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Industry News / Re: A Few Nikon D5 Specifications
« Last post by 9VIII on Today at 01:37:43 AM »
Hi,
   173 AF points?? WOW... must be quite a spectacular view when view through the viewfinder when all the points turn on...  :o

   Have a nice day.

Not necessarily.
Which brings up an interesting point about marketing and practicality.
The 5D2 had 9 AF points that you could see, but 15 in total. So you had an un-cluttered viewfinder, but for marketing purposes it looked like a worse system than the competing systems with dots all over the place.

I'm tempted to say that Canon should go back to using hidden AF assist points rather than displaying the full number.
Also, I wish they would have focused on adding more f8 capable AF points rather than just increasing the total, it seems to me that such a thing would improve reliability as much as just plastering the screen in more points. But who knows, maybe they have both.
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You might consider what I often do for white dresses/shirts and teeth: local brush, de-saturate to desired level.

That said, on my calibrated IPS monitor, the flower you posted seems pretty white to me. I would not have noticed any off-putting colors had this been a "Post your best flower shots" thread. :) The yellow spill seems to go well with (and probably comes from) the pollen. Of course, I wasn't there and have no idea what it looked like in person. :P

Will be fun to fool with the RAW files if you post them...
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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Sony A7s II - THE DSLR Killer?
« Last post by benperrin on Today at 12:53:30 AM »
Amusing to see the same rants and flames going on.

Look at the bigger picture, Sony are pushing boundaries of camera tech, good luck to them. Hopefully other manufacturers will get a spanking and up their game making it better for everyone.

The biggest issues I have with the A7 series is the lack of dual card slots, build quality and compressed raw files. Mines already got issues 4 weeks into ownership.

But it's something I'm willing to live with in a few cases as only this camera will do the job I need it to. Like 135L handheld in a church at 1/60 sec.

Each to their own.
What issues have you had with them? This is one thing I'm unsure of. My 5dsr is taking ages (or at least it feels like it) to come in so I considered cancelling and getting the a7rII. I made a list of pros and cons and decided that the 5dsr was a better fit for me but I'd love to hear more about the ergonomics and potential issues the Sony's might have as I'll probably add one to my collection at some point.
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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D or 5ds
« Last post by 3kramd5 on Today at 12:42:40 AM »

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The low light capability has come in handy multiple times. There have been times I have taken the 6D and have run into it being too slow for the moment.

Sounds like the 5DS wouldn't be a good fit then. The 6D has excellent high-ISO performance. The 5DS offers vastly increased resolution, but the tradeoff is one stop worse high ISO ability (similar to the 7D2). You would take a step back in this regard. If you shoot a lot at high ISO, this is NOT the camera for you. (Also factor in the higher shutter speeds needed with the 5DS to get sharp shots at full res - demands more light/higher ISO too.)

6D/5D3 @ 6400 = 5DS @ 2500/3200. (Note: having said that, in some shots enough detail is captured that you can apply enough noise reduction to get it down to 6D level and maintain similar levels of detail....but then again, why bother with the 5DS then?)

For general shooting, I would go for a 5D3 (and that's what I use myself). Maybe wait to see what the 5D4 offers if you must have the latest.

Also, after playing around with a 5DS at the store, it seems you really do need the latest/sharpest lenses to take full advantage of all 50MP. Mostly primes - the 100 Macro and the 50 Art (Sigma) were the only two lenses that I felt really did the camera justice. As far as zooms, the 70-300L was just OK and the 24-105 and 70-200 were awful. And all three of those lenses are decent performers on the 6D!

Not to be rude, but do you have the 5Ds, or did you just play around with it at the store?  Because everything you said about it was pretty much wrong.  And I hate to see misinformation given to someone asking for advice.

First, the noise is better than the 7D2 at high ISO.  You're forgetting that yes the pixels are the same size, the 5Ds has a larger sensor.  I agree the CFA is stronger though because I notice the colors are better so that may reduce some of the QE.

Your comments regarding the lenses are not correct either.  We've had tons of discussions on this topic and it still appears people aren't understanding.  You will always gain resolution.  Crappy lens on 5Ds still produces more detail than same lens on 5D3.  Period.  No exceptions.  And what 70-200 lens are you talking about?  Hopefully not the v2 IS lens.

You didn't mention that the AF system is every bit as good as the 5D3's too.

Is high ISO as good as 5D3 or 6D?  No, of course not.  But at least the OP has all the facts now.

Never said I had the 5DS, thought I was clear when I said I was just testing it out.

As for comparison of noise levels, I meant at pixel level. But here's where you (the OP) can investigate the difference with your own eyes and be the judge:

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-eos-5ds-sr/5

You can select camera models and compare.

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Honestly, it does appear to me that the 5DS has slightly more noise than the 7D2 BUT the pattern is finer (smoother), colors are better and detail is greater, making the 5DS result more pleasing to the eye.

And in terms of resolution, yes, you can pull out more resolution on the 5DS than the 6D/5D3 regardless of lens. The worse the lens, the smaller the resolution difference will be (Lens Rentals has a good write-up here http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2015/06/canon-5ds-and-5ds-r-initial-resolution-tests). But the point I'm getting at is this: if you are going to take full advantage of the camera's resolution -  if you blow your images up to 100%, crop heavily and/or print big - then you are going to want high quality lenses...there's really no getting around that TBH. LR showed the increase in resolution with the 50 1.4 (a mediocre copy, apparently) to be 20% on the 5DS over the 5D3...but your image size goes up accordingly by almost 51%...meaning that IF you view your image at 100%, it will appear softer on the 5DS. But if you downsize the 5DS pic to 5D3 resolution, it should be sharper than the native 5D3 shot. Depends on what you want I guess. Also, image processing times will be longer as well (if you shoot RAW).

The 70-200 was the 2.8 IS, original version. (They didn't have version 2 unfortunately, I'm sure that would have been significantly better)

Did you have a memory card or were you just reviewing photos on the screen?

The statement (paraphrased) "you need the best lenses to take full advantage of a sensor" is true for all sensors. Likewise the statement "you need the best sensor to take full advantage of a lens" is true. System resolution is a function of both.
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16-80 is a good focal length range.

On FF it would be 18-120.

If it was decent at the two extremes, that'd be a damn useful walk around lens!
This Nikon DX lens would be equivalent to a 24-120mm lens full frame. A zoom range "does it all" quite interesting.

Err, yes, you're right. Brain fart there.

And what's more, Nikon does have a 24-120/f4 VR:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/729948-USA/Nikon_2193_AF_S_NIKKOR_24_120mm_f_4G.html

Except that it is optically not very good:
http://www.photozone.de/nikon_ff/574-nikkorafs24120f4vrff?start=2
... worse than Canon's 24-105/f4....
http://www.photozone.de/canon_eos_ff/420-canon_24105_4_5d?start=1
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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D or 5ds
« Last post by Act444 on July 02, 2015, 11:55:40 PM »

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The low light capability has come in handy multiple times. There have been times I have taken the 6D and have run into it being too slow for the moment.

Sounds like the 5DS wouldn't be a good fit then. The 6D has excellent high-ISO performance. The 5DS offers vastly increased resolution, but the tradeoff is one stop worse high ISO ability (similar to the 7D2). You would take a step back in this regard. If you shoot a lot at high ISO, this is NOT the camera for you. (Also factor in the higher shutter speeds needed with the 5DS to get sharp shots at full res - demands more light/higher ISO too.)

6D/5D3 @ 6400 = 5DS @ 2500/3200. (Note: having said that, in some shots enough detail is captured that you can apply enough noise reduction to get it down to 6D level and maintain similar levels of detail....but then again, why bother with the 5DS then?)

For general shooting, I would go for a 5D3 (and that's what I use myself). Maybe wait to see what the 5D4 offers if you must have the latest.

Also, after playing around with a 5DS at the store, it seems you really do need the latest/sharpest lenses to take full advantage of all 50MP. Mostly primes - the 100 Macro and the 50 Art (Sigma) were the only two lenses that I felt really did the camera justice. As far as zooms, the 70-300L was just OK and the 24-105 and 70-200 were awful. And all three of those lenses are decent performers on the 6D!

Not to be rude, but do you have the 5Ds, or did you just play around with it at the store?  Because everything you said about it was pretty much wrong.  And I hate to see misinformation given to someone asking for advice.

First, the noise is better than the 7D2 at high ISO.  You're forgetting that yes the pixels are the same size, the 5Ds has a larger sensor.  I agree the CFA is stronger though because I notice the colors are better so that may reduce some of the QE.

Your comments regarding the lenses are not correct either.  We've had tons of discussions on this topic and it still appears people aren't understanding.  You will always gain resolution.  Crappy lens on 5Ds still produces more detail than same lens on 5D3.  Period.  No exceptions.  And what 70-200 lens are you talking about?  Hopefully not the v2 IS lens.

You didn't mention that the AF system is every bit as good as the 5D3's too.

Is high ISO as good as 5D3 or 6D?  No, of course not.  But at least the OP has all the facts now.

Never said I had the 5DS, thought I was clear when I said I was just testing it out.

As for comparison of noise levels, I meant at pixel level. But here's where you (the OP) can investigate the difference with your own eyes and be the judge:

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-eos-5ds-sr/5

You can select camera models and compare.

_________________
Honestly, it does appear to me that the 5DS has slightly more noise than the 7D2 BUT the pattern is finer (smoother), colors are better and detail is greater, making the 5DS result more pleasing to the eye.

And in terms of resolution, yes, you can pull out more resolution on the 5DS than the 6D/5D3 regardless of lens. The worse the lens, the smaller the resolution difference will be (Lens Rentals has a good write-up here http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2015/06/canon-5ds-and-5ds-r-initial-resolution-tests). But the point I'm getting at is this: if you are going to take full advantage of the camera's resolution -  if you blow your images up to 100%, crop heavily and/or print big - then you are going to want high quality lenses...there's really no getting around that TBH. LR showed the increase in resolution with the 50 1.4 (a mediocre copy, apparently) to be 20% on the 5DS over the 5D3...but your image size goes up accordingly by almost 51%...meaning that IF you view your image at 100%, it will appear softer on the 5DS. But if you downsize the 5DS pic to 5D3 resolution, it should be sharper than the native 5D3 shot. Depends on what you want I guess. Also, image processing times will be longer as well (if you shoot RAW).

The 70-200 was the 2.8 IS, original version. (They didn't have version 2 unfortunately, I'm sure that would have been significantly better)
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Canon General / Re: Yet another "what would you do" question
« Last post by rpt on July 02, 2015, 11:45:04 PM »
Yup from me too. You will not regret getting the 100L macro.
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What is that streak across the frame, was there something in front of the lens?
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Industry News / Re: Nikon: World's lightest 500mm and 600mm
« Last post by arbitrage on July 02, 2015, 11:41:06 PM »
If Nikon really wants to match Canon, they will now take two more years before they start shipping.

True...I probably should have said welcome to late 2012...that is when I finally got my 600II after pre-ordering in March.
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Reviews / Re: Review - Canon EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6L IS
« Last post by cycleraw on July 02, 2015, 10:55:11 PM »
As always Dustin has done a great review but my experience with the 70-300 L wasn't great and I ended up selling it.  Image quality was outstanding but I found the AF speed very disappointing.  I have owned the 70-200 2.8L II for few years and have recently purchased the 100-400 4.5-5.6L II and find that the AF speed and accuracy on both of those lenses much better than the 70-300 L.  If someone is considering the 70-300 L for wildlife I would strongly recommend the 100-400 L II over it for the greater reach, AF speed and IS.
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