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Re: Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2014, 06:06:01 PM »
Any possible distant future plans for an EF-M 50mm?

If they made a EF-M 50mm (say f/2 or so) in similar size to the 22mm pancake, that would be amazing!
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Re: Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2014, 06:06:01 PM »

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Re: Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2014, 06:59:43 PM »
For lenses I'd look for STM (quiet focus) and IS (especially if you plan to hand hold with no stabilizer).  There are some EF-M and EF-S lenses that will fit the bill, but I'm not sure there's anything in your price range.

Also consider some time of external microphone and/or recorder for your sound.

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I owned the 50/1.8 mk2 before upgrading to the 50/2.5. Both have buzzy bumble bee old fashioned focus motors, not a problem for stills, but not for video. That could be overcome by switching to manual focus, but I found the 50/1.8 mk2 has a gritty and slightly wobbly focus ring compared to newer designs (and also my decades old lenses). The 2.5 has a long travel focus ring, so may be worth looking at for manual focus pulling only.

I dont own an STM lens yet, but have tried them. They are much better ideas unless sticking to silent movies.
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Re: Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2014, 05:53:04 PM »
For a longer affordable prime with big aperture for easy focus go with the Konica Hexanon 135mm f/2.5. Incredible lens. Hexanon lenses were the standard upon which all other Japanese lenses were compared in the 1980's. The Zeiss of Japan.

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Re: Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2014, 07:48:03 PM »
I suggest getting the  EF-M 18-55mm.  I would also choose the 40mm over the EF50 1.8 II.  I really don't like the Nifty 50.  It is not sharp enough for me until stopped down.  I The 40mm is sharp wide open and it is in my opinion easier to manual focus. 

I also have an old FD 50f1.8 S.C. to be honest the optical performance between the EF50 1.8 II and the FD50 1.8 is about the same.  The coatings on EF50 are a little better but the manual focus of the FD is better.   
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Re: Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2014, 08:41:47 PM »
Hi!  I'm a new member, new EOS-M owner, and longtime Canon fan who just pounced on that deal for the EOS-M with EF-M 22mm lens for $249.  I also picked up a Canon EF to EF-M adapter, to make sure the other 150 people who purchased the EOS-M in the past 24 hours don't buy up all the cheap ones  ;)

I'm (a struggling college grad who just entered) the film industry with no aspirations of becoming a professional DP.  I'd like a couple fairly cheap lenses to shoot some decent-looking comedy sketches or the odd event without having to bug my DP friends for help.  I plan to purchase a nice DSLR somewhere down the line and make the EOS-M my B-cam, but for now, I figure a $249 mirrorless camera is better than nothing/my phone camera.  (And I am very excited to use this little guy for casual travel pics.)

Which lens would you recommend to supplement the kit 22mm?  As mentioned, I have the adapter, so I can go EF-M or EF/EF-S - and I like how EF/EF-S will work on any DSLR I buy in the future.  I haven't found too many comparisons between EF and EF-M lenses, so I'm curious as to how the EF-M 18-55mm stacks up against EF primes.

I'm primarily considering:
  • Nifty fifty EF 50mm f/1.8 II - can't beat the price, and 50mm on a 1.6 crop seems like a good length for medium closeups
  • EF 40mm f/2.8 STM - I like how it's light and has good AF, but I'm concerned about difficulty manually focusing and that 40mm may be awkward with the crop factor
  • EF-M 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 IS STM - the flexibility of a zoom would be nice, though I've heard primes have better image quality

Not looking to spend more than $200 right now, though hopefully I'll be able to afford a nicer lens by Christmas. 

tl;dr Which has better image quality at long focal lengths, the EF-M 18-55mm, the EF 50mm f/1.8, the EF 40mm f/2.8 pancake?

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Re: Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2014, 09:57:56 PM »
Filmed the grandkid with both the EF-M 22 and EF-M 18-55 in the last year.  The 18-55 with IS wins hands down when going handheld for movies.  I'd only shoot the 22 with a fluid head on my tripod - my wife get nauseus easily.   I do have a fluid head for my FF rig but that defeats the purpose of using the M for me.   

Did some quick experiments in my office panning the walls and moving from near to far objects and back with a few lenses.  Nothing definitive, just a quick look to see how they did through the viewfinder. 

The EF-M 18-55 was the best.  The IS on the EF-M 11-22 and EF-M 55-200 smoothed the motion.  AF on the 11-22 was quick and accurate, but seems to hunt more on the 55-200 as you might expect.  The AF on the 22 was good, but the motion was a bit jerky with no IS.

I also have an old FD 35-105 converted to EF mount.  It works well if you can handle manual focus since it has 180 degree throw.  At 35mm and f/3.5 it has lots of DOF so pre-focus is possible.  No IS so a tripod would be good.  My quick test was ok at 35, pretty jumpy at 105.  This is probably representative of any old MF lens mounted with an adapter since they don't have IS.

Did a similar test with my EF 24-105L which I have used on my 6D.  Autofocus is pretty jumpy and noisy - the internal mic picks it up in my past experience so I use an external mic.  However, the IS makes all the difference, smooth movement, no jerkiness so I just turned off the AF and manual focused in these tests.   It doesn't have quite the focus throw of the FD lens so it might be harder to nail focus.  The new 24-105 IS STM would be something to consider for video.

Also tried the EF 40.  Autofocus was a bit quieter and smoother than the 24-105, but it seemed to hunt more in my simple test panning around the room and was a bit jumpy to watch.  The lack of IS might also affect AF.  I also tried my EF 35L and found it did better than the 40.  AF noise was low and it didn't seem to hunt near as much.  Seemed less jumpy, but that may be inertia from the extra mass ;-).

The EF 17-40L with no IS was ok at 17, but lots of hunting at 40.  I wouldn't use it for video on my FF either.  I may someday consider the new wide angle zooms like the 16-35 f/4L IS if I do more FF video, but the M seems to be my primary video camera for now.

So I'd suggest a lens with IS if you plan to handhold at all.  If you want to use autofocus then I'd stick with EF-M or EF STM lenses for the silence, even with an external mic.  The EF-M 18-55 sure seems like the best bet in your price range at this time.  The other option would be an adapter with a good manual focus lens to get some experience with manual focus and no IS on a tripod.
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Re: Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2014, 11:38:24 PM »
40/2.8 and 18-55M have better IQ.  I'd go with the zoom, the combo of prime and zoom offers great flexibility, IMO.
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Re: Recommendations for lens to supplement EF-M 22mm?
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2014, 11:38:24 PM »