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Canon 24-70 II Or Primes Particularly 50MM 1.2L
« on: November 03, 2012, 05:17:53 AM »
hi,

i'm thinking of getting 24-70 l ii but i'm reeading pretty much mixed reviews on it.

Right now, I have 24, 35 and 85. I may sell the 24 just to get the 24-70 ii. Or I might just use the money to buy the 50....

any advise? Should I sell the 24 and get the 24-70 ii or should I just complete the set with 50 1.2. As of the moment, I don't have any standard zoom lens, I could live without one but if the 24-70 ii is that  nice, then I'd rather get that...

would appreciate your advise.

also, is it easy to correct distortion of 24-70 ii?

Thanks!
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Re: Canon 24-70 II Or Primes Particularly 50MM 1.2L
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2012, 06:46:31 AM »
The 50 1.2 is a very useful lens specially in low light, but the 24-70 or the 24-105 would be also nice to have. It looks you might need a zoom unless you do no mind changing lenses. On the other side, prime lenses are a little bit more sharp.

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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2012, 07:01:38 AM »
I also have read the reviews. Yesterday I got the Canon 24-70mm II and the Tamron 24-70mm VC at once to be tested against my Sigma 24-70mm HSM:

The Sigma is the worst, particularly at 70mm. The Tamron also is unuseable below F8 at 70mm, IMHO. I would estimate only two F-stops efficiency for the stabilizer of the Tamron at 70mm. May be more with shorter FL, but I haven't tested this. The TDP test results of the Tamron at 70mm is exactly what I discovered with my sample.

Unfortunately, the long focal end of the Canon is comparably short, I guess 62mm.

In summary, I am overwhelmed by the IQ of the Canon, based on the reviews I have not expected this. The difference between the Tamron and Canon is much more than the PZ test implies.
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Re: Canon 24-70 II Or Primes Particularly 50MM 1.2L
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2012, 07:21:55 AM »
Here is a real-life, side by side comparison of 50 1.2 vs 24-70 II (@ 55 mm, close enough I hope)



_DXR1373 by PVC 2012, on Flickr

Camera   Canon EOS-1D X
Exposure   0.001 sec (1/1250)
Aperture   f/2.0
Focal Length   50 mm (50/1.2L)
ISO Speed   2500


And here is similar shot @ 55 MM with the 24-70 II, settings not exactly the same but real-life example

Camera   Canon EOS-1D X
Exposure   0.001 sec (1/2000)
Aperture   f/2.8
Focal Length   55 mm
ISO Speed   6400


_DXR1443 by PVC 2012, on Flickr
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Re: Canon 24-70 II Or Primes Particularly 50MM 1.2L
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2012, 08:13:43 AM »
I have the 24L and 50L, no zoom can touch them IMO, plus the bokeh of each is wonderful.

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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2012, 08:38:03 AM »
Here is a real-life, side by side comparison of 50 1.2 vs 24-70 II (@ 55 mm, close enough I hope)



_DXR1373 by PVC 2012, on Flickr

Camera   Canon EOS-1D X
Exposure   0.001 sec (1/1250)
Aperture   f/2.0
Focal Length   50 mm (50/1.2L)
ISO Speed   2500


And here is similar shot @ 55 MM with the 24-70 II, settings not exactly the same but real-life example

Camera   Canon EOS-1D X
Exposure   0.001 sec (1/2000)
Aperture   f/2.8
Focal Length   55 mm
ISO Speed   6400


_DXR1443 by PVC 2012, on Flickr

Definitely prefer the shot from the 50mm f1.2 - apart from having better lighting, it also seems to be a 'cleaner' image.

grassbl8d

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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2012, 09:18:43 AM »
oh wow

50 l looks better... still hard to decide though given the different reviews

thanks for the replies


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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2012, 09:19:01 AM »
On the fence about this one myself.  I do have the 24-105mm as a standard zoom, as well as 35L and 85L II primes.  I'm leaning towards the camp that indoors f/2.8 is often not enough, so I'm inclined toward the 50L.  We'll see...
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Re: Canon 24-70 II Or Primes Particularly 50MM 1.2L
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2012, 09:52:42 AM »
I'm in the same boat. I recently purchased the 24-105L and going to pair with with my 50L. It will be my GP kit.

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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2012, 11:24:59 AM »
I sold my 50 f1.4 after my 24-70 II arrived. This lens now my favorite for indoor.

This lens is sharp, however, it does have little vignetting @ 24mm. I have tried two different copies from Crutchfield. Both lenses seem to have same sharpness and same vignetting. Here is my latest picture with 24-70 II. Distortion can be fixed in LR with 1 click.

I'll add 50L to my kit for creamy background shots. I'M KEEPING MY 24-70 II.
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Re: Canon 24-70 II Or Primes Particularly 50MM 1.2L
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2012, 11:27:03 AM »
I have the 24L and 50L, no zoom can touch them IMO, plus the bokeh of each is wonderful.

You might have different POV if you try new 24-70 ;)
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Re: Canon 24-70 II Or Primes Particularly 50MM 1.2L
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2012, 11:42:38 AM »
On the fence about this one myself.  I do have the 24-105mm as a standard zoom, as well as 35L and 85L II primes.  I'm leaning towards the camp that indoors f/2.8 is often not enough, so I'm inclined toward the 50L.  We'll see...

Neuro...I think this lens is well worth for you to give it a try. I have a feeling you going to sell your 24-105 ;)

I don't even do AFMA on new 24-70 II. Here is another shot at Parking lot Trunk & Treat, Pre-school.
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Re: Canon 24-70 II Or Primes Particularly 50MM 1.2L
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2012, 12:20:32 PM »
How much are you planning on shooting between f1.2-2?  If a lot then the answer is easy. If not much get the zoom.

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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2012, 12:28:07 PM »
I have the 24L and 50L, no zoom can touch them IMO, plus the bokeh of each is wonderful.

Have you used the 24-70 II?  I compared it with the 24LII at 24mm and the 24-70II is definitely sharper (although the distortion is controlled much better on the 24L).  The 24-70II is also sharper than the 50L.  Of course sharpness isn't everything, the bokeh is much better on the primes, but the 24-70II is one sharp zoom.
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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2012, 01:06:51 PM »
Neuro...I think this lens is well worth for you to give it a try. I have a feeling you going to sell your 24-105

I'm sure I'd like the 24-70 II, in fact, I had planned to get it next.  But I've been doing a bit of shooting indoors in the evenings with the 35L and 85L II, and I'm usually around f/2 and high ISO (6400 and up), and for many of the shots the 35L is too wide and the 85L too long.  The 24-70 II would be convenient, I'm just not sure it's fast enough.  If I need to use the 600EX-RT, f/4 would work, too.

Eventually, I'll likely have both the 50L and the 24-70 II, it's just a matter of sequence.  The 50L may be more useful in fall/winter indoors. 

The other 'problem' with the 24-70mm range is that I use 105mm a lot:
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