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Re: Official DXOMark Sensor Score for the EOS-1D X
« Reply #45 on: October 31, 2012, 05:26:31 PM »
Forget the scores.

I shot all of these college football photos at ISO 8,000, f/2.8, 1/1,250 sec on my 1DX.
http://www.herald-dispatch.com/multimedia/galleries/musports/x746103246/Gallery-Marshall-vs-UCF-game-action

High school stadiums are usually much worse. The night shots in this gallery were at ISO 16,000, 1/640-1/800 sec, f/2.8.
http://www.herald-dispatch.com/multimedia/galleries/sports/x1363969376/Gallery-Class-AAA-Region-IV-soccer-championships-at-Cabell-Midland

Sorry about the compression but our website is a little behind the times. Anyway I love the 1DX and everything it does. I don't touch the 1D MK IV anymore but still keep my 5D MK II for wide angles below ISO 3,200.

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Re: Official DXOMark Sensor Score for the EOS-1D X
« Reply #45 on: October 31, 2012, 05:26:31 PM »

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Re: Official DXOMark Sensor Score for the EOS-1D X
« Reply #46 on: October 31, 2012, 05:39:41 PM »
Forget the scores.

I shot all of these college football photos at ISO 8,000, f/2.8, 1/1,250 sec on my 1DX.
http://www.herald-dispatch.com/multimedia/galleries/musports/x746103246/Gallery-Marshall-vs-UCF-game-action

High school stadiums are usually much worse. The night shots in this gallery were at ISO 16,000, 1/640-1/800 sec, f/2.8.
http://www.herald-dispatch.com/multimedia/galleries/sports/x1363969376/Gallery-Class-AAA-Region-IV-soccer-championships-at-Cabell-Midland

Sorry about the compression but our website is a little behind the times. Anyway I love the 1DX and everything it does. I don't touch the 1D MK IV anymore but still keep my 5D MK II for wide angles below ISO 3,200.

Lol, how can we forget the scores when that seems to be the only thing that matters?  Nice shots, what lens were you using? 
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Re: Official DXOMark Sensor Score for the EOS-1D X
« Reply #47 on: October 31, 2012, 05:41:45 PM »
at 500 px even my old casio looks good.  ;)

it´s not that it´s not good enough.. it´s normal to want the BEST for your money.

so you see what you pay and you see the DXO score.... and then you look at nikon.

of course the DXO score does not tell you about the whole camera... just the sensor.

You're preachin to the choir here... but some people don't want to listen.
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Re: Official DXOMark Sensor Score for the EOS-1D X
« Reply #48 on: October 31, 2012, 06:37:56 PM »
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to down Nikon or Sony.  They make great sensors!  I also like Nikon's EC during auto ISO in full manual mode.  But overall, the sensor is only a fraction of the camera.  Why then, can I shoot at much higher ISO's and print 8 x 10's with minimal NR, at ISO 25,600 with the 1DX and I cannot do that with a D4?  Why?  That is all I'd like to know.  In this regard, the DxO score means nothing to me at all and I go with whatever works in the field, which in this case the ONLY choice I have to do so is the 1DX.  If the D4 and D800 sensors are better, who the hell cares if they don't produce shots and I have to pack up and go home in the 4th quarter?

BUT BUT, here I thought you could underexpose those shots with Nikon at lower ISO and push them back up in the post! ;)

Sorry, could not resist this time - no offence meant to Nikon people with this - both Japanese camera companies are good.

Bottom line being that different photography areas require different kind of things from the sensor.

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Re: Official DXOMark Sensor Score for the EOS-1D X
« Reply #49 on: October 31, 2012, 06:51:19 PM »
guys, is anyone disappointed with score would like to exchange your 1dx or hassy to some superior camera like nikon d7100? with additional charge from your side, of course  :P
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Re: Official DXOMark Sensor Score for the EOS-1D X
« Reply #50 on: October 31, 2012, 06:56:17 PM »
Sorry to get such a rise out of you guys.  ;)

It's strange to me how different stills people are vs. video people. Many video people are company agnostic for the most part. They tend to just go with what is the best camera out (probably because many use manual lenses so the investment in one company isn't quite as heavy). Stills people are ardent defenders of the faith. You are either Canon or Nikon, and you guys will defend your company to death. Saying something bad about Canon (or Nikon on the "other" site) is like insulting your mother, or probably worse.
Video people may be new to DSLRs. They used to use other king of equipment totally different form DSLRs. Stills people are more probably coming from the analog era or early digital so they had much time to get acquainted with their equipment and learned to appreciate its capabilities. Other than that I cannot think of any other reason...

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Re: Official DXOMark Sensor Score for the EOS-1D X
« Reply #51 on: October 31, 2012, 07:16:09 PM »
Sometimes it feels like, even though it's not the case, DxO Mark gives somewhat of a "boost" to the Nikon results. Like on of the posts on here said, the images are scaled down to 8 MP, so that could be why.

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Re: Official DXOMark Sensor Score for the EOS-1D X
« Reply #51 on: October 31, 2012, 07:16:09 PM »

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Re: Official DXOMark Sensor Score for the EOS-1D X
« Reply #52 on: October 31, 2012, 08:37:35 PM »
Who cares. Most of the people buying these will never use them to their full potential. They'll shoot their grand kids at a school play and their dog and some family outings.

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Re: Official DXOMark Sensor Score for the EOS-1D X
« Reply #53 on: October 31, 2012, 09:00:55 PM »
I am so disappointed. If I had a Canon camera with such a low DxO score I wouldn't be able to sleep. Oh wait I have a 5DII and a 5DIII  :o

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Re: Official DXOMark Sensor Score for the EOS-1D X
« Reply #54 on: October 31, 2012, 09:02:34 PM »
For anyone wondering why they waited nearly a month after adding 1D X sensor support to DxO Optical Pro to release the 1D X scores, I'd guess it's because they knew there'd be a bit of buzz around these results, and they wanted to drive traffic to their sites now that DxO Optics Pro 8 has just been released. 

How can they rate the D800 better at high ISO noise?

Because the Sports/Low Light Score is based on images downsampled to 8 MP, and when you downsample a 36 MP image to 8 MP, you average out more noise than when you downsample an 18 MP image to 8 MP.

And thus the problem with using downsampled images as the sole source of DXO scores. BOTH downsampled and native results need to be factored into DXO's results so things don't get so skewed.

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Re: Official DXOMark Sensor Score for the EOS-1D X
« Reply #55 on: November 01, 2012, 01:22:55 AM »
So would you want a camera that has better DR, or one that has better AF, ISO & FPS?

If you had a camera that had the DR of the human eye but only shot one frame every 10 minutes at ISO 100 only and was only manual focus... I would put a second mortgage on my house to buy it.  This is doubly true if it came in at 30-40Mp and also had incredible color reproduction.

BUT... that's just me... as a landscape photographer.  I certainly wouldn't get on a forum and suggest that everyone in the world would want a camera like that...

Many people have many different needs in photography.  Study the DXO measurements and take them for what they are: measurements.  Taken together with many other reviews and tests they can help people make decisions _for themselves_ about what cameras best suit their needs....

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Re: Official DXOMark Sensor Score for the EOS-1D X
« Reply #56 on: November 01, 2012, 01:33:09 AM »

Well that's exactly the problem my friend, their score system isn't about the whole picture of the sensor, but that's what gets  advertised. But hey, they say it themselves : "DxOMark is the trusted industry standard for camera and lens independent image quality measurements and ratings". So we should trust their ratings!

You call yourself a lab, then give me QE vs wavelength as standard, read noise and Full capacity well at different ISO, and SNR at different illumination and ISO and stop advertising camera's sensor with a meaningless score... Well maybe that's just me and my physics anyway...
Please no familiarities here – this is at least impolite not to say more)))
As for DXO – we are not discussing what they are claiming themselves – just results of their measurements.
And forget about SCORES  - when you see at measurement curves you need to “FEEL” sensor performance across different conditions the same way as you “feel” image histogram in the camera or image processing S/W.
Do you give this histogram any scores to better work with the image?
If you are telling that you studying physics – think of Fourier or Laplace transforms that give you information about physical process in other domains/dimensions   which helps better understand the properties of the process and work with it.
 And I do not see any point discussing this further

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Re: Official DXOMark Sensor Score for the EOS-1D X
« Reply #57 on: November 01, 2012, 02:03:53 AM »
Actually, Nikon can start (re)naming their cameras as DXO4, DXO800 etc.

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Re: Official DXOMark Sensor Score for the EOS-1D X
« Reply #57 on: November 01, 2012, 02:03:53 AM »

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« Reply #58 on: November 01, 2012, 03:29:31 AM »
Does anyone know how many points the weather sealing is in the score?

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Re: Official DXOMark Sensor Score for the EOS-1D X
« Reply #59 on: November 01, 2012, 05:35:35 AM »
If you had a camera that had the DR of the human eye but only shot one frame every 10 minutes at ISO 100 only and was only manual focus...
I've read in a book of a Russian author (not sure if it was translated to English) that human eye has 5-6 stops of DR. And the reason we can see much bigger range of lightness levels is the ability of our eyes to adapt to the rapidly changing environment.

The book's author was a researcher in photography so this statement might be true. Did anyone hear anything like that?
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Re: Official DXOMark Sensor Score for the EOS-1D X
« Reply #59 on: November 01, 2012, 05:35:35 AM »