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Are there 39mp & 50mp+ Test Bodies in the Wild? [CR1]
« on: October 22, 2012, 09:04:40 AM »
More than 46.1 out there?
Northlight has received a couple of reports about larger megapixel EOS cameras out in the wild. The first one from the USA and sporting a 39mp sensor, and a second report from Asia about a camera well over 50mp. Both test cameras are in EOS-1 style bodies.

It’s stressed that neither camera is a production model and are strictly for testing.

I have no doubt the big megapixel DSLRs are in the pipeline, but so far things are pointing to the professional market instead of the consumer market.

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Are there 39mp & 50mp+ Test Bodies in the Wild? [CR1]
« on: October 22, 2012, 09:04:40 AM »

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Re: Are there 39mp & 50mp+ Test Bodies in the Wild? [CR1]
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2012, 09:09:37 AM »
I'd be more interested in the 39MP camera as opposed to the 50+ one. A 50+ MP photo would surely kill my 4 year old computer.

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Re: Are there 39mp & 50mp+ Test Bodies in the Wild? [CR1]
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2012, 09:16:17 AM »
Am happy that this is in the 1d style bodies. As I believe such hi mpx is for hi end use and pretty useless for general photographers.

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Re: Are there 39mp & 50mp+ Test Bodies in the Wild? [CR1]
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2012, 09:22:51 AM »
Am happy that this is in the 1d style bodies. As I believe such hi mpx is for hi end use and pretty useless for general photographers.

If it had easy-to-use crop and down-sample modes, it would be useful for consumers.

- 46.1MP full-res
- 11.5MP 3-color pixel mode (generated from 4 of the original pixels)
- 23MP 1.4x crop mode
- 18MP 1.6x-crop mode
- 11.5MP 2x-crop mode

Make these easily accessible while shooting by using a sliding switch around the shutter release like on the SX-series of hyperzooms and make them show in the viewfinder by use of a transmissive-LCD like on the 7D and you've got a great camera for consumers/enthusiasts.

By the way, I'm very unhappy they're 1D-style bodies, as I'd never own a body like that.  I have very rare need for a portrait grip and don't want to carry one around all day when I don't need it.  Further, the 1D bodies are too large for my hands.  My 5D fits my hand like it was made for it.
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Re: Are there 39mp & 50mp+ Test Bodies in the Wild? [CR1]
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2012, 09:59:25 AM »
I'd be more interested in the 39MP camera as opposed to the 50+ one. A 50+ MP photo would surely kill my 4 year old computer.

No problem there - people spending $9k on a camera are likely to be able to afford a fast computer and enough storage space, too. And besides that, the eos cameras usually have a m-raw and s-raw mode, so s-raw from a 50mp cam might be 22mp just like on the 5d3 :-)

As I believe such hi mpx is for hi end use and pretty useless for general photographers.

But that's loop logic - just because amateurs don't use high mp now (because it's impossible) doesn't mean they won't use the added possibilities. Besides you could say or could have said the same about 12, 18 or 22mp.

Sure there is an absolute measure "print size", but mp is about cropping, too *esp.* in the hands of amateurs. And many amateurs do close-up or macro shots, too, so unless the sensor outresolves the Canon L zooms or macro lenses this is a common application.

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Re: Are there 39mp & 50mp+ Test Bodies in the Wild? [CR1]
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2012, 10:55:43 AM »
I'm very unhappy they're 1D-style bodies, as I'd never own a body like that. I have very rare need for a portrait grip and don't want to carry one around all day when I don't need it.  Further, the 1D bodies are too large for my hands.  My 5D fits my hand like it was made for it.

I wouldn't worry too much about that. Canon will have to release an "equivalent" to D800 at consumer prices (~$3600 to $4000?) in the short term, purely based on marketing needs. And they will.

Agreed, Canon will try their best to "differentiate" these bodies... which means they will heavily cripple the high MP so there is still a market space for 5D-III. Some of it will be beyond their intervention like fps on such a high MP body. But expect a bigger bro to 5D III soon at a slightly higher price point.

Canon is only waiting for a "respectable" amount of time after the 5D-III release so the early 5D-III adoptors who paid full price $$$$$ don't jump off a cliff (if they hadn't already tried that after the Adorma or B&H "deals"...wink wink nod nod from Canon).

This is similar to a greiving wife waiting a respectable amount of time before remarrying after her "dear" hubby dies. :D

Canon will match D800 at a comparable "Canon" price soon (this is usually about ~$500 to $1000 more ?). 
 
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Re: Are there 39mp & 50mp+ Test Bodies in the Wild? [CR1]
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2012, 11:29:41 AM »
A 50mp+ camera, especially if it does have improved DR and a 16bit ADC, sounds like a landscape and studio powerhouse! I'd never use such a camera for action photography, so I'd never need to import and wade through thousands of photos per shoot. I'd probably be able to use a single memory card for landscape outings. I already have a beefy computer, with SSD boot and data drives, so I'd not be too worried about PP editing performance. I hope they release something like that! It's what I've been waiting for as my next landscape camera.
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Re: Are there 39mp & 50mp+ Test Bodies in the Wild? [CR1]
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2012, 11:40:52 AM »
Forget 50mp... just let me swap out my 5d3 sensor for something with NO AA filter... 

While Canon is at it... please play nice with Sony and Sigma and get us a 16DR with Foveon type non-bayerless 22mp sensor with 5d3 type high ISO performance. 


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Re: Are there 39mp & 50mp+ Test Bodies in the Wild? [CR1]
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2012, 11:51:33 AM »
Forget 50mp... just let me swap out my 5d3 sensor for something with NO AA filter... 

While Canon is at it... please play nice with Sony and Sigma and get us a 16DR with Foveon type non-bayerless 22mp sensor with 5d3 type high ISO performance. 


Wake up...   what a wet dream that was...

"Foveon type non-bayerless"??

And, wouldn't it be playing dirty and competitive, rather than nice and friendly (which they effectively are now) with Sony and Sigma if they integrated 16-bit ADC with a layered sensor?
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Re: Are there 39mp & 50mp+ Test Bodies in the Wild? [CR1]
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2012, 11:53:39 AM »
A 50mp+ camera, especially if it does have improved DR and a 16bit ADC, sounds like a landscape and studio powerhouse! I'd never use such a camera for action photography, so I'd never need to import and wade through thousands of photos per shoot. I'd probably be able to use a single memory card for landscape outings. I already have a beefy computer, with SSD boot and data drives, so I'd not be too worried about PP editing performance. I hope they release something like that! It's what I've been waiting for as my next landscape camera.

The next target in all likelyhood would be the ~36MP range in a mid-level body to close the gap with Nikon's D800. Even if Canon can do the 50MP tmorrow, they will hold off and release incremental bodies to fleece the customers. This is not a critisism, it is just the way profitable companies work. My only complaint is I dont' get a cut :).

Right now, there is no direct challange for Canon 35mm format at the 50MP level. But at 36MP there is! And at a cheaper price point. This is not sustainable in the long run. Canon will have to come up with a fair match.

On a more practical level, 50MP will have to be pricey, and someone willing to shell that kinda money will surelyl be looking at the bigboys in the Medium Format (MF). I dont' think Canon has any intention of wading into that pool anytime soon. But I do want to wish that your dreams eventually come true. I like the idea :)
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Re: Are there 39mp & 50mp+ Test Bodies in the Wild? [CR1]
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2012, 12:05:49 PM »
I'd be more interested in the 39MP camera as opposed to the 50+ one. A 50+ MP photo would surely kill my 4 year old computer.

No problem there - people spending $9k on a camera are likely to be able to afford a fast computer and enough storage space, too. And besides that, the eos cameras usually have a m-raw and s-raw mode, so s-raw from a 50mp cam might be 22mp just like on the 5d3 :-)

As I believe such hi mpx is for hi end use and pretty useless for general photographers.

But that's loop logic - just because amateurs don't use high mp now (because it's impossible) doesn't mean they won't use the added possibilities. Besides you could say or could have said the same about 12, 18 or 22mp.

Sure there is an absolute measure "print size", but mp is about cropping, too *esp.* in the hands of amateurs. And many amateurs do close-up or macro shots, too, so unless the sensor outresolves the Canon L zooms or macro lenses this is a common application.

I understand and see your cropping point. Pls explain term "loop logic", it sounds cool!

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Of course, what would a consumer, or prosumer for that matter need 24+MP for?  let alone 30 or 50?  Prosumer camera MPs have gone down over the past few years, not up (G series, etc)...as have several pro bodies obviously other than 1Dx.  It would be really interesting to see Canon introduce a professional studio camera though it would be difficult to unseat MF in that space, no?  Are we looking at more of a 1Ds replacement/upgrade?

My question, as I'm not an optics expert, is once you get into that realm of 30+ (if not before), how many current EF lenses are going to be able to leverage that sensor fully?

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Re: Are there 39mp & 50mp+ Test Bodies in the Wild? [CR1]
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2012, 12:10:03 PM »
Am happy that this is in the 1d style bodies. As I believe such hi mpx is for hi end use and pretty useless for general photographers.

If it had easy-to-use crop and down-sample modes, it would be useful for consumers.

- 46.1MP full-res
- 11.5MP 3-color pixel mode (generated from 4 of the original pixels)
- 23MP 1.4x crop mode
- 18MP 1.6x-crop mode
- 11.5MP 2x-crop mode

Make these easily accessible while shooting by using a sliding switch around the shutter release like on the SX-series of hyperzooms and make them show in the viewfinder by use of a transmissive-LCD like on the 7D and you've got a great camera for consumers/enthusiasts.

By the way, I'm very unhappy they're 1D-style bodies, as I'd never own a body like that.  I have very rare need for a portrait grip and don't want to carry one around all day when I don't need it.  Further, the 1D bodies are too large for my hands.  My 5D fits my hand like it was made for it.

Just curious, what would you require 46MP for?

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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2012, 12:10:03 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2012, 12:16:05 PM »
No problem there - people spending $9k on a camera are likely to be able to afford a fast computer and enough storage space, too. And besides that, the eos cameras usually have a m-raw and s-raw mode, so s-raw from a 50mp cam might be 22mp just like on the 5d3 :-)
Hehehe! I was wondering if anyone was going to comment on my statement. Yeah, my computer is nearing the end of its life for today's heavy graphics work. Its an overclocked quad core (3.0GHz) and I added a SSD earlier this year to boost performance. I'd surely build another one around the time I get a high MP camera. You do have a good point about the different modes. I never cared to use the smaller RAW formats since I'm currently capped at 10MP (40D).  :P

I'm curious to see what Canon has to show later this week.

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Re: Are there 39mp & 50mp+ Test Bodies in the Wild? [CR1]
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2012, 12:18:06 PM »
Yeah, my computer is nearing the end of its life for today's heavy graphics work.

It's just a matter of time (of which you won't have any if you're a pro), but for the rest of us a slower computer is still ok - when rendering focus stacks I'll queue them and let it render overnight on my dual-core 2ghz laptop :->

Pls explain term "loop logic", it sounds cool!

:-> I looked up the real English term, it's "circular logic" - that's when the premise of a thesis is also the result.

An example is your thesis "amateurs don't need high mp cameras" - it cannot be disproven since there aren't any amateur high mp cameras (well, until the d800 that is, and that seems to sell), and the result of such a thesis (if adopted by Canon) is that there won't be any, apparently proving the thesis.
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