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Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #90 on: November 05, 2012, 03:06:16 PM »
I decided to buy the 24-105mm used today because of this announcement. I think the extra reach is worth it and I think we are all waiting for the 24-70mm f2.8L IS anyway. When that comes out, my 24-105mm f4L won't feel completely redundant.

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« Reply #90 on: November 05, 2012, 03:06:16 PM »

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« Reply #91 on: November 05, 2012, 03:10:00 PM »
it is dubbed hybrid is just because the lens is almost a macro (0.7 macro factor...wow)
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« Reply #92 on: November 05, 2012, 03:14:54 PM »
it is dubbed hybrid is just because the lens is almost a macro (0.7 macro factor...wow)

Agree agree agree.  That's the only arrow in the quiver (along with better IQ, to be fair) that might justify this $1800 price from the translation.

I'm probably in the minority here that I'm more likely to bring my relatively small and light 100L macro over my 70-200 F/2.8L IS II on trips.  So if this magnification is true, this could become an epic kill-two-birds-with-one-not-so-big-or-heavy-stone sort of lens for travel.

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« Reply #93 on: November 05, 2012, 03:37:03 PM »
it is dubbed hybrid is just because the lens is almost a macro (0.7 macro factor...wow)


Agree agree agree.  That's the only arrow in the quiver (along with better IQ, to be fair) that might justify this $1800 price from the translation.

I'm probably in the minority here that I'm more likely to bring my relatively small and light 100L macro over my 70-200 F/2.8L IS II on trips.  So if this magnification is true, this could become an epic kill-two-birds-with-one-not-so-big-or-heavy-stone sort of lens for travel.


You are both wrong.
Hybrid IS means it compensates for two types of camera/lens movement.

Read here:
http://www.canon.com/news/2009/jul22e.html

It is for angle shake and shift shake.

It is ideal for recording handheld video.

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« Reply #94 on: November 05, 2012, 03:41:27 PM »
The rumored 35mm looks potentially amazing for aps-c cameras.  I can't think of much better for hand holding in low light based on the description alone.  Equivalent to a 56mm f/2.0 prime with 4 stops of image stabalization on a full frame camera. 

It'll be interesting to see how it performs (if it exists) and how much it'll cost.

Based on the prices of the 24mm IS and 28mm IS the thing will probably cost at least as much as the top end EF-S mid-range zooms (if that means anything to all you full-frame types out there).  Time will tell.

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Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #95 on: November 05, 2012, 04:28:11 PM »
It does look very small tho... small and lightweight? Discontinuation of the 24-105mm?

That thought did cross my mind also...

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« Reply #96 on: November 05, 2012, 04:37:15 PM »
On the other hand, Canon might replace the 35mm f/1.4 L with a 35mm f/1.2 L, and make even more people happy.

I always thought I'd never would replace my 35L, when, and if, a 35LII came out, but if it's a 1.2 that might sway me.
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« Reply #96 on: November 05, 2012, 04:37:15 PM »

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« Reply #97 on: November 05, 2012, 04:38:43 PM »
Equivalent to a 56mm f/2.0 prime with 4 stops of image stabalization on a full frame camera. 

Closer to a 56mm f3.2.

I agree that 35mm is a nice focal length for APS-C (and for FF, too). But if this lens is $800-$1200, as expected, will it be worth the one-stop advantage in speed (and likely slightly better IS) over the 17-55mm f2.8 IS, which is the king of the crop for APS-C?

What I'd really love to see is something like Nikon's amazing 35mm f1.8 or sigma's 30mm f1.4 (except better optically and cheaper, even if it means slower speed). The 50mm f1.8 is fine for APS-C, but it is a much harder focal length to use well because it is so subtle and elegant.

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« Reply #98 on: November 05, 2012, 04:40:41 PM »
Am I the only one who is actually excited about this lens? The macro bit is what sold me. Provided this new lens has nice IQ and reasonable price (which by all means it should), It can effectively provide a small and light replacement for my 100L macro and 15-85. Paired with a 10-22 or 17-40, it seems like an excellent and versatile lens for travel photography and macro work.
Yes, a Zoom Macro, with a 0.7 magnification.  Thats why it has Hybrid IS. 
Looking at their prices, I'd say they equate to
24-70 f/4L   -   $1300
35mm f/2 IS -  $900
Thats about what I'd expect, +/- $100.

With a tube it might hit 1:1, or beyond?
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« Reply #99 on: November 05, 2012, 04:42:13 PM »
Theres still no official price, but only speculation, so its too early to panic, but even if pricing tag 1300£< , theres one more good option Tamron 24-70mm f2.8 VC. Video took me in to the DSLR 3 years ago, not photo, but after some time photography took place in my hobby at same level.

Canon 24-70mm f4
+ macro capability (I was really considering 100mm f2.8 macro before)
+ 600g (tamron 825g)
+ weather proof and build quality (tamron only dust)
+ hybrid stabilization (good not only for macro option, but also video, thats for me 1st priority)
+ focus and zoom ring should be much better for manual use.

- f/4
- if! high price tag

~ and image quality still under the question
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Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #100 on: November 05, 2012, 04:45:50 PM »
Really is a ho-hum announcement...  But upgrading the low-end stuff is good too.  I was hoping for a bad-ass 50mm though  :-(
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« Reply #101 on: November 05, 2012, 04:54:36 PM »
Thought that was the 135 f/2 IS for a sec...

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« Reply #102 on: November 05, 2012, 05:05:48 PM »
Why are people dissing on the 35 f/2 IS USM? This is the lens I have wished for the most.  An updated 35 f/2. I really like my 35 f/2 and it is my most used lens on APS-C.  The focal length is great and the image quality is stellar for the price.  It's only real downsides were the noise and the poor full frame corner performance. I use mine on my 5d by the way, and i don't hate it, but it could definately use some improvement.  Hopefully these are the things that are fixed. 

As far as it being only a stop faster than the 17-55, f2.8 doesn't cut it for low light, no flash on APS-C when people are involved.  That extra stop makes a world of difference.

It will probably rival the L in everything but the extra stop.  The L will probably retain only slightly higher center sharpness.   

It was kind of ridiculous for canon not to have a good modern consumer prime in the 35mm focal length.  I'm glad they finally got around to upgrading. Hope the prices aren't too ridiculous. Hopefully that new sigma will give it a run and bring the prices down. I was really excited about it until this announcement.

I'll wait for the data though, and then probably until canon knocks $150 off the price like they did on the 24 and 28, before I buy it.

Oh, and I forgot to mention that the consumer 35 is a hell of a lot more discreet than the L.
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Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« Reply #102 on: November 05, 2012, 05:05:48 PM »

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« Reply #103 on: November 05, 2012, 05:23:16 PM »
both lenses are completely off the mark.

35/2.0 is in need of a succssor, but like the current one it should really have been a low-cost, decent IQ lens, rather than unnecessary IS at the price of an L lens.  A modern 50/1.4 Mk. II  with IQ at least equivalent to the Nikon AF-S 50/1.4 at the same price would have been far more urgent.

24-70 is a total mess. Ridiculous that the 2.8 did not come with IS on top of the excellent IQ.
Instead of the 14-70/4 Canon should have improved the 24-105 and extended it to 24-120/4.0 IS - with better IQ than Nikon but at the same price.

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« Reply #104 on: November 05, 2012, 05:33:07 PM »
Canon states:

In macro photography, shift camera shake and angle camera shake affect both the image formed on the sensor and the image shown in the viewfinder. This is especially relevant to handheld shooting at 1x, since the inability to properly compose and focus due to a shaky image in the viewfinder makes it extremely difficult to record sharp images.
Conventional image stabilizers of the type found in Canon IS lenses incorporate a vibration gyro (angular velocity sensor) to compensate for angle camera shake. Based on the amount of camera shake detected by the sensor, the IS system calculates the amount of shake on the image plane. Lens elements in the IS are then positioned to compensate for the camera shake. However, this type of image stabilizer can neither detect nor correct shift camera shake common to handheld macro photography.

The Hybrid IS includes an acceleration sensor in addition to the conventional vibration gyro (angular velocity sensor). Based on the amount of camera shake detected by the two sensors, a newly developed algorithm calculates the amount of shake on the image plane. Lens elements in the IS are then positioned to compensate for the two types of camera shake — a first in an interchangeable lens for SLR cameras and an excellent way to solve the problem of camera shake in macro photography.
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