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6D with 3 flavor + Improve AF (compare to 5dm2)
« on: October 14, 2012, 01:47:10 PM »
Hi,

I'm casual photographer and currently using 550d, sigma 30 f1.4, canon 85 f1.8, 24-105L, 430 EX2 and YN-560 II. I'm planning to upgrade to FF and my target is 5dm2. After announcement of 6D and D600 i plan to wait first and have read lot of 6D vs D600 spec comparison. Some say D600 have better spec and 6D wifi+gps is marketing gimmick only. So, there will be at least 3 flavor to choose and hopefully the basic 6D will be $1900.

Maybe 6D basic =1900, +GPS= 2000, +GPS+wifi=2100

Possible?

And the centre AF point will be cross (+) f5.6 with additional line f2.8 (I) and much better AI Servo (with custom tracking as 7d,5dm3) compare to 5dm2





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6D with 3 flavor + Improve AF (compare to 5dm2)
« on: October 14, 2012, 01:47:10 PM »

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Re: 6D with 3 flavor + Improve AF (compare to 5dm2)
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2012, 02:28:33 PM »
You can't go wrong with either a 5D2 or 6D. If you don't mind waiting, get a 6D.

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Re: 6D with 3 flavor + Improve AF (compare to 5dm2)
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2012, 03:49:09 PM »
Almost the same story here. I own a 550D, 18-55mm F/3.5-5.6 IS, 50mm F/1.8 II, 70-200mm F/4L IS and a Speedlite 580EX II. Also looking forward to a Fullframe body. I must admit that I'm disappointed with the 6D specs. I was at least expecting all focuspoints to be crosstype and a 100% coverage viewfinder. The Nikon D600 is a lot more interesting, but I hate selling all my gear and I just can't say goodbye to my 70-200m F/4L IS since no other brand has an alternative for it.
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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2012, 04:50:57 PM »
I'd suggest wait for the 6D if you can however, there will be some bargains available on the 5d II once 6d is released.

If you are seriously considering the D600 then it might be worth renting both (once avilable) over a couple of weekends to give you a good comparison.

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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2012, 06:24:59 PM »
As far as I can see there will only be one 6D model variant on sale in early-December that will have built-in WiFi + GPS as standard. Whether or not you see these as gimmicks may depend on your shooting style, for instance, if you like to take candid shots or remotely (can use your smartphone to view, trigger etc.) or if you like to take photos out and about (landscape etc.). I would wait until just before Christmas, then check out the reviews of the new 6D vs old 5D2 and make your decision then, but wait till early-January to make your purchase as typically this is when best prices/rebates offered on bodies.

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Re: 6D with 3 flavor + Improve AF (compare to 5dm2)
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2012, 12:00:26 AM »

I think Canon really built this 6D for rebels user upgrading to FF. Cheapest option to me is used 5d (2005-2008). But I need movie function for my 3yo daughter (my reason for 550d), so 5d is out. (d700 too) ;)

5dm2 should be enough for me (mostly took Landscape & Portrait Photography). My only concern is 5dm2 AI Servo AF when taking candid photo of my daughter. With my 550d, keeper is very low. I think 5dm2 got little advantage with additional 6 AF assist during AI Servo.

Then came 6D,
-with native ISO 100-25600 (as 5dm3) compare to 100-6400 in 5dm2.
-centre cross AF f5.6 and vertical line f2.8 compare to centre (f2.8 line and f5.6 line) in 5dm2. (as i only use centre point only).
-AF -3 EV compare to -0.5 EV in 5dm2
-AI Servo with tracking sensitivity as 7d, 5dm3 compare to default in 5dm2
-AFMA with wide and tele value each for zoom lens compare only 1 value in 5dm2

and I plan to get the basic flavor with no gps, no wifi (cheapest maybe?)

And for all this reason, i cancel for jump ship and looking foward for full real world review of 6D.


PS: table that i attach in my 1st post is from here:

http://www.canon.com.my/personal/products/interchangeable-lens-camera/dslr-eos/eos-6d?languageCode=EN#specificationAnchor

So i'm so sure 6D will sell with 3 flavor !!! 8)

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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2012, 12:57:38 AM »
Uh, I doubt this is an error isince it's written on an official canon site, but why malaysia.. only time will tell.. It suprises me a lot. It says there will be 2 not 3 variant.. One without GPS and WIFI. if it can cut the price by 150-250$ it would be great!
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2012, 03:05:43 AM »
3 variant is based on table 2. Or maybe only 2 variant and the 3rd one is typping error??

Another feature that i guess in 6D is support STM lens (EF 40 f2.8 STM) where it employs "Stepping Motor Technology". Which allows the lens to focus very quietly and useful in movie capture. AFIK, AF in video mode body dependant with only the 650D allowing for it. But the pancake is EF lens not EFs. So if this prosumer 6D don't support STM, which FF model will support this prosumer lens?


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Re: 6D with 3 flavor + Improve AF (compare to 5dm2)
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2012, 03:31:27 AM »
whatever it comes out as I am willing to bet it wont take long for prices to drop sharply on these babies, definately would not want to be a bleeding edge first adopter on them.
for anyone that only uses center point AF ala 5d mk1 and mk2 then I think AF will be fine,
personally the liberation that has come with the 5Dmk3 AF for me was well worth the additional cost
however anyone that thinks the 6D AF will be any less limiting than the 5D 1&2 AF will be pretty disappointed I think. the other benefit of these coming out is used 5Dmk2 prices should go down too which should be good for those looking to buy, for me i wont sell my 5Dmk2s i'll just keep them as backups or loaners to second shooters. just not worth selling and they still take fantastic images
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Re: 6D with 3 flavor + Improve AF (compare to 5dm2)
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2012, 04:24:43 AM »
there is only one 6D model ... not three models.
if there would be three models i guess they had told me on photokina.

but i like the idea... as long as it makes the 6D as much cheaper as canon charges for a WIFI grip.   :)
« Last Edit: October 15, 2012, 04:29:02 AM by Canon-F1 »
6D, 5D MK2, 7D, 550D... a lot of Glass.

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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2012, 06:31:07 AM »
Almost the same story here. I own a 550D, 18-55mm F/3.5-5.6 IS, 50mm F/1.8 II, 70-200mm F/4L IS and a Speedlite EX580 II. Also looking forward to a Fullframe body. I must admit that I'm disappointed with the 6D specs. I was at least expecting all focuspoints to be crosstype and a 100% coverage viewfinder. The Nikon D600 is a lot more interesting, but I hate selling all my gear and I just can't say goodbye to my 70-200m F/4L IS since no other brand has an alternative for it.

Same story here. 550D + Sigma 17-50 2.8 + 50 1.8 + 70-200 IS F4. I sold my Canon 10-22 and 24-105 cause i was going to upgrade to FF but very disappointed with the 6D spec. I will need to look at the review before deciding 6D or 5D mark 3.

I can afford the 5d mark 3 but i rather save those money and get some L lenses.

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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2012, 07:44:55 AM »
This might be marketed at countries with regulations on wifi, gps and signal transmission. It may be that the US gets the full version only and thus the highest priced model of the 3.

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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2012, 11:03:41 AM »
People, stop crapping on the 6D!!! Those who are "disappointed" without ever having shot a single frame with this camera are just being foolish. There is no way that Canon would build a camera that is worse than a four-year old model like the 5DII. Seriously, Canon is not stupid. They want to sell quality. Assuming that the AF is going to be bad based on the number of cross-type points is crazy. Billions upon billions of photos have been shot on 5DII's with it's admittedly mediocre AF. But to assume that a modern camera like the 6D won't be an order of magnitude better based on a spec sheet is just plain crazy.
Wait for some real-world tests by actual photographers - not gadget guides like Engadget or their ilk but people who actually make their living with photos and video - and then decide. In the meantime, quit prowling the fora and go take some pictures with what you already have. Become a better photographer. Then maybe you'll be able to make a truly informed decision.
Stop hating on cameras - or anything else for that matter - based on numbers on a website. If after shooting with the 6D you still feel the same way, then feel free to hate away.

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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2012, 11:03:41 AM »

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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2012, 12:06:22 PM »
Had a chance to play with the 6D a little at the Exposure show in Toronto yesterday. Although the card slots were NOT glued over, I didn't have a card with me to bring back files to peak at...

However, the AF worked quite well. I was able to lock focus on the rafters, which were VERY dark, instantly with the 70-200mm. It worked almost as fast with the 24-105mm.

I was going to drop the money a 5d mk ii, but after holding it my hand and playing around...I think I'll be saving up a few more pennies and getting the 6D after the early adopters run through the first batches and the price drops a little.

Solid camera that fills a gap and updates on the 5d mk ii' abilities.

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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2012, 12:35:28 PM »
People, stop crapping on the 6D!!! Those who are "disappointed" without ever having shot a single frame with this camera are just being foolish. There is no way that Canon would build a camera that is worse than a four-year old model like the 5DII. Seriously, Canon is not stupid. They want to sell quality. Assuming that the AF is going to be bad based on the number of cross-type points is crazy. Billions upon billions of photos have been shot on 5DII's with it's admittedly mediocre AF. But to assume that a modern camera like the 6D won't be an order of magnitude better based on a spec sheet is just plain crazy.
Wait for some real-world tests by actual photographers - not gadget guides like Engadget or their ilk but people who actually make their living with photos and video - and then decide. In the meantime, quit prowling the fora and go take some pictures with what you already have. Become a better photographer. Then maybe you'll be able to make a truly informed decision.
Stop hating on cameras - or anything else for that matter - based on numbers on a website. If after shooting with the 6D you still feel the same way, then feel free to hate away.

So people can't be disappointed with the spec? I can't rent the 6D when it's out so i will have to base of the spec now and review later before buying it. I know i won't be able to fully use the 6D but as a consumer, I would like to spend my money on the best possible product. I am disappointed with the 6D spec because it doesn't even have 7D's AF, which i don't think it's too much to ask. Moreover, the specs are worst than D600. Not that D600 is the best cause it has its downside but it looks to me 6D and D600 specs are very far away. That is why I am waiting for a proper review for 6D before deciding.

I have a feeling that Canon is holding up a lot of their technologies. They are slowly releasing bits and pieces while other manufacturers are releasing bigger updates/upgrades. Canon thinks that they can do this because they are leading the industry. I just hope other manufacturers will catch up and make Canon competitive again.

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