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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #150 on: October 31, 2012, 03:20:54 AM »
All specs aside, I really think that this is a knee-jerk reaction to the market / sales.

With the Tamron getting to market first, many fans held out.  But as delays came on folk began to jump ship - especially when the price was verified by the vendors.

With the v1 24-70 gone, all of the sudden sales are down, even with a proported fatter margin on the v2.

We've all read the rumors that there was an IS version being tested - but this all went out the window once the v2 was Announced.

Many consumers will prefer to stay away from off brand even at f4 vs f2.8.  I would expect simpler housing, pricing iine with Tamron VC 2.8 24-70.

Kit option - possibly.

Another marketing gimmick - "you don't need 2.8 anymore - just push your ISO - it will still look great - oh, you don't like the 3200 on 7D or rebel ? Well there are the new low noise high ISO bodies just for that. Buy the new body, save on the lens."

Ok - so I'm taking the conspiracy apple box stand.

We a bit jaded as far as lens prices go - and should try to step back and see this from a mass market POV. That is, after all, where this lens is targeted.

If and when there is something to consider - we will. Just take a look at the harsh 6D reactions from the announcement, and now people slowly peeping in "I'm considering it"
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #150 on: October 31, 2012, 03:20:54 AM »

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #151 on: October 31, 2012, 03:28:23 AM »
24-70mm f/4L IS?

WTF?  Just.....WTF?!?

Two words: compact size.

The 24-105L is smaller than the 24-70L but it's still not a compact lens.

Canon needs a smaller (and cheaper?) kit lens for the smallish 6D. 
A compact, high quality 24-70mm f/4L IS would be a very good fit.


Depending on price, I'd be very interested in such a lens - and potentially the 6D too.

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+1. Compactness is the key word here. I wonder if it will be a non-L lens? (Unlikely given its got a constant aperture).
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #152 on: October 31, 2012, 03:49:03 AM »
my guess will be filters smaller than 77mm
maybe 67mm? all plastic construction

I doubt it'll be an all plastic construction simply because of its L designation.

From Wikipedia:
Most L series lenses share a number of common characteristics:
- Tough build, made to withstand trials in the field (some incorporating dust and moisture resistant rubber seals).
- At least one fluorite or ultra-low dispersion glass element, combined with super-low dispersion glass and ground aspherical elements.
- Non-rotating front elements, which are optimal for some filters (e.g. circular polarizers).
- Relatively large apertures compared to other Canon lenses in the same focal lengths.
- Ring-type USM (ultrasonic motor) and full-time manual focusing.

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #153 on: October 31, 2012, 03:55:58 AM »
What if they followed the new trend with weight loss, then this lens could be VERY light. That is worth something to someone, say,6d owners.

It's still an insane idea by canon... I think a few lenses must be updated first and that the timing is the stupid thing here. Seems canon care more about getting people to buy a fullframe than keeping them there...
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #154 on: October 31, 2012, 04:22:54 AM »
All specs aside, I really think that this is a knee-jerk reaction to the market / sales.

With the Tamron getting to market first, many fans held out.  But as delays came on folk began to jump ship - especially when the price was verified by the vendors.

With the v1 24-70 gone, all of the sudden sales are down, even with a proported fatter margin on the v2.

We've all read the rumors that there was an IS version being tested - but this all went out the window once the v2 was Announced.

I disagree. It's not like they could design/test/set-up for manufacturing all since the 24-70 MkII came out. That's too little time for such a reaction. I'd be very surprised if they ever update the 24-105L after this new lens is on the market. With rationalisation of their zoom range, Canon's new blurb after December:

"Complementing the EF 17-40mm f4L USM and EF 70-200mm f4L USM, the 24-70 f4L IS STM lens completes Canon's f4L-series zoom lens range."

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #155 on: October 31, 2012, 04:24:14 AM »
As if the world needs another 24-70? If this is true, there will now be 5 of them.

24-70L f/2.8 (still available in many shops, and on Ebay).
24-70L II f/2.8.
24-70L II f/4.0.
Tamron 24-70.
Sigma 24-70.

What the world needs is a 14-24L.

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #156 on: October 31, 2012, 04:49:57 AM »
Its probably the kitlens for the 6d, but then it has to be small, light and cheap. So 450g and around 500$ street price? Everything else, doesn't make sense in my eyes.

I love the long end of the 24-105mm and that is the only reason i never switched to the 24-70/2.8.
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #156 on: October 31, 2012, 04:49:57 AM »

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #157 on: October 31, 2012, 06:43:15 AM »
Its probably the kitlens for the 6d, but then it has to be small, light and cheap. So 450g and around 500$ street price? Everything else, doesn't make sense in my eyes.

I love the long end of the 24-105mm and that is the only reason i never switched to the 24-70/2.8.
Hmmm, what does this do to the 24-105L . . .
Why would anyone buy this over a 24-105?  I have  a 24-70 2.8 and unless the iq is stellar I can't see a use for an f4 lens in this length

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #158 on: October 31, 2012, 06:49:19 AM »
Its probably the kitlens for the 6d, but then it has to be small, light and cheap. So 450g and around 500$ street price? Everything else, doesn't make sense in my eyes.

I love the long end of the 24-105mm and that is the only reason i never switched to the 24-70/2.8.

Small, cheap AND L lens. That would be a pretty odd about-face from Canon, given their recent history.

How many L lenses are $500... And with IS.

If it is $500 I'll donate my 5d2 to sandymandy.

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #159 on: October 31, 2012, 07:00:25 AM »
The 28 2.8 IS will be my next lens. Low key, low light, hand holdable. 4 stops? Crazy cool. $100 off? easy choice now.

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At some point I shall get the 24 IS for the same reasons- compact, light, sharp accross the aperture range (checkout the photozone test on the 28) and with IS- good for video clips (where you can't always take a tripod-such as up a mountain where I like to take a video panorama on occasion), useful in lower light for landscape and on a crop camera the equal to 40mm so a slightly wide standard lens. The only thing stopping me at the moment is cost but prices are already starting to drop so in 12 months or so- a winner for me.
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #160 on: October 31, 2012, 07:07:29 AM »
So 450g and around 500$ street price?

I'm sure the price for the lens alone will be rather high - few people would buy it anyway to replace their existing standard zoom, and this way Canon will be able to market apparently incredible deals as a kit with the 6d :-p

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #161 on: October 31, 2012, 08:26:16 AM »
So 450g and around 500$ street price?

I'm sure the price for the lens alone will be rather high - few people would buy it anyway to replace their existing standard zoom, and this way Canon will be able to market apparently incredible deals as a kit with the 6d :-p

I agree. Maybe closer to $1000 at first but a great deal in the 6D kit. Look at the EF-S 18-55 IS. It's actually great value for the price when it's in a kit, but who buys it by itself?
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Finally a great standard zoom for full frame?
« Reply #162 on: October 31, 2012, 08:38:10 AM »
The underwhelming optical quality of the 24-105 lens and the missing IS of the 24-70 lenses were two important reasons that have been keeping me away from full frame. I really hope that this is going to change now!

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Re: Finally a great standard zoom for full frame?
« Reply #163 on: October 31, 2012, 09:02:06 AM »
Reading that sentence again with this new lens in mind, it makes even more sense. The 24-105 will stay popular because of its versatile range. The 24-70 f/4 will be immediately popular as part of this three lens system. On crop bodies, both the 17-55 and 15-85 get a lot of love; there's no conflict, just a lot of different tastes out there.
Yes, but the difference between those two lenses is very significant. One does f/2.8, while the other is variable aperture, so you are either trading low light for range or vice-versa. Here, you are just giving up 70-105 for, at the moment, nothing. Now, it may be a weight tradeoff, or there may be less barrel distortion; maybe like the 70-200 lenses, the f/4 version will be as sharp as the f/2.8. But as of right now, that difference isn't clear like it is with those two EF-S lenses.

The underwhelming optical quality of the 24-105 lens and the missing IS of the 24-70 lenses were two important reasons that have been keeping me away from full frame. I really hope that this is going to change now!
I get the feeling this lens is gonna really disappoint you then; because I can't imagine it being on par with the new 24-70 without costing $1500+, and if the 24-105 is underwhelming to you, then anything less than the new 24-70 wouldn't work

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #164 on: October 31, 2012, 09:08:11 AM »
I bought my 5D3 and 24-105 f4L IS kit back in April and I have to say that I've been very happy with the results that the 24-105 produces.
Things such as cost and IQ being approximately equal, would I...
Buy a 24-70 f4L IS to complement my 24-105 f4L IS?    No - I'd rather go for a f1.4L wide angle prime to complement the zoom.
Trade in my 24-105 f4L IS against a 24-70 f4L IS?        No - I can't see that I'd gain much by doing that.
Trade in my 24-105 f4L IS against a 24-70 f2.8L II?      Well, I do regard that as an upgrade and it's not out of the question one day, but...
Trade in my 24-105 f4L IS against a 24-70 f2.8L II IS?    Absolutely!!   

The point I'm trying to make is that if Canon intends to replace or supplement the 24-105 f4L IS (kit) lens with a new 24-70 f4L IS (kit) lens, that in itself won't make a lot of difference to me and, I suspect, probably not to many others who already own the 24-105.   I'm happy to wait a year or so to see what happens with the 24-70 f2.8L II.  Either there will be an IS version as many here hope, or the price of the f2.8L II will drop to a more affordable level.   

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
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