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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #180 on: October 31, 2012, 12:55:42 PM »
nobody wants f4 !! gaaahh. why is it not 2.8 ! and if its 24-70 f4, then would it be the same price and/or cheaper than the 24-105? to me... i dunno, doesnt really seem worth it atm. even if the glass is better its debatable.

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #180 on: October 31, 2012, 12:55:42 PM »

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« Reply #181 on: October 31, 2012, 01:00:07 PM »
I read "24"..."70"...."IS"... and got excited. Then I read "f/4", and immediately got a migraine.
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #182 on: October 31, 2012, 01:01:34 PM »
wala!
That's it, I'm switching to Nikon.

...srsly. If someone can switch to Nikon for something Canon is offering, rather than because of something Canon isn't offering, I can buy a g*****n D3200 if you misspell 'voila'. Just sayin'.
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #183 on: October 31, 2012, 01:22:40 PM »
It's a ploy by Canon to extract the most amount of money possible out of its customers:

First, the 24-70L f/2.8 USM II, because the v1 has a known user base, and the II is an obvious upgrade path for v1 users.

Then, the 24-70L f/4.0 IS USM, because some of the II users need IS, compactness, and light weight more than f/2.8.

Then, the 24-70L f/2.8 IS USM, as the new top end lens in this focal range. People who bought the above two lenses who want the strengths of both will buy this lens. Expect this lens to be announced in a few months, after the f/4 IS lens sales start to drop off.

And then finally, the 24-70L f/4.0 USM, for people who can't afford any of the above but still want a quality lens in this focal range. Like the f/2.8 IS USM, it will be announced after sales of the f/4.0 IS USM drop off so as not to cannibalize any sales.

Canon is quite the crafty company!
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #184 on: October 31, 2012, 01:36:25 PM »
It really has to be either much cheaper or much better than 24-105. The third option is 24-105's end of life and price and IQ of 24-70 f4 on the same level as 24-105. If the last option would be true, then many people would hate Canon even more and finally found a reason to switch to N.

Sure I'd be pissed - I use the long end of the 24-105mm often. While the difference in the long end between the Canon 24-105mm and the Nikon 24-120mm is small, the difference between 70mm and 120mm isn't.

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« Reply #185 on: October 31, 2012, 01:40:41 PM »
guysguysguys, everyone relax!

If this rumor does turn out to be true, it's gotta be a new kit lens for the 6D, most likely in response to Nikon's 24-85 VR. This would make it very light, easy to handle on a lighter FF body, and quite cheap.

I've played with the 24-85 and while I don't think the IQ passes muster, the size and weight are simply superb. It's about the same as my 85/1.8G and handles very very well on a D600, whereas the existing 24-70/2.8 would feel like a front-heavy hog.

Canon is not trying to sway any of you to give up your 24-70/2.8's in favor of this lens, they're just recognizing that the 24-105 isn't the ideal lens for the next generation of entry-level FF bodies. Assuming the IQ doesn't suffer as much as on Nikon's version (and the L designation implies it won't), it'll make a great addition to the Canon lineup. Take it for what it is, not as a replacement for any existing lens, and all will be well, I promise :)

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #186 on: October 31, 2012, 02:12:25 PM »
With the retra range, i'd stick with my 24-105 IS for sure
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #186 on: October 31, 2012, 02:12:25 PM »

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« Reply #187 on: October 31, 2012, 03:26:14 PM »
Gang,

This is a fascinating thread.  I've never seen so many people deadset on what they think this new lens is, and what it means for future offerings.

My ongoing list (from all of you) of what this lens might have been made for (besides making Canon money):

1) Video focused, or perhaps more specifically, a still lens that has been modernized to better support DSLR video (STM)

2) Value focused, an inexpensive L lens in the vein of the 17-40, 70-200 F/4, etc.  There has also been chatter on this point that it might be non-L akin to Nikon's 24-85 or Canon's non-L 28-135 -- a reasonably priced standard zoom option.

3) Form factor focused -- a lighter and shorter lens than the large/heavy 2.8 standard zooms. There were a few comments re: smaller sizer allowing -- much like the 70-200 F/4 glass -- smaller / more common filter diameters than their 2.8 counterparts.

4) The new kit FF lens (either just for the 6D or all FF bodies), and in the vein of the (much cheaper) 18-55 EF-S, this becomes the standard length zoom that no one actually buys by itself.  In that sense, this new lens isn't competing with the higher end 2.8 zooms -- it's just another lens with a red ring out there.  That red ring, some folks astutely noted, may become the tantalizing extra that draws people into FF with Canon's 6D rather than into FF with Nikon's D600.

5) Far better IQ than the 24-105 IS.  This plays part and parcel with the notion that this 'family' of new 24-70s is intended for the upcoming high MP bodies we shall see down the road.

6) This new lens will replace the 24-105, eliminating the 70-105 overlap that current lens has.  This is a deliberate move by Canon to sell more 70-200 glass.  (I have poked a few holes in this theory, but it's as plausible as anything else on this list).

...and it obviously could be a combination of a few of the above points.  Time will tell.

And for those calling this a rumor, this is a CR3, and I have faith in our moderators in that call.  :-)

Excellent discussion, all. 

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« Last Edit: October 31, 2012, 05:50:12 PM by ahsanford »

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #188 on: October 31, 2012, 05:08:34 PM »
guysguysguys, everyone relax!

If this rumor does turn out to be true, it's gotta be a new kit lens for the 6D, most likely in response to Nikon's 24-85 VR. This would make it very light, easy to handle on a lighter FF body, and quite cheap.

I've played with the 24-85 and while I don't think the IQ passes muster, the size and weight are simply superb. It's about the same as my 85/1.8G and handles very very well on a D600, whereas the existing 24-70/2.8 would feel like a front-heavy hog.

Canon is not trying to sway any of you to give up your 24-70/2.8's in favor of this lens, they're just recognizing that the 24-105 isn't the ideal lens for the next generation of entry-level FF bodies. Assuming the IQ doesn't suffer as much as on Nikon's version (and the L designation implies it won't), it'll make a great addition to the Canon lineup. Take it for what it is, not as a replacement for any existing lens, and all will be well, I promise :)

+1 well said

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #189 on: October 31, 2012, 06:47:57 PM »
So many opinions about this ... so called lens! What are we going to do should this rumor turn CR0 suddenly ?  ;D  ;D

Seriously now, CR3 or not, it is still hard to believe it...

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #190 on: October 31, 2012, 07:04:54 PM »
Geez some of you are having ridiculous reactions to this.  A few things to keep in mind before you speak:

1) Just because the lens doesn't seem appealing to you doesn't mean it won't appeal to others. 
2) Someone said why didn't they update this lens or that lens instead.  Just because Canon is releasing this doesn't mean that something else won't get released, they are a giant company, surely they can make more than one lens at a time.

I swear Canon can't release anything without catching a bunch of crap, if they announce something that you don't like just don't buy it and move on. 
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #191 on: October 31, 2012, 07:13:11 PM »
Geez some of you are having ridiculous reactions to this.  A few things to keep in mind before you speak:

1) Just because the lens doesn't seem appealing to you doesn't mean it won't appeal to others. 
2) Someone said why didn't they update this lens or that lens instead.  Just because Canon is releasing this doesn't mean that something else won't get released, they are a giant company, surely they can make more than one lens at a time.

I swear Canon can't release anything without catching a bunch of crap, if they announce something that you don't like just don't buy it and move on.
Feel free to tell us whether you like it or not instead of judging our reactions...
Unless we are not allowed to express our opinions  ::)

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #192 on: October 31, 2012, 07:37:30 PM »
I kind of find this thread to be a bit odd.  It's like walking into an ice cream parlor and hearing patrons complaining that they have vanilla, French vanilla and vanilla with peanut butter. 

Different needs, tastes, budgets.  Really don't see how more options hurt anything, and I doubt that Canon is unable to refresh other lenses because they developed another f/4 zoom.  They will update the 35, 135, etc. when they decide to. 
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #192 on: October 31, 2012, 07:37:30 PM »

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #193 on: October 31, 2012, 08:14:39 PM »
The point I'm trying to make is that if Canon intends to replace or supplement the 24-105 f4L IS (kit) lens with a new 24-70 f4L IS (kit) lens, that in itself won't make a lot of difference to me and, I suspect, probably not to many others who already own the 24-105.

I don't think that owners of the 24-105L are the target market for this lens. It will be mostly for people new to FF, such as 6D purchasers. It will cost less to manufacture than the 24-105 and probably sell for around the same price circa $800-900, I reckon.
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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #194 on: October 31, 2012, 08:27:47 PM »
It really has to be either much cheaper or much better than 24-105. The third option is 24-105's end of life and price and IQ of 24-70 f4 on the same level as 24-105. If the last option would be true, then many people would hate Canon even more and finally found a reason to switch to N.

Sure I'd be pissed - I use the long end of the 24-105mm often. While the difference in the long end between the Canon 24-105mm and the Nikon 24-120mm is small, the difference between 70mm and 120mm isn't.
It isn't logical. A 24-70 f/4L IS is a subset of the 24-105 (We cannot know of IQ and 1stop better IS is no big deal). 24-105 cannot go eol.

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Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS Coming [CR3]
« Reply #194 on: October 31, 2012, 08:27:47 PM »