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Lenses / Re: 100-400L IS I vs 400L/5.6 for beginner wildlife/birds/sports
« Last post by FEBS on Today at 10:44:14 AM »
I think the point is that the 2xIII is lighter than the 100-400, i.e. take 70-200/2.8 and 2x instead of 70-200/2.8 and 100-400.  My travel zoom is usually a compromise (70-300L), but on trips when I was taking the 70-200 II, I would toss in the 2x 'just in case' whereas I would not take both the 70-200 and the 100-400. 


Neuro,

Of course, if you compare the 70-200 and 100-400 against the 70-200 and 2xIII extender. Then the last has for sure a weight advantage. I understood however as travelling light as taking one lens in that case, and then I would definitely go for the 100-400 seen as a birder/wildlife. I would not propose the 70-200 + 2x combo to a wildlife/birder as a starter. There the 100-400 or the 400/5.6 seems a better choice. A you know, you always want more mm after some time. If you don't focus specifically on wildlife/birds, then the 70-200 + 2x would be a better choice, but this thread is about a wildlife/birds/sports beginner.

Francois

Nice photo of that combo  anyway :)
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Have you thought about buying the 2x MkIII converter for the 70-200? That will give you about the same focal length as the 100-400 at the same aperture. Art Morris (one of the top bird photographers) uses that combo a fair bit when he is travelling light.
For OP his question concerning 100-400I or 400/5.6. Hard to give the right direction. The missing IS on the 400/5.6 is not the big issue. You need higher shutterspeed for 400mm, and that's for both lenses. For wildlife and birds, the 400/5.6 would be great, for sports however, the distance to the action (indoor)  might give you the need to go for the 100-400. Outside, you can zoom by your feet :). The 100-400I has a lot of sharpness variations between the existing copies. If you don't want sports in the inside, for which is the 7D not the most appropriate, I would recommend the 400/5.6 unless you can really test the 100-400 zoom and see if that copy is really sharp.

Francois

Unless its birds in flight, I am almost always using IS. This photo was taken at 1/20 at 600mm which there is no way I could have done with out.

To OP. What ever option you decide, personally, I would make sure it has IS.
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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Free 1DX2 AF guide from Canon
« Last post by Viggo on Today at 10:34:34 AM »

Thanks! Yeah, and another weird thing is I can touch the screen to move the af point, but I can't focus that way it seems, I still have to focus with the normal AF-ON button. I would rather have it focus where I touch the screen directly.

Page 283 of the manual says you can touch focus in LiveView but not trigger the shutter

Thanks for the tip, but it doesn't work, it will not focus until I hit the AF-on button....

Hi Viggo,
I just had a look at my 1DxII and it seems the "problem" is BBF: When I have metering AND AF on my shutter button live view focussing works using touch. When I have only metering put on the shutter button I can choose an AF field using touch but it will only start focussing when I hit the AF ON button...

Hope that helps and enjoy your new camera :)

-Sebastian

Yes! I JUST realized that myself also. What a ridiculous way of doing it, what's the problem of having touch af enabled no matter which button I normally use for AF??
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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Free 1DX2 AF guide from Canon
« Last post by LordofTackle on Today at 10:26:57 AM »

Thanks! Yeah, and another weird thing is I can touch the screen to move the af point, but I can't focus that way it seems, I still have to focus with the normal AF-ON button. I would rather have it focus where I touch the screen directly.

Page 283 of the manual says you can touch focus in LiveView but not trigger the shutter

Thanks for the tip, but it doesn't work, it will not focus until I hit the AF-on button....

Hi Viggo,
I just had a look at my 1DxII and it seems the "problem" is BBF: When I have metering AND AF on my shutter button live view focussing works using touch. When I have only metering put on the shutter button I can choose an AF field using touch but it will only start focussing when I hit the AF ON button...

Hope that helps and enjoy your new camera :)

-Sebastian
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Have you thought about buying the 2x MkIII converter for the 70-200? That will give you about the same focal length as the 100-400 at the same aperture. Art Morris (one of the top bird photographers) uses that combo a fair bit when he is travelling light.

Really ??

The 70-200 II is almost the same weight as the 100-400 II. So the weight of the extender is on top of that. Also the 70-200II with 2xIII extender is not that good. Image quality is much better of the 100-400II.

I think the point is that the 2xIII is lighter than the 100-400, i.e. take 70-200/2.8 and 2x instead of 70-200/2.8 and 100-400.  My travel zoom is usually a compromise (70-300L), but on trips when I was taking the 70-200 II, I would toss in the 2x 'just in case' whereas I would not take both the 70-200 and the 100-400. 

The IQ of the 70-200/2.8L IS II with the 2x is practically the same as the original 100-400 (yes, the 100-400 II is better, but also much more expensive if you already have the 70-200).  The real trade off is that the 70-200+2x is longer and more cumbersome, but OTOH the combo is weather sealed whereas the original 100-400 is not.  Here's a shot with the 7D + 70-200 and 2x (MkII verison, the MkIII is slightly better, optically), for comparison to the above.

"Eastern Towhee"

EOS 7D, EF 70-200mm f/2.8L II IS USM + EF 2x II Extender @ 400mm, 1/160 s, f/5.6, ISO 3200
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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Free 1DX2 AF guide from Canon
« Last post by Viggo on Today at 10:09:39 AM »

Thanks! Yeah, and another weird thing is I can touch the screen to move the af point, but I can't focus that way it seems, I still have to focus with the normal AF-ON button. I would rather have it focus where I touch the screen directly.

Page 283 of the manual says you can touch focus in LiveView but not trigger the shutter

Thanks for the tip, but it doesn't work, it will not focus until I hit the AF-on button....
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Lenses / Re: 100-400L IS I vs 400L/5.6 for beginner wildlife/birds/sports
« Last post by FEBS on Today at 10:02:46 AM »
Have you thought about buying the 2x MkIII converter for the 70-200? That will give you about the same focal length as the 100-400 at the same aperture. Art Morris (one of the top bird photographers) uses that combo a fair bit when he is travelling light.

Really ??

The 70-200 II is almost the same weight as the 100-400 II. So the weight of the extender is on top of that. Also the 70-200II with 2xIII extender is not that good. Image quality is much better of the 100-400II. So, the only gap is 70-100 then but that seems no problem to me. When I want to travel light I take my 5Diii, the 16-35f4 and the 100-400II. If possible I add the 24-105.

A bird photographer that wants to travel light should only look to the 100-400II, and if f8 is working for the body, a 1.4xIII extender perhaps. But a 70-200 for bird photography with a 2x extender is not the right choice. THe 1.4xIII extender will give decent result from the otherhand. After I bought the 100-400II, my 70-200 stays on the shelf, hardly ever used since that moment, unless low-light conditions or portrait.

For sports the 70-200II has the advantage of the f2.8 to stop the action.

For OP his question concerning 100-400I or 400/5.6. Hard to give the right direction. The missing IS on the 400/5.6 is not the big issue. You need higher shutterspeed for 400mm, and that's for both lenses. For wildlife and birds, the 400/5.6 would be great, for sports however, the distance to the action (indoor)  might give you the need to go for the 100-400. Outside, you can zoom by your feet :). The 100-400I has a lot of sharpness variations between the existing copies. If you don't want sports in the inside, for which is the 7D not the most appropriate, I would recommend the 400/5.6 unless you can really test the 100-400 zoom and see if that copy is really sharp.

Francois
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Highly recommend the 100-400 (MkI) lens, pairs wonderfully with the 7D.  The 400/5.6 is a great lens for BIF (birds in flight) where the high shutter speeds obviate IS.  But for perched birds where you can use a slower shutter, the IS is a great benefit (especially with an APS-C sensor where high ISO is more noisy).  The shorter minimum focus distance if the 100-400 can also be a big advantage, and for me, the fact that it collapses to a shorter length is a major plus.  The IQ of the 100-400 is very good, the only potential downside is a somewhat 'nervous' bokeh with complex backgrounds (e.g. a bird in a thicket).

Before switching to a 1D X + 600/4 II, I used the 7D + 100-400L combo for birds and wildlife, and I was quite pleased with the results.

"Red-Winged Blackbird's Landing"

EOS 7D, EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM @ 400mm, 1/1600 s, f/6.3, ISO 1600

"Yellow Warbler"

EOS 7D, EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM @ 400mm, 1/640 s, f/5.6, ISO 125

"Bird's Eye View"

EOS 7D, EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM @ 400mm, 1/640 s, f/5.6, ISO 160

"Mockingbird's Glare"

EOS 7D, EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM @ 400mm, 1/640 s, f/5.6, ISO 200

"Riverbank Roughhousing"

EOS 7D, EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM @ 400mm, 1/500 s, f/6.3, ISO 500
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Landscape / Re: Beautiful sunsets
« Last post by TWI by Dustin Abbott on Today at 09:51:34 AM »


Lovely series of images!
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Landscape / Re: Beautiful sunsets
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