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Amazon.co.uk's D800 price is killing me!!!
« on: November 03, 2012, 10:27:08 AM »
[Here in the UK, we have to pay at least 20% more than in the USA (VAT), so please bear this in mind when I quote prices]

I really want a 5D MkIII and if the D800 were the same price, I would buy the Canon.  The problem for me is that the D800 is still very tempting and its price on the aforementioned website is £1907.64, compared to £2339.00 for the 5D MkIII (@ Camera World).  In fact the Canon is priced identically to the 'premium' D800e! The disparity in prices would go a long way to offsetting the cost of switching lenses...

I'm really not looking to start yet another 5D MkIII versus D800 debate, I just want some consolation  :'(

Please Canon, drop your price to match the D800 and my decision would be simple!!!

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Re: Amazon.co.uk's D800 price is killing me!!!
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2012, 11:13:56 AM »
[Here in the UK, we have to pay at least 20% more than in the USA (VAT), so please bear this in mind when I quote prices]

I really want a 5D MkIII and if the D800 were the same price, I would buy the Canon.  The problem for me is that the D800 is still very tempting and its price on the aforementioned website is £1907.64, compared to £2339.00 for the 5D MkIII (@ Camera World).  In fact the Canon is priced identically to the 'premium' D800e! The disparity in prices would go a long way to offsetting the cost of switching lenses...

I'm really not looking to start yet another 5D MkIII versus D800 debate, I just want some consolation  :'(

Please Canon, drop your price to match the D800 and my decision would be simple!!!

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Re: Amazon.co.uk's D800 price is killing me!!!
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2012, 11:43:28 AM »
You make a valid point, but how many of our purchasing decisions are based upon want rather than necessity?  If this were not the case, I suspect that I'd be living in a mud hut and getting up before dawn to milk the cows (instead of to photograph the dawn) ;)

Besides, I'm not bemoaning the fact these cameras are expensive, just that the Canon is 22.5% more expensive than the equivalent Nikon!

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Re: Amazon.co.uk's D800 price is killing me!!!
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2012, 11:50:28 AM »
in germany the D800 is about 600 euros cheaper then the 5D MK3.

is the 5D MK3 worth 600 euro more? 

in my opinion the answer is a clear: NO
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Re: Amazon.co.uk's D800 price is killing me!!!
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2012, 11:52:35 AM »
Prices of the body only might be deceiving, Nikoon does not come with the software that Canon supplies, and the very large files from the D800 are difficult and time consuming to process.  NR and Brush actions take much longer in LR than they do for the 5D MK III, so you might have to add the price of a new high end computer to the purchase.
Then, there is the lenses.  Nikon does not have a lens with the performance of the 24=105mmL, nor the 135mmL, nor the 100-400mmL, along with a few others.  They have announced a 70-200mm f/4 which will likely be good.
Another much missed fact is that Service can take a month or more (In the USA) while Canon usually takes around a week.
When you add all the prices up, it may not look like a better deal.
 

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Re: Amazon.co.uk's D800 price is killing me!!!
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2012, 11:58:39 AM »
I believe the same pricing is used in all European countries, so there's not much to complain about  :)
Anyway, the main difference between cameras is in our heads, so just decide for yourself whether you need it or not  ;)
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Re: Amazon.co.uk's D800 price is killing me!!!
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2012, 12:11:16 PM »
in germany the D800 is about 600 euros cheaper then the 5D MK3.

is the 5D MK3 worth 600 euro more? 

in my opinion the answer is a clear: NO
Whether one camera is worth more than another is very subjective and depends largelyt on what you shoot. If you look at the cameras in isolation and only shoot non-action, then the 5D MkIII certainly isn't worth 600 Euros more. However, if you also shoot action, then it is less clear cut. For me, the AF, frame rate and build quality, not to mention the fact I am use to Canon ergonomics, have Canon lenses and few other features are worth it. Would i prefer it is it was cheaper? Of course I would, but then I'd also prefer the D800 to be cheaper if I was a Nikon shooter, it's all about perspective and what is important to you as a photographer and consumer.
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Re: Amazon.co.uk's D800 price is killing me!!!
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2012, 12:40:05 PM »
Prices of the body only might be deceiving, Nikoon does not come with the software that Canon supplies,

personally i never even touched it.
so get rid of it, sell the the bodys cheaper and let those who want the software buy it for a little extra.


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Then, there is the lenses.  Nikon does not have a lens with the performance of the 24=105mmL, nor the 135mmL, nor the 100-400mmL, along with a few others

let me play the advocatus diaboli...

where is canon´s 14-24mm?

where is canon´s 200-400mm?

this argumentation is sure not a one way street.
and i guess nikon users have the 70-200mm f4 long before canon users will see a 200-400mm.

and what about the NIKON AF D 135/2,0 DC ?
works well on nikon fullframe cameras.

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Re: Amazon.co.uk's D800 price is killing me!!!
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2012, 01:23:46 PM »
where is canon´s 14-24mm?
where is canon´s 200-400mm?
this argumentation is sure not a one way street.

No, it's not.  Depends on your shooting priorities.  TS-E 17mm and MP-E 65mm on the other side, too.

and what about the NIKON AF D 135/2,0 DC ?
works well on nikon fullframe cameras.

Define 'well'...  That word does not align with this comparison.

The Nikon 24-120mm VR and 80-400mm are also no where near as good as their Canon counterparts.  To me, that's a key point, because while UWA zooms, tilt-shifts, and uber-macro lenses are pretty esoteric, a standard zoom and a long telephoto zoom are two 'anchors' in a typical kit - having higher quality options for those is a big win for Canon. 
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Re: Amazon.co.uk's D800 price is killing me!!!
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2012, 01:27:17 PM »
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Define 'well'...  That word does not align with


one copy tested?

http://www.photozone.de/Reviews/225-nikkor-af-135mm-f2-d-dc-review--test-report?start=2

i read from many former canon users who switched to nikon that the nikkor 135 is as good as the canon model.

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Having used the Canon 135mm F/2 for most of my portrait work, I recently purchased the Nikon D3. With that pruchaes I dusted off lenses I consider to be the best of their class... 17-35mm and 28-70. While excellent lenses in their own class (wide and medium) I needed something that would compare with the Canon 135. A friend suggested that I look at the Nikon 135mm f/2. When I did the reviews I was blown away by the positive feedback.
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Re: Amazon.co.uk's D800 price is killing me!!!
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2012, 01:51:12 PM »
To the original OP, have you considered digitalrev? I know it's tempting me!

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Re: Amazon.co.uk's D800 price is killing me!!!
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2012, 02:44:09 PM »
To the original OP, have you considered digitalrev? I know it's tempting me!

You pay more than the original prize in the UK when customs get their hands on the camera.
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Re: Amazon.co.uk's D800 price is killing me!!!
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2012, 03:02:29 PM »
I believe the same pricing is used in all European countries, so there's not much to complain about  :)
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These are the currently advertised web prices from one of Ireland's leading suppliers, Conns Cameras (http://www.connscameras.ie/)...
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Re: Amazon.co.uk's D800 price is killing me!!!
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2012, 03:27:58 PM »
Just cough up and buy the Canon. I bought mine with the 24-105mm at full price from Jacobs the day after they went into administration and you don't hear me complain (mostly 'cos no one will listen  ::)).

Remember some U.S. states have their own sales tax that isn't shown in the sticker price - it gets added at the checkout.

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Re: Amazon.co.uk's D800 price is killing me!!!
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2012, 03:31:19 PM »
in germany the D800 is about 600 euros cheaper then the 5D MK3.

is the 5D MK3 worth 600 euro more? 

in my opinion the answer is a clear: NO
Whether one camera is worth more than another is very subjective and depends largelyt on what you shoot. If you look at the cameras in isolation and only shoot non-action, then the 5D MkIII certainly isn't worth 600 Euros more. However, if you also shoot action, then it is less clear cut. For me, the AF, frame rate and build quality, not to mention the fact I am use to Canon ergonomics, have Canon lenses and few other features are worth it. Would i prefer it is it was cheaper? Of course I would, but then I'd also prefer the D800 to be cheaper if I was a Nikon shooter, it's all about perspective and what is important to you as a photographer and consumer.

Wow!  Thank you for making this point!  If the D800 was actually designed in the same vain as the mk3, and had the same function then yeah you can make the $600 more no.  But, if you are in fact a working photographer and accept the factt hat a body is a tool then you have to acknowledge that yeah, you can use a screwdriver as a hammer in a pinch, but, a hammer does the job better.  I know the OP said, lets not make this another d800 vs 5d3 thread, but, you really can't open a can of worms and still open the can of worms. 

in whatever currency you use, is the price of a mk3 worth it?  Like Kernuak said, the only reasonable answer is --- "subjective and depends largely on what you shoot."  The d800 is strongest in the lower ISO range, in the studio it's a beast, and if you shoot landscapes and print big, then yeah, it's obviously a better choice (unless you shoot architecture, where the controls on tilt shift lenses are blocked by the protrusion of the built in flash).  The mk3 shines in the higher ISO's, which is preferable to sports , wedding, and event shooters.  the mk3 has a larger buffer, which yeah, only matters subjectively.  If you shoot sports or weddings, a larger buffer is a good thing, no landscape photographer is worried about that though, nor would frame rate really be a concern - so yes----it's subjective.  file size is another issue - if you shoot weddings, even if you have a computer that can handle the workflow - you need more memory cards, and more backup storage.  IMO - the d800 can do pretty well in low light, so it could be an attractive camera for wedding work, if you had multiple RAW file sizes to choose from (like how canon offers Raw, mRAW, and sRAW.  Yeah you can set it crop mode, but whats the point of having a FF body if you have to shoot cropped just to reduce the file size/resolution?  But back to the point, this is a subjective need.  Again, the d800 is more of a studio camera.  You aren't shooting as much in the studio as you do at a typical wedding. 


Just some food for thought! 
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