sensors are always nice, but what I miss the most in features on the current 6D is a tilt screen. I do a lot of macro at ground level using live view magnification for fine-tuned focus - I really miss the 60D tilt screen.

If the 6D2 is moving upmarket as was famously alleged (perhaps to run along side the 'affordable all-arounder' that is the D750), a tilt-screen seems a very high probability.

If the 6D2 will remain the affordable 'entry' FF rig...  I was going to say no tilty-flippy, but I just think it will have it regardless of where it's positioned. 

It's a enthusiast/prosumer rig that isn't going to cover warzones or polar expeditions.  I think it's getting a tilty-flippy.  I very well could be wrong.

- A
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