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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #75 on: October 30, 2012, 05:36:42 PM »

This lens will be DOA.

no it will not....

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
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« Reply #76 on: October 30, 2012, 05:38:39 PM »

For those just joining us and trying to make sense of this non-trivial CR3 -- and are not furious right now -- we've been riffing on these possibilities:

1) Canon is fully '70-200'-ing their 24-70 lenses into a lineup of (eventually) four offerings.
2) This is tailored for video -- STM, parfocal, etc.
3) It will be very small / very light in comparison to prior 24-70 lenses.
4) This is a 'value L' in the vein of 17-40, 70-200 F/4 non-IS.  Sub-$1000.  Logically paired with the new 6D.
5) This will be legendarily sharp for the new uberpixel bodies we will get down the road.
6) This new 24-70 IS will replace the 24-105 IS and drive more people to buy pricey 70-200 lenses.

For the record, I really thought more people would be outright furious about this.  I thought 50% of respondents would be out for blood.  Good composure, team.

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #77 on: October 30, 2012, 05:39:42 PM »
You won't see many people actually going and Buying this lens for they're current cameras.  ::)

I see this one as a cheaper plasticy (like 100L) 6d kit, lighter weight, smaller size and latest IS vs 24-105. Many people will prefer it and put the $$$ saved into a 70- tele.

Yeah but the 24-105L is already sharp for around 800$ used. This lens would have to be 599$ for it to fly and knowing canon lately, I seriously doubt that.

My guess. DOA.

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #78 on: October 30, 2012, 05:41:17 PM »

For those just joining us and trying to make sense of this non-trivial CR3 -- and are not furious right now -- we've been riffing on these possibilities:

1) Canon is fully '70-200'-ing their 24-70 lenses into a lineup of (eventually) four offerings.
2) This is tailored for video -- STM, parfocal, etc.
3) It will be very small / very light in comparison to prior 24-70 lenses.
4) This is a 'value L' in the vein of 17-40, 70-200 F/4 non-IS.  Sub-$1000.  Logically paired with the new 6D.
5) This will be legendarily sharp for the new uberpixel bodies we will get down the road.
6) This new 24-70 IS will replace the 24-105 IS and drive more people to buy pricey 70-200 lenses.

For the record, I really thought more people would be outright furious about this.  I thought 50% of respondents would be out for blood.  Good composure, team.

- A

Or, #7,  it is a mistranslation or something missed in the rumor and either the range or the speed is wrong. If it is a "real" thing, God save Canon. Next quater will be even lower revenues and hopefully they will fire the marketing bozos.
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #79 on: October 30, 2012, 05:41:23 PM »
What if there was another loss in translation, and this will actually be a 17-70mm f/4L IS.  Now, that would be interesting...

Yes, that would be very interesting.  Otherwise, not interesting at all.

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #80 on: October 30, 2012, 05:41:53 PM »
Woah, CR3 all of the sudden! The f/2.8 sure sounded better than the f/4...

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« Reply #81 on: October 30, 2012, 05:43:30 PM »
What if there was another loss in translation, and this will actually be a 17-70mm f/4L IS.  Now, that would be interesting...

Or... it could really just be the 24-70 IS f2.8, though I don't see how Canon can price that thing after the 2.2K for the non IS version. For a standard zoom over 2500-2800  would be a bit high and they wont' be able to move them in large numbers. All I know is the f4 IS version makes no sense... none.

I'm not sure about not moving a $2500-2800 lens.  I think the standard zoom 2.8 IS is a bit of a holy grail kind of lens that -- if absolutely top quality -- will sell for $3k, and sell well.  I sure as hell won't buy it, but many would.  I'd also throw an F/2 standard zoom in that same holy grail bucket, but I'd imagine it would weigh 4 tons.   :P



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« Reply #81 on: October 30, 2012, 05:43:30 PM »

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« Reply #82 on: October 30, 2012, 05:46:54 PM »

 And just like that 18-55mm kit lens, You won't see many people actually going and Buying this lens for they're current cameras.  ::)

because it sells as kit lens....  ::)

if canon sees this new lens as a kit lens for the 6D and coming entry level FF cameras it will make sense.
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #83 on: October 30, 2012, 05:47:04 PM »
Yeah but the 24-105L is already sharp for around 800$ used.

But Canon sells new :-> and since the 24-105 margin will be pretty low by now they need a lens that can go along with the 6d price drop that everyone predicts.

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« Reply #84 on: October 30, 2012, 05:47:53 PM »
Also, can someone speak to why the EF-S folks have a $1000 17-55 F/2.8 IS and EF folks are left wanting? 

Is making such a lens for a crop that much more technically feasible or inexpensive?  (Or is the 17-55 not a good lens?  I've never tried it.)

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #85 on: October 30, 2012, 05:49:07 PM »

For those just joining us and trying to make sense of this non-trivial CR3 -- and are not furious right now -- we've been riffing on these possibilities:

1) Canon is fully '70-200'-ing their 24-70 lenses into a lineup of (eventually) four offerings.
2) This is tailored for video -- STM, parfocal, etc.
3) It will be very small / very light in comparison to prior 24-70 lenses.
4) This is a 'value L' in the vein of 17-40, 70-200 F/4 non-IS.  Sub-$1000.  Logically paired with the new 6D.
5) This will be legendarily sharp for the new uberpixel bodies we will get down the road.
6) This new 24-70 IS will replace the 24-105 IS and drive more people to buy pricey 70-200 lenses.

For the record, I really thought more people would be outright furious about this.  I thought 50% of respondents would be out for blood.  Good composure, team.

- A

it makes total sense why people are pissed.  NO ONE is asking for this lens - NO ONE.  Sure, it might be good for video, and sure, it might be a good low priced option.  But as far as I can tell the 24-105 already does this and more.

It just indicates to consumers that Canon doesn't give a rat's @ss what people want - they are just going down their own path.  people have been begging for the new 24-70 with IS for YEARS, and this is Canon's response?

If they are getting rid of the 24-105, then ok - this makes sense.  However, if they are still offering both I don't get it.
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #86 on: October 30, 2012, 05:55:26 PM »
Yes, It will be cheaper in production, Just like the 18-55mm kit lens. And just like that 18-55mm kit lens, You won't see many people actually going and Buying this lens for they're current cameras.  ::)

I've been looking for a replacement for my 18-55 and this lens seems somewhat ideal as it fits between the 10-22 and the 70-200 if you have a crop body. I do agree with you otherwise though, I can't see many other reasons for someone to consider this lens other than mine.

why not get a 24-105mm?

Sorry I forgot to mention I'd be considering this lens only if it was cheaper than the 24-105. I'm hoping this costs somewhere between 700-850 and has some kind of other advantage over the 24-105 other than price.
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #87 on: October 30, 2012, 05:58:21 PM »
It really has to be either much cheaper or much better than 24-105. The third option is 24-105's end of life and price and IQ of 24-70 f4 on the same level as 24-105. If the last option would be true, then many people would hate Canon even more and finally found a reason to switch to N.
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #88 on: October 30, 2012, 05:58:34 PM »
Only if it is cheap and small will it compete against the 24-105mm f/4 (unless of course they discontinue the 24-105mm).

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #89 on: October 30, 2012, 06:05:34 PM »
You won't see many people actually going and Buying this lens for they're current cameras.  ::)

I see this one as a cheaper plasticy (like 100L) 6d kit, lighter weight, smaller size and latest IS vs 24-105. Many people will prefer it and put the $$$ saved into a 70- tele.

Yeah but the 24-105L is already sharp for around 800$ used. This lens would have to be 599$ for it to fly and knowing canon lately, I seriously doubt that.

My guess. DOA.

I agree, however i also thought the 40mm pancake looked weak on paper however for the size, price point and image quality it delivered in spades!
now mentioning that little bad boy I cant see much value in a 24-70 f4 vs the 40mm pancake other than IS

its certainly a wierd offering considering the 50mm line so desperately needs an update

its gonna have to be cheap, sub $500 to fly IMO
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #89 on: October 30, 2012, 06:05:34 PM »