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Re: Review - Tamron 85mm f/1.8 Di VC USD
« Reply #45 on: May 17, 2016, 10:12:20 PM »
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But that aside, I shoot headshots and weddings so I know my 85's like the back of my hand and the Tamron does fall short of the Canon 85's, at least on my 5DSr's and it did under expose on the 5D3. The first Tamron was really bad, the second copy was a bit better but certain scenes really went all over the place.
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I wonder if the issue with the 5D3 is that the 5D3 thinks it is a lens other than it is and has a T-stop that is wider than the Tamron's T-stop and therefore sets the exposure based on that? But that's easy to compensate for once you're aware of it.

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Does that make it a useless lens? Nope. Just I value focus speed and accuracy over IQ which means when I do couple portraits I use the L series and when I run and gun at a wedding I use the 1.8 USM - I was hoping to replace both with the Tamron but it just can't keep up. It's not like I just gave up on it either, I bought two after all and micro adjusted the lenses.

I try to like the 85/1.8 USM but the CA really kills it for me.
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Re: Review - Tamron 85mm f/1.8 Di VC USD
« Reply #45 on: May 17, 2016, 10:12:20 PM »

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Re: Review - Tamron 85mm f/1.8 Di VC USD
« Reply #46 on: May 18, 2016, 09:46:06 AM »
So, as far as AF speed is concerned Canon 85/1.8 is still in a class of its own?

I wouldn't say so.  With the VC turned off the Tamron is every bit as fast.

Oh really? And how does the VC affect focus speed? Could you please elaborate a little bit?

I'm very happy with the Canon 85mm f/1.8, however it would be nice to have a lens with a little more natural punch in it's IQ but I'd be loath to lose the very fast and accurate focus.

As I describe in the review, the lens tends to arrive at focus but hesitate for a split second before locking.  Turning the VC seems to eliminate that, so it makes me think that it is intentional to allow the VC to fully engage and "settle" so that the image quality is not affected.  Turning the VC off speeds up focus be eliminating the hesitation.  The actual focus speed is very fast and quiet on the lens.

My apologies, I haven't read your review (yet) as I've been a bit busy. Thanks for humoring me and reiterating what was probably very clearly stated in your review.  ;)

As a novice user of the Tamron 150-600 I have noticed similar experiences. The VC system is very good and does allow a number of stops of compensation. However the small delay to kick in can be a minor pain, depending on the shooting conditions. I also don't have the "panning" firmware so trying to track a moving subject has caused missed shots with the VC fighting the moving lens. Not to completely highjack a thread here, but has anyone taken the time to send their lens in for the firmware upgrade? And is it worth it?

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Re: Review - Tamron 85mm f/1.8 Di VC USD
« Reply #47 on: May 18, 2016, 11:48:07 AM »
Just placed my order for this lens! Will see how it performs on my 5D3 and 6D.

Excited!

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Re: Review - Tamron 85mm f/1.8 Di VC USD
« Reply #48 on: May 18, 2016, 04:53:08 PM »
So, as far as AF speed is concerned Canon 85/1.8 is still in a class of its own?

I wouldn't say so.  With the VC turned off the Tamron is every bit as fast.

Oh really? And how does the VC affect focus speed? Could you please elaborate a little bit?

I'm very happy with the Canon 85mm f/1.8, however it would be nice to have a lens with a little more natural punch in it's IQ but I'd be loath to lose the very fast and accurate focus.

As I describe in the review, the lens tends to arrive at focus but hesitate for a split second before locking.  Turning the VC seems to eliminate that, so it makes me think that it is intentional to allow the VC to fully engage and "settle" so that the image quality is not affected.  Turning the VC off speeds up focus be eliminating the hesitation.  The actual focus speed is very fast and quiet on the lens.

My apologies, I haven't read your review (yet) as I've been a bit busy. Thanks for humoring me and reiterating what was probably very clearly stated in your review.  ;)

As a novice user of the Tamron 150-600 I have noticed similar experiences. The VC system is very good and does allow a number of stops of compensation. However the small delay to kick in can be a minor pain, depending on the shooting conditions. I also don't have the "panning" firmware so trying to track a moving subject has caused missed shots with the VC fighting the moving lens. Not to completely highjack a thread here, but has anyone taken the time to send their lens in for the firmware upgrade? And is it worth it?

I sent my 150-600 in for the firmware upgrade some time ago.  It worked fine for me, and made me feel much better about choosing the Tamron rather than waiting for the Sigma 150-600 C, especially after reading Dustin's reports about the focusing issues he had with the Sigma.  My advice is to send it in.  The only cost is shipping one way, and they get it in and out of their shop in about 2 days.  I was without mine for about a week.

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Re: Review - Tamron 85mm f/1.8 Di VC USD
« Reply #49 on: May 19, 2016, 05:02:01 AM »
I have a Canon 85mm f/1.8 and it's probably my least used lens because of its purple fringing issues.

This Tamron is very tempting but I'm concerned about the extent of the cats-eye effect on specular highlights. They seem to extend almost to the centre of the frame, suggesting that the vignettting at f/1.8 similarly reaches almost to the centre of the frame.

I'll wait to see what Sigma produces, though I have a love/hate relationship with my Sigma 35mm Art - beautiful optics, non-existent low-light focusing.

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Re: Review - Tamron 85mm f/1.8 Di VC USD
« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2016, 05:27:05 AM »
just rented this lens and very first tests against the Canon 85 1.8 @ 1.8 are a bit underwhelming. The tamron isn't that much sharper at all than the 85 1.8. I do notice the focus hesitation (even with VC off), although it's not very annoying and focus does seem very accurate. Testing it out further today and tomorrow during real live events so that will learn me a bit more. But my first impression is that it's ok to wait a bit and see what Sigma produces and possibly Canon with a new 1.4/1.2 :)

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Re: Review - Tamron 85mm f/1.8 Di VC USD
« Reply #51 on: May 19, 2016, 06:30:36 AM »
it seems that something was not quite right with the copy of the lens that you have tested?
there is a substantial reported difference in IQ in mid frame and especially in the corners, resistance to flares and CA.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=1047&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=106&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Lens-Flare.aspx?FLI=0&API=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0&Lens=1047&Camera=979&LensComp=106



just rented this lens and very first tests against the Canon 85 1.8 @ 1.8 are a bit underwhelming. The tamron isn't that much sharper at all than the 85 1.8. I do notice the focus hesitation (even with VC off), although it's not very annoying and focus does seem very accurate. Testing it out further today and tomorrow during real live events so that will learn me a bit more. But my first impression is that it's ok to wait a bit and see what Sigma produces and possibly Canon with a new 1.4/1.2 :)
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Re: Review - Tamron 85mm f/1.8 Di VC USD
« Reply #51 on: May 19, 2016, 06:30:36 AM »

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Re: Review - Tamron 85mm f/1.8 Di VC USD
« Reply #52 on: May 19, 2016, 07:09:41 AM »
To be honest I think sharpness at 1.8 at the Tamron is not that much better. Yes certainly a bit but will you see it in real shots? I hope that a future new 85L will show performance wide open similar to the 35 II; that would make me want to buy it instantly ;)

 I don't really look at test charts that much; real life shots tell me much more. The few shots I did so far are of course just that; the first few shots. Today and tomorrow's real world application will tell me much more. TBC :)

edit: first event shot. I think focus did a good job; not too much issue with the slight hesitation at all to be honest. On par with the 85 1.8 for sure. From what I've seen on the screen, images look nice and crisp but I'll have to see some more shots tomorrow in lightroom. So far so good.
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Re: Review - Tamron 85mm f/1.8 Di VC USD
« Reply #53 on: May 19, 2016, 09:55:05 AM »
I sent my 150-600 in for the firmware upgrade some time ago.  It worked fine for me, and made me feel much better about choosing the Tamron rather than waiting for the Sigma 150-600 C, especially after reading Dustin's reports about the focusing issues he had with the Sigma.  My advice is to send it in.  The only cost is shipping one way, and they get it in and out of their shop in about 2 days.  I was without mine for about a week.

Thanks for the info. I really don't use the lens ever, possibly a foolish purchase??? Part of me has held off just in case they rev the firmware again. I should just bite the bullet and do it. Did you notice any improvement?

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Re: Review - Tamron 85mm f/1.8 Di VC USD
« Reply #54 on: May 20, 2016, 12:20:47 PM »
I sent my 150-600 in for the firmware upgrade some time ago.  It worked fine for me, and made me feel much better about choosing the Tamron rather than waiting for the Sigma 150-600 C, especially after reading Dustin's reports about the focusing issues he had with the Sigma. 

For whatever reason Tamron has always done a much better job than Sigma reverse engineering Canon AF.

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Re: Review - Tamron 85mm f/1.8 Di VC USD
« Reply #55 on: May 21, 2016, 12:47:10 AM »
I got my copy today.  A quick focus test using my secret, ultra-quick method showed that it front focused slightly and needed a +10 AFMA correction.

I had a shoot scheduled at an indoor location with large windows and plain backgrounds.  I wasn't able to check the bokeh, but I did get a feel for sharpness and autofocus performance compared to my old favorite EF 85 F/1.8.

I haven't had a chance to go through all the images yet, but generally I am quite pleased.  The autofocus was spot-on, and it locked on quickly.  I felt no need to turn off the image stabilization.

Here is a full frame portrait captured at F/2 and 1/125th.  It's hand held and I wasn't making any big effort to hold the camera steady.



Now let's zoom in to a standard headshot:



And let's zoom in some more for a look at the eyelashes.



I'd say this is a definite improvement over the EF 85 F/1.8 in image quality.

Was it worth the roughly twice the price of the Canon?  Hard to say.  It is certainly a lot larger and heavier than the Canon.  Depends on your budget and what type of shooting you do I guess.  It's nice to have choices.

I will let you know when I have an NSFW blog post ready for viewing so you can see more examples from this shoot.

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Re: Review - Tamron 85mm f/1.8 Di VC USD
« Reply #56 on: May 21, 2016, 12:12:57 PM »
Dustin, you referred to a side-by-side with the Sigma 50-100 in the review.  How would you compare the handling of the two, AF performance, and image quality when the Sigma is set to 85mm(ish)?  I've been intrigued by the Sigma 50-100 since it's announcement as I have a void in the portrait focal lengths with my lenses and 7DII.  However, your review has opened my eyes to this great alternative to such a large lens.  I have Canon's 35 f/2 IS and 135 f/2, this Tamron may complete a great trio (albeit wider spread than the norm).

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Re: Review - Tamron 85mm f/1.8 Di VC USD
« Reply #57 on: May 22, 2016, 06:32:11 AM »
Ok, shot a wedding on Friday with the rental too, and here's my take so far: pretty darn good lens. Although I didn't see much difference at first on test shots vs the 85 1.8, I do see the difference in real life.

1.8 or 2.0 on the Tamron still isn't the best you can get on Canon (the 85 1.2 which I've had and used for years is still king), but it's better and with more punch than the 85 1.8. Focus is very good too, just as good as the 85 1.8. So it's a bit of a combination between the Canon 1.8 and 1.2, combining a relatively modest size and weight with good image quality (although not best in class) and good autofocus.

Considering the price point, you'll get what you pay for.

I think I'll buy one and sell my 85 1.8. I don't see this as a permanent solution since I am still waiting for a fantastic 85 which allows a 1.4 aperture, even better IQ (maybe BR optics :)) and super accurate and fast focus (Tamron is accurate, but not the fastest). Quite sure Sigma will release an 85 Art (but will it focus as accurate as the Tamron?) or - even better - Canon with a new top dog 85 which will rule them all (except, of course, the price tag), just like their 35 II did.
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Re: Review - Tamron 85mm f/1.8 Di VC USD
« Reply #57 on: May 22, 2016, 06:32:11 AM »

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Re: Review - Tamron 85mm f/1.8 Di VC USD
« Reply #58 on: May 22, 2016, 10:07:56 PM »
Dustin, you referred to a side-by-side with the Sigma 50-100 in the review.  How would you compare the handling of the two, AF performance, and image quality when the Sigma is set to 85mm(ish)?  I've been intrigued by the Sigma 50-100 since it's announcement as I have a void in the portrait focal lengths with my lenses and 7DII.  However, your review has opened my eyes to this great alternative to such a large lens.  I have Canon's 35 f/2 IS and 135 f/2, this Tamron may complete a great trio (albeit wider spread than the norm).

Handling question:  they are really, really different in size.  The Tamron is a medium size and medium weight lens - the Sigma weighs more than twice as much.  AF speed is roughly similar, but I had better overall accuracy with the Tamron (the Sigma wasn't bad, but the Tamron was better).  The Sigma is sharper wide open (on crop).  I'd say the Tamron has better contrast and color (Sigma has a slightly "washed out" look; the Tamron has more "bite").  Bokeh is a bit better on the Tamron, and flare resistance much better.  Both show almost no CA.  Different strokes...

Both nice lenses.  I mostly shoot FF, so I picked up the Tamron.  If I shot crop as you, it might have been a different story.
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Re: Review - Tamron 85mm f/1.8 Di VC USD
« Reply #59 on: May 23, 2016, 04:39:09 PM »
Those of you who are into nude photography may appreciate my blog post featuring the Tamron 85 VC lens.  I didn't get a chance to check the bokeh on this indoor studio shoot, so I can't wait for an outdoor shoot.

By the way... I set my exposure manually so I can't comment on any metering errors with the 5D3.

http://www.beyondboudoirphoto.com/blog/2016/5/studio-shoot-with-adryana-and-the-tamron-85mm-f/1-8-vc    Note: not safe for work
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Re: Review - Tamron 85mm f/1.8 Di VC USD
« Reply #59 on: May 23, 2016, 04:39:09 PM »